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There's no way this ban will apply to governments though. Just like that right to remove PII, governments are exempt. The article already mentions exceptions fo

There's no way this ban will apply to governments though. Just like that right to remove PII, governments are exempt. The article already mentions exceptions for security.

icebraining 7y ago
Governments aren't exempt from all privacy laws; in fact, just last month the Data Protection Commission in my EU country blocked the police from installing cameras in public places. That said, I can see some countries vetoing such an EU-wide ban if it applied to all law enforcement.
- tinus_hn 7y ago
  At least in the Netherlands there’s the same loophole as in the US: the police can give a camera to a private party, point it to the street and get access to the feed.
  - Mirioron 7y ago
    That doesn't sound like it's compatible with GDPR. In Austria some bar was fined because their security cameras were pointing at the public street: https://edpb.europa.eu/news/national-news/2018/first-austrian-fine-cctv-coverage-summary_en https://edpb.europa.eu/news/national-news/2018/first-austria...
  - antientropic 7y ago
    You're generally not allowed to point a camera at public roads in the Netherlands: https://www.politie.nl/themas/camera-in-beeld.html?sid=05783708-b62a-4a91-a406-4c502e73c9c7#alinea-title-mag-ik-opnamen-maken-van-de-openbare-weg https://www.politie.nl/themas/camera-in-beeld.html?sid=05783...
    - tinus_hn 7y ago
      Not sure how you’re going to hang up a Ring doorbell then. And the police surely doesn’t mind if you ‘accidentally’ capture ‘part of’ public space, as long as you share your images with them.
      - Tomte 7y ago
        If you cannot do it without filming public space, then you don't. Simple as that. (If you've got a garden in front of your house or so, I don't see a problem)
        tinus_hn 7y ago
        Strong words but they don’t mean anything. Reality shows the doorbells are selling and people are not getting arrested.
        Tomte 7y ago
        In my country the municipality does fine people directing surveillance cameras towards the street
        tinus_hn 7y ago
        But do they if it’s not a scary camera but a doorbell instead?
        Tomte 7y ago
        If it is filming, of course. Do you think they are idiots and don't know that smart doorbells exist?
        icebraining 7y ago
        Privacy regulators don't have people patrolling the streets, that doesn't mean they won't act if they get a complaint.
  - krageon 7y ago
    This matches precisely none of the practical experience I've had. The police is the police, they're going to be evil bastards when they can get away with it - but in this case I'd like to see some legislative proof that this is actually true.
- Grumbledour 7y ago
  But state owned institutions can not be fined under the GDPR, which makes it tough to enforce it against government entities.
  - icebraining 7y ago
    The GDPR isn't the only privacy law in the EU.
JohnFen 7y ago
> There's no way this ban will apply to governments though It's a good thing even if it doesn't apply to governments, although it would be even better if it did.

There's no way this ban will apply to governments though. Just like that right to remove PII, governments are exempt. The article already mentions exceptions for security.

icebraining 7y ago

Governments aren't exempt from all privacy laws; in fact, just last month the Data Protection Commission in my EU country blocked the police from installing cameras in public places. That said, I can see some countries vetoing such an EU-wide ban if it applied to all law enforcement.

tinus_hn 7y ago
At least in the Netherlands there’s the same loophole as in the US: the police can give a camera to a private party, point it to the street and get access to the feed.
- Mirioron 7y ago
  That doesn't sound like it's compatible with GDPR. In Austria some bar was fined because their security cameras were pointing at the public street: https://edpb.europa.eu/news/national-news/2018/first-austrian-fine-cctv-coverage-summary_en https://edpb.europa.eu/news/national-news/2018/first-austria...
- antientropic 7y ago
  You're generally not allowed to point a camera at public roads in the Netherlands: https://www.politie.nl/themas/camera-in-beeld.html?sid=05783708-b62a-4a91-a406-4c502e73c9c7#alinea-title-mag-ik-opnamen-maken-van-de-openbare-weg https://www.politie.nl/themas/camera-in-beeld.html?sid=05783...
  - tinus_hn 7y ago
    Not sure how you’re going to hang up a Ring doorbell then. And the police surely doesn’t mind if you ‘accidentally’ capture ‘part of’ public space, as long as you share your images with them.
    - Tomte 7y ago
      If you cannot do it without filming public space, then you don't. Simple as that. (If you've got a garden in front of your house or so, I don't see a problem)
      - tinus_hn 7y ago
        Strong words but they don’t mean anything. Reality shows the doorbells are selling and people are not getting arrested.
        Tomte 7y ago
        In my country the municipality does fine people directing surveillance cameras towards the street
        tinus_hn 7y ago
        But do they if it’s not a scary camera but a doorbell instead?
        Tomte 7y ago
        If it is filming, of course. Do you think they are idiots and don't know that smart doorbells exist?
        icebraining 7y ago
        Privacy regulators don't have people patrolling the streets, that doesn't mean they won't act if they get a complaint.
- krageon 7y ago
  This matches precisely none of the practical experience I've had. The police is the police, they're going to be evil bastards when they can get away with it - but in this case I'd like to see some legislative proof that this is actually true.
Grumbledour 7y ago
But state owned institutions can not be fined under the GDPR, which makes it tough to enforce it against government entities.
- icebraining 7y ago
  The GDPR isn't the only privacy law in the EU.

JohnFen 7y ago

> There's no way this ban will apply to governments though It's a good thing even if it doesn't apply to governments, although it would be even better if it did.