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Porn site to pay $12.7M to women who didn't know videos would be posted

176 points by nwrk 7y ago

userbinator 7y ago
“I’m always paranoid when I meet new people that they have seen my video or [when I] meet new people [they] are going to say, ‘I know you.’” That reminded me of a comment I saw in a discussion about being worried that someone would find out your real identity by noticing your profile on a fetish site --- and thus the correct response to that is "I know you watch porn."
- iamthirsty 7y ago
  I mean, I anecdotally feel like a majority of people watch porn now-days, so not really a heartbreaking retort.
  - hawaiianbrah 7y ago
    I’ve always wondered about that stat. What does “watch porn” mean? 1x a year? 1x a month? 1x a week? I think people assume the rate is higher than it really is.
    - coldtea 7y ago
      There are stats available from porn sites. E.g.: Now we’re not saying that size matters, but 2018 was an impressively big year for Pornhub and its users. Visits to Pornhub totaled 33.5 billion over the course of 2018, an increase of 5 billion visits over 2017. That equates to a daily average of 92 million visitors and at the time of this writing, Pornhub’s daily visits now exceed 100 million. 2018 saw Pornhub’s average visit duration grow by 14 seconds to 10 minutes and 13 seconds. https://www.pornhub.com/insights/2018-year-in-review https://www.pornhub.com/insights/2018-year-in-review Relevant: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/09/everybody-lies-how-google-reveals-darkest-secrets-seth-stephens-davidowitz https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/09/everybody... Book: https://www.amazon.com/Everybody-Lies-Internet-About-Really/dp/0062390856 https://www.amazon.com/Everybody-Lies-Internet-About-Really/...
      - hawaiianbrah 7y ago
        Unless I missed it, I didn’t see something as plain as “X million in the US watch porn at least 1x a week” or something like that, which is what I’m curious about.
        coldtea 7y ago
        They say "Once again, the United States continues to be the country with the highest daily traffic to Pornhub". The give a graph of top 20 countries, which they say represent an aggregated 80% of their traffic. The US is first, and take around 40-50% of that traffic. Let's go with 40%. Of 80% that's ~ 32% of total. They also say: "Pornhub’s daily visits now exceed 100 million". This means 32% of 100M, so around 32M americans visit Pornhub alone each day. And that's just one porn network. Along with Pornhub (which is however the most visited) there are also XVideos, XHamster, XNXX, Redtube in the list of Top 50 most popular websites.
        hawaiianbrah 7y ago
        Yeah, I’m curious about the distribution therein. It’s obviously not the same 32M every single day, though I’m sure there are people who indulge daily. Are 20% of them daily users? And 60% weekly? etc
    - Mathnerd314 7y ago
      Old survey, but the average used to be 3x a week: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/6709646/All-men-watch-porn-scientists-find.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/6709646/All-men-watch-... Looking at other surveys I'd say single men probably are 70% at least 3x a week, while being married or female are both going to reduce that amount. Although there are also questions about what qualifies as porn, like romance novels. If you have a loose definition of porn then I'd guess everybody in their 20's-30's is going to have seen some porn in the past year, although perhaps involuntarily.
    - karmajunkie 7y ago
      If you can recognize the face of someone you met randomly from an ocean of porn online, I think it’s safe to say that person watches more frequently than once-a-anything.
      - ascorbic 7y ago
        These weren't randomly recognised: their contact details were published on another site, and the sociopaths who visit those sites then contacted their families, employers etc.
        karmajunkie 7y ago
        > “I’m always paranoid when I meet new people that they have seen my video or [when I] meet new people [they] are going to say, ‘I know you.’” The context of the quote was not as you describe.
  - bjourne 7y ago
    True, but the accusation "You have done PORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" isn't heartbreaking either.
- wruza 7y ago
  We discuss porn industry and porn site’s implementation and ux details at work, both men and women. It’s 2020. Do you know I breathe air and eat food?
  - fenwick67 7y ago
    Please don't talk about porn at work. Sincerely - anybody who has a shred of professionalism
    - PeterStuer 7y ago
      I don't think the poster is from the US or even an anglosaksen country.
