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It will make me happy to be able to stop supporting ie11 at some point in the future. Sadly, it doesn’t appear that ie11 will have an end of life date as it’ll

by scanr 7y ago

It will make me happy to be able to stop supporting ie11 at some point in the future. Sadly, it doesn’t appear that ie11 will have an end of life date as it’ll be supported as long as Windows 10 is and Windows 10 appears evergreen. Hopefully Microsoft will make edge the default browser at some point.

irrational 7y ago
2025 is the official end of life year. You can find a page on MS's website with all the end of life dates.
- noahster11 7y ago
  https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17454/lifecycle-faq-internet-explorer https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17454/lifecycle-faq...
  - TurningCanadian 7y ago
    So scanr is right, right?
- oefrha 7y ago
  5+ more years of buggy flexbox, yay...
  - butz 7y ago
    ... and gapless grids.
- dspillett 7y ago
  I've heard the 2025 date before, but I think that is only based on a "time since release" metric. For IE versions the support windows have always been "X years since release (or perhaps X years since the next version), or until all Windows variant released with it are EOL". If Win10 is indeed evergreen, then that second part will never expire. Perhaps they'll count the biannual Windows feature updates instead of Win10 as a whole, and so count it from when they stop releasing install media with IE11 on them, but as that hasn't happened yet, we'll still be some years away for IE11 stopping. Even then '11 will still be around in some environments for a while after EOL. We only recently got rid of IE8 support for some of our clients as they stopped using it. That was mainly because of the then upcoming EOL of IE8 in sync with the EOL of Win7/Win2008 (the last versions released with IE8). I hear some are not so lucky... I expect IE11 to be a problem (though an increasingly small one, thankfully) for some time to come. In any case, can you link (or screenshot if it doesn't cooperate with deep linking) to an official page listing 2025? I'm not seeing that.
- gruez 7y ago
  >2025 is the official end of life year not according to https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17454/lifecycle-faq-internet-explorer https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17454/lifecycle-faq.... >Internet Explorer is a component of the Windows operating system and the most current version will continue to follow the specific lifecycle policy for the operating system for which it is installed. To find the lifecycle dates for all operating systems, search the Microsoft Lifecycle Database here. It's unknown how long MSFT will continue to include IE in Windows, but at the very least it will be supported until January 2029, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_version_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_version_history.
dspillett 7y ago
> Hopefully Microsoft will make edge the default browser at some point. Isn't is already for fresh Win10 installs? Or are you meaning "new Edge"?
Rapzid 7y ago
IE11 is unofficially dead. Microsoft considers it a compatibility platform more than a browser.
- CheckBlanket 7y ago
  Unfortunately, "unofficially" doesn't fly in a lot of workplaces. Until MS pluck up the courage and do everyone a favour, IE11 will continue to haunt developers. Now we got Legacy Edge too, whoopee.
  - rejectfinite 7y ago
    This new edge replaces the old one.
    - pjmlp 7y ago
      No it doesn't. > If you’re an IT administrator, you will need to download an offline deployment package to pilot within your corporate environment—the new Microsoft Edge will not automatically deploy for commercial customers. Additionally, none of the Microsoft Edge preview channels will update to the new Microsoft Edge, as they can be used side-by-side for testing and validation. So many of us still need to support current Edge until IT decides it is time to move on.
amanzi 7y ago
You should see IE11 usage drop significantly now as big corporates adopt Edge as the default. Edge can seamlessly switch over to the IE11 rendering engine for predetermined lists of legacy sites, so there's no reason for corporates to force IE11 as the default browser any more.
WorldMaker 7y ago
> Hopefully Microsoft will make edge the default browser at some point. If you mean over IE11, that's probably a (dumb, unhealthy) Group Policy decision of your Enterprise as Edge has been the default browser in Windows 10 since launch. If you mean Edgmium (New Edge) over Edge Classic, it already replaces Edge Classic (entirely) when you install it, and there's a slow rollout through Windows Update already happening, with an attempt to converge on everyone having Edgmium sometime this year and Edge Classic dying a final, sad death (RIP, good friend, you served some of us well). They say fresh installs of "Windows 10X" the hyped dual screen build of Windows will only have Edgmium, and that'll likely make its way into other Windows 10 images over time.
- scanr 7y ago
  Dang it. It probably is our group policy. I suspect that we have a lot of users with similar policies as we over index for ie11 in our stats too.
  - tatersolid 7y ago
    At $dayjob we do SaaS for the US banking industry. We see 65% IE11 and 70% Win 7 in our stats as of 2020-01-16. We even see a small percentage of XP and IE8 (which we haven’t supported since MS dropped support.) might just be UA spoofing to support some crazy old internal app at a bank. Makes your money feel safe, eh?
- xeeeeeeeeeeenu 7y ago
  >If you mean over IE11, that's probably a (dumb, unhealthy) Group Policy decision of your Enterprise as Edge has been the default browser in Windows 10 since launch. LTSC/LTSB versions of Windows 10 (i.e. the ones that enterprises are supposed to use) don't have Edge and there's no way to install it. The same goes for Windows Server 2016 and 2019.
  - WorldMaker 7y ago
    Enterprises are not supposed to use LTSC/LTSB builds as daily machines; those are intended for critical services and embedded systems. Microsoft keeps saying that in their documentation. Businesses should use the Current Branch for Business and stop shooting themselves so much in the feet with Windows updates.

