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Does this pertain specifically to facial recognition or does this also include other biometric markers? If solely facial recognition, then this means jack shit,

Does this pertain specifically to facial recognition or does this also include other biometric markers? If solely facial recognition, then this means jack shit, as people will be identified with other measurements.

vuln 7y ago
You’re 100% correct banning facial recognition means jack shit. I guess it’s a start though. Chinese ‘gait recognition’ tech IDs people by how they walk https://apnews.com/bf75dd1c26c947b7826d270a16e2658a https://apnews.com/bf75dd1c26c947b7826d270a16e2658a
- ardy42 7y ago
  > Chinese ‘gait recognition’ tech IDs people by how they walk https://apnews.com/bf75dd1c26c947b7826d270a16e2658a https://apnews.com/bf75dd1c26c947b7826d270a16e2658a An ex-CIA disguise specialist said that you can change your gait by putting a pebble in your shoe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JASUsVY5YJ8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JASUsVY5YJ8 Her comments were targeting human recognition, and I speculate that one of the reasons she was allowed to share her disguise techniques is that maybe they're ineffective against automated facial recognition and therefore obsolete.
- trhway 7y ago
  so, one has to be on a scooter and inside a half transparent balloon. Almost like haut-women of Cetaganda. Naturally it was allowed only for that higher caste.
  - hanniabu 7y ago
    Just wait for the scooter recognition technology...
- bsenftner 7y ago
  And bad journalism gets repeated: 'gait recognition' is fraud now, it was something until proved to be unreliable and easily defeated several years ago. nobody peddling gait recognition is taken seriously - it is almost a line in the sand for technical idiots trying to cash in, not actual members of the security industry, just tech opportunists.
  - simplify 7y ago
    Easily defeated if you make the effort. Do you want a world where we have to consciously change our gait to "easily defeat" the recognition AI? If not, then it should be banned too.
    - bsenftner 7y ago
      All one needs is different pairs of shoes worn on different days.
pabs3 7y ago
Indeed, Schneier covered this in this essay: https://www.schneier.com/essays/archives/2020/01/were_banning_facial_.html https://www.schneier.com/essays/archives/2020/01/were_bannin...
tictok4 7y ago
How about just stop tracking people! We aren't prisoners don't treat us as such.
- OrgNet 7y ago
  We need to start tracking government officials... then maybe things will change.
  - raxxorrax 7y ago
    Indeed, since public officials are actually accountable for the things they do, not the other way around. I would be cautious though, because many people just wouldn't want to become public servants anymore.
    - Nasrudith 7y ago
      If they don't want to be tracked performing their job responsibilities I think we don't want them as public servants so good. Power comes with responsibility is a good system.
OrgNet 7y ago
It doesn't mean jack shit... it's a start that can be improved upon.

vuln 7y ago

You’re 100% correct banning facial recognition means jack shit. I guess it’s a start though. Chinese ‘gait recognition’ tech IDs people by how they walk https://apnews.com/bf75dd1c26c947b7826d270a16e2658a https://apnews.com/bf75dd1c26c947b7826d270a16e2658a

ardy42 7y ago
> Chinese ‘gait recognition’ tech IDs people by how they walk https://apnews.com/bf75dd1c26c947b7826d270a16e2658a https://apnews.com/bf75dd1c26c947b7826d270a16e2658a An ex-CIA disguise specialist said that you can change your gait by putting a pebble in your shoe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JASUsVY5YJ8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JASUsVY5YJ8 Her comments were targeting human recognition, and I speculate that one of the reasons she was allowed to share her disguise techniques is that maybe they're ineffective against automated facial recognition and therefore obsolete.
trhway 7y ago
so, one has to be on a scooter and inside a half transparent balloon. Almost like haut-women of Cetaganda. Naturally it was allowed only for that higher caste.
- hanniabu 7y ago
  Just wait for the scooter recognition technology...
bsenftner 7y ago
And bad journalism gets repeated: 'gait recognition' is fraud now, it was something until proved to be unreliable and easily defeated several years ago. nobody peddling gait recognition is taken seriously - it is almost a line in the sand for technical idiots trying to cash in, not actual members of the security industry, just tech opportunists.
- simplify 7y ago
  Easily defeated if you make the effort. Do you want a world where we have to consciously change our gait to "easily defeat" the recognition AI? If not, then it should be banned too.
  - bsenftner 7y ago
    All one needs is different pairs of shoes worn on different days.

pabs3 7y ago

Indeed, Schneier covered this in this essay: https://www.schneier.com/essays/archives/2020/01/were_banning_facial_.html https://www.schneier.com/essays/archives/2020/01/were_bannin...

tictok4 7y ago

How about just stop tracking people! We aren't prisoners don't treat us as such.

OrgNet 7y ago
We need to start tracking government officials... then maybe things will change.
- raxxorrax 7y ago
  Indeed, since public officials are actually accountable for the things they do, not the other way around. I would be cautious though, because many people just wouldn't want to become public servants anymore.
  - Nasrudith 7y ago
    If they don't want to be tracked performing their job responsibilities I think we don't want them as public servants so good. Power comes with responsibility is a good system.

OrgNet 7y ago

It doesn't mean jack shit... it's a start that can be improved upon.