    - avh02 7y ago
      And when part of your team's responsibility is fighting to keep pornography off your website? Snicker like a child when it inevitably comes up and go "so unprofessional!"? Or act like an adult?
    - ck425 7y ago
      I think there's a vast difference between discussing porn and discussing the technical details of porn websites. I'd never discuss the former at work but I have discussed the latter, albeit only with colleagues I know well and when it was directly relevant to technical problems we were discussing. Also not in communal areas.
    - wruza 7y ago
      Because? Seeing US/non-US comments I think that is your local quirk. Nobody discusses porn video content and actors themselves, except “bald guy from brazzers” and other folklore. Otherwise it is the same technology, much better and advanced than e.g. youtube freezing crapware show. Idk why someone should not discuss that. Because if you know that it means you watch porn?
      - fenwick67 7y ago
        Talking about video infrastructure that happens to be on a porn site, sure whatever. But, lots of people are uncomfortable talking about sex at work. I'm just trying to do my job, I don't want to have to talk with you about whether I know who "bald guy from Brazzers" is, why I do or dont, which porn sites I go to etc. My sex life, porn consumption or lack thereof is none of my co-workers' business, and keeping your nose out of other people's is a good default. Especially if you have GLBTQ+ coworkers, you can easily ostracize them. In my experience, once sex and porn start trickling into the conversation, conversations seem to devolve into fratboy territory. Just keep it away from me. I literally quit my last job because of the fratboy vibe, my boss asked me if my wife's pregnancy "made her horny" and that was the last straw.
- dsfyu404ed 7y ago
  Everyone(TM) watches porn, it's not a big deal. That response probably only works if you're profile is all about some super niche stuff. Being in porn is one of those things that is way less of a problem if you have the self confidence to just own it and let's be honest here, most of the people that would look down on someone for being in porn are gonna be in retired and or in nursing homes pretty soon
randyrand 7y ago
was it hidden in the contract? just curious the extent of the lying.
- Consultant32452 7y ago
  My understanding is the girls are told that the videos will go in some wealthy dude's private collection or something like that. No one reads contracts.
  - gizmo686 7y ago
    And even if they do, contracts dont always represent the actual agreement being made [0]. As someone who does actually read contracts, most of the time they are generic contracts for the general thing you are agreeing to, and reflect none of the specific details (and sometimes contradict the specific details). [0] Of course, absent compelling evidence to this effect, courts would look to the contract to determine what agreement was made, so if you care about the innacurate provisions, do not sign until they are corrected.
  - RKearney 7y ago
    That seems to echo exactly what is stated in the article. "They were promised that the footage would go straight to DVD for wealthy buyers in other countries, in particular Australia and New Zealand, where the defendants come from."
    - taxidump 7y ago
      They were ok with making porn, just not if someone seen it they knew... Got it.
      - wmeredith 7y ago
        They were defrauded. Full stop. I don't understand the smugness in your reply. (Perhaps I'm reading it wrong, this is the internet after all.) But what is remarkable/condemnable about a human willing to do something relatively harmless yet embarrassing for money "if no one finds out"?
01100011 7y ago
My wife fell victim to this before we met. I'm curious how we'd go about filing a case against the website. I send a message to the FBI a few years ago and never heard anything.
- cheez 7y ago
  Your wife should probably do it otherwise the FBI is probably laughing at you.
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- propter_hoc 7y ago
  That's terrible, I hope you two have been able to heal. I'd suggest trying to contact the lawyers for the plaintiffs to see if your wife has a case as well. This article [1] mentions that this is the lead lawyer: https://sanfordheisler.com/team/ed-chapin/ https://sanfordheisler.com/team/ed-chapin/ [1] https://www.law.com/therecorder/2020/01/02/girlsdoporn-faces-12-8m-verdict-for-duping-models/?slreturn=20200003222356 https://www.law.com/therecorder/2020/01/02/girlsdoporn-faces...
  - 01100011 7y ago
    We moved to a new area and just tried to move on. Honestly I feel bad for not pursuing it more aggressively. This post has rekindled my desire to go after the bastard that tricked her. Thanks for sharing the links.
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- uncoder0 7y ago
  Look up the case on the docket where it's filed. Find out the plaintiff's lawyers and give them a ring.
