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The West is just better at obfuscating via softer power. What's happening with Epstien's case now? Who in the press will continue to follow that up? Some guy m

The West is just better at obfuscating via softer power. What's happening with Epstien's case now? Who in the press will continue to follow that up? Some guy might try to keep on it, and then get told at the end of the year that he's been cut due to a profit warning or whatever. Who's going to keep on writing about Prince Andrew not being arrested? Different methods but pretty-much the same lack of visibility.

nyolfen 7y ago
bad timing on this one lol: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/01/16/jeffrey-epstein-virgin-islands-lawsuit/%3foutputType=amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2...
- amiga_500 7y ago
  Let's see. Nobody went to jail for 2008, they just stonewalled it.
  - tnel77 7y ago
    Genuine question: what laws were broken in 2008 (assuming you are referencing the ‘Great Recession’)?
  - koheripbal 7y ago
    In fact, people did go to jail. Here's just one example, but there are others... https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/seven-defendants-mortgage-origination-fraud-scheme-indicted-bank-fraud-conspiracy-along-other https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/seven-defendants-mortgage-ori... Also, the CEOs and employees of the banks like Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch in question large portions of their life savings. The CEO of Lehman, for example, lost 50% of his net worth - over 4 Billion dollars. ...and obviously destroyed his reputation. Well deserved, of course, but it's hardly "no punishment". ...the same was true with most if not all senior employees. All of them had large portions of their compensation in equity stock options. I'm, unfortunately, speaking from experience. It's one thing to say the people "responsible" didn't get punished enough - that's true. But most people at these banks definitely suffered, materially.
    - chii 7y ago
      when people argue that they didn't go to jail, i take it to mean that those who were "responsible" didn't suffer "enough". Where enough is taken to mean an eye for an eye. Whether you subscribe to this sort of thinking is up to you - i don't, but the result is that the people who suffered don't feel they've been vindicated nor made whole, and the world has moved on since.
- callalex 7y ago
  Next time please link to your actual content instead of a parasitic ad company skimming off the top.
  - nyolfen 7y ago
    if anyone is the parasite it is me, aggressively adblocking on all devices
MockObject 7y ago
> Who in the press will continue to follow that up? Dr. Oz, today at 1300 hours. "Jeffrey Epstein had burst capillaries in his eyeballs after he died which pathologist tells Dr. Oz suggests he was STRANGLED and did not hang himself" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7894685/The-burst-capillaries-Epsteins-eyeballs-pathologists-say-suggests-murder.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7894685/The-burst-c...
- amiga_500 7y ago
  How does that contradict what I said? Until it's put to trial successfully, with full information and prosecutions of some very, very well known people, they all got away with it.
  - SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
    Come on, you know you're moving the goalposts here. There's a big difference between "no visibility, nobody in the media will talk about it" and "in the media constantly but Epstein's friends don't get prosecuted".
    - zaroth 7y ago
      The difference is much more stark than that. Iran has murdered perhaps a thousand protestors in the last year. [1] > "Verified video footage indicates severe violence was used against protesters, including armed members of security forces shooting from the roof of a justice department building in one city, and from helicopters in another," Bachelet said in a statement. "We have also received footage which appears to show security forces shooting unarmed demonstrators from behind while they were running away, and shooting others directly in the face and vital organs – in other words shooting to kill." There is no equivalency here at all. Iran is a failed and murderous regime. Here’s hoping that Iran’s disastrous response and capitulation in the face of the US killing Suleimani will weaken the Ayatollah enough in the eyes of the people and provoke further rebellion. The Iranian people have incredible potential but they have been choked under the boot of Khamenei for so long. [1] - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-says-iran-may-have-killed-1-000-protesters-n1096666 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-says-iran-may-have-ki...
duxup 7y ago
In the West there's a heck of a lot better chance / freedom to actually continue looking into cases.

nyolfen 7y ago

bad timing on this one lol: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/01/16/jeffrey-epstein-virgin-islands-lawsuit/%3foutputType=amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2...

amiga_500 7y ago
Let's see. Nobody went to jail for 2008, they just stonewalled it.
- tnel77 7y ago
  Genuine question: what laws were broken in 2008 (assuming you are referencing the ‘Great Recession’)?
- koheripbal 7y ago
  In fact, people did go to jail. Here's just one example, but there are others... https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/seven-defendants-mortgage-origination-fraud-scheme-indicted-bank-fraud-conspiracy-along-other https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/seven-defendants-mortgage-ori... Also, the CEOs and employees of the banks like Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch in question large portions of their life savings. The CEO of Lehman, for example, lost 50% of his net worth - over 4 Billion dollars. ...and obviously destroyed his reputation. Well deserved, of course, but it's hardly "no punishment". ...the same was true with most if not all senior employees. All of them had large portions of their compensation in equity stock options. I'm, unfortunately, speaking from experience. It's one thing to say the people "responsible" didn't get punished enough - that's true. But most people at these banks definitely suffered, materially.
  - chii 7y ago
    when people argue that they didn't go to jail, i take it to mean that those who were "responsible" didn't suffer "enough". Where enough is taken to mean an eye for an eye. Whether you subscribe to this sort of thinking is up to you - i don't, but the result is that the people who suffered don't feel they've been vindicated nor made whole, and the world has moved on since.
callalex 7y ago
Next time please link to your actual content instead of a parasitic ad company skimming off the top.
- nyolfen 7y ago
  if anyone is the parasite it is me, aggressively adblocking on all devices

MockObject 7y ago

> Who in the press will continue to follow that up? Dr. Oz, today at 1300 hours. "Jeffrey Epstein had burst capillaries in his eyeballs after he died which pathologist tells Dr. Oz suggests he was STRANGLED and did not hang himself" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7894685/The-burst-capillaries-Epsteins-eyeballs-pathologists-say-suggests-murder.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7894685/The-burst-c...

amiga_500 7y ago
How does that contradict what I said? Until it's put to trial successfully, with full information and prosecutions of some very, very well known people, they all got away with it.
- SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
  Come on, you know you're moving the goalposts here. There's a big difference between "no visibility, nobody in the media will talk about it" and "in the media constantly but Epstein's friends don't get prosecuted".
  - zaroth 7y ago
    The difference is much more stark than that. Iran has murdered perhaps a thousand protestors in the last year. [1] > "Verified video footage indicates severe violence was used against protesters, including armed members of security forces shooting from the roof of a justice department building in one city, and from helicopters in another," Bachelet said in a statement. "We have also received footage which appears to show security forces shooting unarmed demonstrators from behind while they were running away, and shooting others directly in the face and vital organs – in other words shooting to kill." There is no equivalency here at all. Iran is a failed and murderous regime. Here’s hoping that Iran’s disastrous response and capitulation in the face of the US killing Suleimani will weaken the Ayatollah enough in the eyes of the people and provoke further rebellion. The Iranian people have incredible potential but they have been choked under the boot of Khamenei for so long. [1] - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-says-iran-may-have-killed-1-000-protesters-n1096666 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-says-iran-may-have-ki...

duxup 7y ago

In the West there's a heck of a lot better chance / freedom to actually continue looking into cases.