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I'm talking about morals, not the law. The issue is that there was an imbalance of power which means one party can push the other one around but not the reverse

I'm talking about morals, not the law. The issue is that there was an imbalance of power which means one party can push the other one around but not the reverse. If The Daily Stormer had made that claim about some unrelated business, it wouldn't suffer any such consequences because that other business wouldn't have any power over it. If only powerful players can punish weak players and people call that "fair", then that's kind of the definition of "might is right". The bar analogy isn't quite the same because there are many other bars so the kicked out customer doesn't suffer much loss. If it's the only bar in town and people really need that service, then it would be morally wrong for the owner to use his power to settle personal disputes. Everybody would be living in fear of being banned and would conform their behavior to his demands. That's why monopolies are often regulated to prevent such abuses of power.

jakelazaroff 7y ago
> The bar analogy isn't quite the same because there are many other bars so the kicked out customer doesn't suffer much loss. But that’s exactly what happened. The Daily Stormer got kicked out of Cloudflare’s bar, and then they found a new one. What’s the issue here?
Dylan16807 7y ago
> imbalance of power > If The Daily Stormer had made that claim about some unrelated business, it wouldn't suffer any such consequences because that other business wouldn't have any power over it. Even if cloudflare was equally sized, they probably would have shut down services over that. Don't misrepresent your business partners if you want them to stay business partners. > If it's the only bar in town and people really need that service It's not the only DDoS protection, and most sites don't need significant DDoS protection.
jrockway 7y ago
I don't think there is any moral conflict in believing that the government shouldn't regulate speech while also not helping people whose speech you disagree with. "Let me help you hand out copies of your newsletter" does not follow from "I don't think you should go to prison for writing that newsletter".

jakelazaroff 7y ago

> The bar analogy isn't quite the same because there are many other bars so the kicked out customer doesn't suffer much loss. But that’s exactly what happened. The Daily Stormer got kicked out of Cloudflare’s bar, and then they found a new one. What’s the issue here?

Dylan16807 7y ago

> imbalance of power > If The Daily Stormer had made that claim about some unrelated business, it wouldn't suffer any such consequences because that other business wouldn't have any power over it. Even if cloudflare was equally sized, they probably would have shut down services over that. Don't misrepresent your business partners if you want them to stay business partners. > If it's the only bar in town and people really need that service It's not the only DDoS protection, and most sites don't need significant DDoS protection.

jrockway 7y ago

I don't think there is any moral conflict in believing that the government shouldn't regulate speech while also not helping people whose speech you disagree with. "Let me help you hand out copies of your newsletter" does not follow from "I don't think you should go to prison for writing that newsletter".