by scanr 7y ago

irrational 7y ago

2025 is the official end of life year. You can find a page on MS's website with all the end of life dates.

noahster11 7y ago
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17454/lifecycle-faq-internet-explorer https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17454/lifecycle-faq...
- TurningCanadian 7y ago
  So scanr is right, right?
oefrha 7y ago
5+ more years of buggy flexbox, yay...
- butz 7y ago
  ... and gapless grids.
dspillett 7y ago
I've heard the 2025 date before, but I think that is only based on a "time since release" metric. For IE versions the support windows have always been "X years since release (or perhaps X years since the next version), or until all Windows variant released with it are EOL". If Win10 is indeed evergreen, then that second part will never expire. Perhaps they'll count the biannual Windows feature updates instead of Win10 as a whole, and so count it from when they stop releasing install media with IE11 on them, but as that hasn't happened yet, we'll still be some years away for IE11 stopping. Even then '11 will still be around in some environments for a while after EOL. We only recently got rid of IE8 support for some of our clients as they stopped using it. That was mainly because of the then upcoming EOL of IE8 in sync with the EOL of Win7/Win2008 (the last versions released with IE8). I hear some are not so lucky... I expect IE11 to be a problem (though an increasingly small one, thankfully) for some time to come. In any case, can you link (or screenshot if it doesn't cooperate with deep linking) to an official page listing 2025? I'm not seeing that.
gruez 7y ago
>2025 is the official end of life year not according to https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17454/lifecycle-faq-internet-explorer https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17454/lifecycle-faq.... >Internet Explorer is a component of the Windows operating system and the most current version will continue to follow the specific lifecycle policy for the operating system for which it is installed. To find the lifecycle dates for all operating systems, search the Microsoft Lifecycle Database here. It's unknown how long MSFT will continue to include IE in Windows, but at the very least it will be supported until January 2029, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_version_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_version_history.

dspillett 7y ago

> Hopefully Microsoft will make edge the default browser at some point. Isn't is already for fresh Win10 installs? Or are you meaning "new Edge"?

Rapzid 7y ago

IE11 is unofficially dead. Microsoft considers it a compatibility platform more than a browser.

CheckBlanket 7y ago
Unfortunately, "unofficially" doesn't fly in a lot of workplaces. Until MS pluck up the courage and do everyone a favour, IE11 will continue to haunt developers. Now we got Legacy Edge too, whoopee.
- rejectfinite 7y ago
  This new edge replaces the old one.
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    No it doesn't. > If you’re an IT administrator, you will need to download an offline deployment package to pilot within your corporate environment—the new Microsoft Edge will not automatically deploy for commercial customers. Additionally, none of the Microsoft Edge preview channels will update to the new Microsoft Edge, as they can be used side-by-side for testing and validation. So many of us still need to support current Edge until IT decides it is time to move on.

amanzi 7y ago

You should see IE11 usage drop significantly now as big corporates adopt Edge as the default. Edge can seamlessly switch over to the IE11 rendering engine for predetermined lists of legacy sites, so there's no reason for corporates to force IE11 as the default browser any more.

WorldMaker 7y ago

> Hopefully Microsoft will make edge the default browser at some point. If you mean over IE11, that's probably a (dumb, unhealthy) Group Policy decision of your Enterprise as Edge has been the default browser in Windows 10 since launch. If you mean Edgmium (New Edge) over Edge Classic, it already replaces Edge Classic (entirely) when you install it, and there's a slow rollout through Windows Update already happening, with an attempt to converge on everyone having Edgmium sometime this year and Edge Classic dying a final, sad death (RIP, good friend, you served some of us well). They say fresh installs of "Windows 10X" the hyped dual screen build of Windows will only have Edgmium, and that'll likely make its way into other Windows 10 images over time.

scanr 7y ago
Dang it. It probably is our group policy. I suspect that we have a lot of users with similar policies as we over index for ie11 in our stats too.
- tatersolid 7y ago
  At $dayjob we do SaaS for the US banking industry. We see 65% IE11 and 70% Win 7 in our stats as of 2020-01-16. We even see a small percentage of XP and IE8 (which we haven’t supported since MS dropped support.) might just be UA spoofing to support some crazy old internal app at a bank. Makes your money feel safe, eh?
xeeeeeeeeeeenu 7y ago
>If you mean over IE11, that's probably a (dumb, unhealthy) Group Policy decision of your Enterprise as Edge has been the default browser in Windows 10 since launch. LTSC/LTSB versions of Windows 10 (i.e. the ones that enterprises are supposed to use) don't have Edge and there's no way to install it. The same goes for Windows Server 2016 and 2019.
- WorldMaker 7y ago
  Enterprises are not supposed to use LTSC/LTSB builds as daily machines; those are intended for critical services and embedded systems. Microsoft keeps saying that in their documentation. Businesses should use the Current Branch for Business and stop shooting themselves so much in the feet with Windows updates.