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I too have a soft spot for Object Pascal but > Getting object-pascal back into universities and education is very important. Not just for Delphi as a product a

by oefrha 7y ago

I too have a soft spot for Object Pascal but > Getting object-pascal back into universities and education is very important. Not just for Delphi as a product and Embarcadero as a company, but to ensure that the next generation of software developers are given a firm grasp on fundamental programming concepts; concepts that represent the building-blocks that all software rests on; a curriculum that has taken heavy damage from the adoption of Java and C# in the early 2K’s. doesn’t sound very convincing. Not a Java fan at all and never used C# since AFAIK it’s mostly used in the Microsoft ecosystem (I heard very good things about it though), but what fundamental concepts can’t be taught in a Java & C# curriculum that can be with Delphi? The article unfortunately doesn’t expand on that.

marcosdumay 7y ago
Sounds like he doesn't want his students to get lost on OOP concepts.
- badsectoracula 7y ago
  Delphi/VCL is heavily OOP though.
  - marcosdumay 7y ago
    Good point. Pascal isn't, but Delphi code is not exactly Pascal.
blub 7y ago
Java and C# are a morass of complexity. There is no job or project where you just use the language Java/C#, you have to pull their immense libraries and frameworks in too. On the other hand Delphi's just Delphi. That's quite refreshing in a world where everything depends on everything else.
- chrisseaton 7y ago
  > There is no job or project where you just use the language Java/C#, you have to pull their immense libraries and frameworks in too. Why do you think this? I regularly write plain Java code, or code using just a couple of simple libraries.
- poloniculmov 7y ago
  >On the other hand Delphi's just Delphi is this true today? Back in the day it was Delphi + JediVCL + JediCL + plus lots of other different components that looked better than bundled ones. Does it have a package manager or you still need to install a bunch of EXEs?
- thu2111 7y ago
  Because most jobs and projects have complex requirements that aren't satisfied by the standard library of ANY language. But that's irrelevant for teaching. The Java/.NET stdlibs are huge. They are more than sufficient to teach basically any of the foundational skills. Then if you want to learn Hibernate or ORMs, no problem, that's only a small extra step.
- GordonS 7y ago
  > Java and C# are a morass of complexity. There is no job or project where you just use the language Java/C#, you have to pull their immense libraries and frameworks in too I used Delphi for years back in the day, and will always have a soft spot for it. But your claims here are simply not true - the .NET standard library is huge, and you can get a lot done without any other packages.
gfs78 7y ago
The move from Pascal to Java made a transition from learning how to program a computer to learning how to build apps using java-like OOP and libraries. Most places where Java is taught don´t teach about computer registers, stack frames, pointers, memory management, etc, and how they work together. Or if they do it they do it superficially.
- oefrha 7y ago
  Last I checked C is still taught in any serious CS curriculum.
  - gfs78 7y ago
    Agree. But in the past it was also taught in no so serious places. Today it does not.
badsectoracula 7y ago
He most likely means manual memory management. Almost everything else from C# and Java you can find on Delphi.

by oefrha 7y ago

marcosdumay 7y ago

Sounds like he doesn't want his students to get lost on OOP concepts.

badsectoracula 7y ago
Delphi/VCL is heavily OOP though.
- marcosdumay 7y ago
  Good point. Pascal isn't, but Delphi code is not exactly Pascal.

blub 7y ago

Java and C# are a morass of complexity. There is no job or project where you just use the language Java/C#, you have to pull their immense libraries and frameworks in too. On the other hand Delphi's just Delphi. That's quite refreshing in a world where everything depends on everything else.

chrisseaton 7y ago
> There is no job or project where you just use the language Java/C#, you have to pull their immense libraries and frameworks in too. Why do you think this? I regularly write plain Java code, or code using just a couple of simple libraries.
poloniculmov 7y ago
>On the other hand Delphi's just Delphi is this true today? Back in the day it was Delphi + JediVCL + JediCL + plus lots of other different components that looked better than bundled ones. Does it have a package manager or you still need to install a bunch of EXEs?
thu2111 7y ago
Because most jobs and projects have complex requirements that aren't satisfied by the standard library of ANY language. But that's irrelevant for teaching. The Java/.NET stdlibs are huge. They are more than sufficient to teach basically any of the foundational skills. Then if you want to learn Hibernate or ORMs, no problem, that's only a small extra step.
GordonS 7y ago
> Java and C# are a morass of complexity. There is no job or project where you just use the language Java/C#, you have to pull their immense libraries and frameworks in too I used Delphi for years back in the day, and will always have a soft spot for it. But your claims here are simply not true - the .NET standard library is huge, and you can get a lot done without any other packages.

gfs78 7y ago

The move from Pascal to Java made a transition from learning how to program a computer to learning how to build apps using java-like OOP and libraries. Most places where Java is taught don´t teach about computer registers, stack frames, pointers, memory management, etc, and how they work together. Or if they do it they do it superficially.

oefrha 7y ago
Last I checked C is still taught in any serious CS curriculum.
- gfs78 7y ago
  Agree. But in the past it was also taught in no so serious places. Today it does not.

badsectoracula 7y ago

He most likely means manual memory management. Almost everything else from C# and Java you can find on Delphi.