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mysterydip 7y ago
(no disrespect intended to the victims in this story when I say this) This is a cautionary tale in the world we live in today: Once something is recorded, it could be anywhere. Even without willful intent on the part of the owner, phones get lost or stolen, old hardware gets sold on ebay, cloud accounts get compromised, etc. Have fun, but be careful.
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- erikpukinskis 7y ago
  This does indeed come off as disrespectful. These videos weren’t “leaked”, they weren’t found on someone’s old phone. The people who shot the video LIED to the participants in order to coerce participation. They paid other people to lie to them as well in order to create a more complete deception. Then they posted the videos in exactly the way they said they would not do. They also provided drugs and alcohol to the participants before offering paperwork. This is fraud, pure and simple, thus the monetary reward. And your comment here comes across as patronizing at best. You read an article about criminal behavior and then blamed the victims of the crimes. “Have fun”? These are desperate people desperately trying to negotiate a contract so they can survive. This is not some kids having sexy time.
  - ColanR 7y ago
    Your comment, however, implies a naivete that we should trust others - to do only what they say they will, with things that are precious to us. The people shooting the video are frauds, but allowing the video to be shot at all was naive at best and stupid at worst.
    - progval 7y ago
      > implies a naivete that we should trust others - to do only what they say they will, with things that are precious to us. We trust strangers all the time. For example when driving, because we expect dangerous people to be sufficiently de-incentived from driving. Or when doing groceries, because we expect companies not to poison us. Or when riding in a stranger's car, even though they could rob and/or harm.
dannyw 7y ago
This is disgusting. I am sure you can find enough people in the world who would voluntarily do this without coercion. Getting people drunk in another city/state (?) and coercing them to do something else is rape territory, and I hope everyone involved faces criminal justice for that It's strange that the site is still up? I'm not visiting but, but how can there be civil and criminal charges and the site is still up...
- lopmotr 7y ago
  Being sued or prosecuted doesn't automatically mean all your property is seized and business shut down.
- zozbot234 7y ago
  > Getting people drunk in another city/state (?) and coercing them to do something else is rape territory The "other state" part would make it human trafficking too. Being transported to a different city might also be enough, it depends on how the laws are worded.
- apta 7y ago
  How does someone forcefully get another person in a different city drunk?
duxup 7y ago
I wonder with facial recognition and etc if it would be possible that all sorts of sites would get caught up in this sort of thing where previously they thought they could just do whatever with the video and it likely wouldn't be noticed?
sysbin 7y ago
Each woman was seeking 2 million from what I've found online. The judgement ended up being a payout of 12.7m sum and that's for splitting between 22 victims with their representation. I wonder how much each person walked away with after their attorneys were paid. I've not witnessed justice in my life but I like to think they will be happy with the judgement even though it's a lot lower than they sought.
- GhettoMaestro 7y ago
  In what fucking reality are they entitled to two million shekels for having their tits, asshole, and pussy posted online? This is a fucking lol-able sham.
- manquer 7y ago
  No amount of money is going to help them deal with trauma and problems they are facing everyday. I see this more as punitive damage than actual compensation for the harm the company did
- jlgaddis 7y ago
  Attorney fees are typically (but not always) one-third, when working on contingency. Then they deduct "expenses" for working on the case (court filing fees, travel expenses, and so on). The 22 women would split whatever was left. So, roughly, 4.5MM goes to the attorneys. That leaves 8.2MM split 22 ways. The woman will likely get somewhere around $375,000 each.
clSTophEjUdRanu 7y ago
In the future everyone will know a pornstar and nobody will care
wruza 7y ago
Reading through comments I feel like being from completely another world. While an option is to simply stay silent, I struggle to understand how that plot ends up unquestioned by everyone except lawyers. Is it self-censoring in action? Because I feel self-censored.
- GhettoMaestro 7y ago
  Nah, you're not alone. If a chick gets on camera for cash and the dude is like "don't worry, not a lot of people will see it", the chick is dumb if she really thinks that is the case. Come the fuck on folks.
- TomMckenny 7y ago
  I think you are saying that we should treat the accused as just that: innocent until proven guilty. Which is a very good policy. Especially since this industry sees a lot of attacks on the grounds of of "immorality" But in this case we have moved beyond merely accused. We have a completed verdict in a real trail. And although the judicial system has flaws, in this case the weaker parties actually won against the more powerful. And in several instances too. So I think it's reasonable people feel quite confident that the verdict was correct and that the good guys won here.
  - celticmusic 7y ago
    that's my take on it too. I didn't fully read through all the details, but I have to believe that courts did their due diligence and the women were legitimately coerced by the website. And I've just realized that 'legitimately coerced' out of context sounds like an oxymoron.
    - ggm 7y ago
      demonstrably coerced
ajmurmann 7y ago
> In November 2015 60 emails and phone calls called for her to be expelled. The emails went to the dean of the law school, and to the head of the student body with links to the video. What kind of evil person does this? Is there anything these monsters can be prosecuted for? At least the people who made the movies had a motive in greed. The people who sent these emails wouldn't even gain anything. They are clearly nothing but malicious, bigoted and evil.
- 3fe9a03ccd14ca5 7y ago
  That part made me sick to my stomach. I’m glad these women received some financial redress, but there’s nothing that will make up for their experience. Before the internet people had so much more room to make mistakes. It’s a tough time for young people to slip up.
  - chopchopgoodbye 7y ago
    "Before the internet people had so much more room to make mistakes. It’s a tough time for young people to slip up." I hope we as a society can at some point adjust our expectations of young people - or people in general - based on this fact.
- jariel 7y ago
  Obviously these women were victimised, but this is a completely separate issue from those 'sending emails' as those who were doing that would have been completely unaware of the mitigating circumstances and therefore operating under the assumption said women were simply 'making porn'. You're essentially insinuating that it's 'evil' to consider that 'doing porn' is possibly inconsistent with the values of an institution of higher learning or some other org.. I hate to break it to you but such super liberal ideals are not normative, and you don't really have a right to condemn any group which concludes that 'porn' is unbecoming of someone within their own organisation. I suggest if said 'emailers' were aware of the mitigating circumstances, they'd feel differently about it; they couldn't have known they were moralising on actual victims.
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bimhole 7y ago
Got a link ? Hook a brother up
SkyMarshal 7y ago
This whole thing is idiotic. The lying producers are assholes. The women are idiots for trusting anything told to them in this context by complete strangers motivated only by money. In the words of Shakespeare, "all are punished". >“These are millennial women who grew up with the internet – they knew the consequences of pornographic videos ending up online which is why they asked where the videos were going before they were lied to." I'm not sure they did, really. That last sentence should end with "knew the consequences of pornographic videos ending up online which is why they wisely chose not to risk doing porn." Maybe college should teach mandatory classes on risk management. >Her life, she says, is irrevocably changed, and her hopes of a legal career have been ended. “I do not want a career as an attorney. My name is completely destroyed.” I hope somebody explains to her this isn't necessarily true. There are places and firms in the country more sex-positive and/or forgiving where this won't destroy her life and she can still be an attorney. She also pretty much has a ready made career as an attorney focusing on sex-trafficking and similar fields.
- 01100011 7y ago
  I hope you don't have kids. 18 year olds do dumb things. They're legally adults but neurologically speaking that's questionable. My wife was still reeling from an abusive and sexually exploitative relationship and trying to survive when she was tricked into making porn under the guise of auditioning for an off-camera job. Glad to know you think she's an idiot. Class act there buddy.
  - SkyMarshal 7y ago
    >My wife was still reeling from an abusive and sexually exploitative relationship and trying to survive when she was tricked into making porn under the guise of auditioning for an off-camera job. Of all the women who do porn, what proportion do you believe are doing it for similar reasons as your wife - last resort and survival, vs what proportion do you believe are doing it for the combination of fast/easy money + superficial fame + taboo thrills? The former are sympathetic. The latter not so much.
  - friedxenon 7y ago
amriksohata 7y ago
Wow this post got a lot of comments
hansdieter1337 7y ago
If you don’t want a video of yourself in the Internet, don’t make a video. I always assume that any picture I take can leak to everyone anytime. How naive can you be? Someone pays you money to have sex with a stranger (prostitution in my mind) and take a video of it. And she really thought they wouldn’t sell the video?
kotoo6oJ 7y ago
http://forum.doporn.com/showthread.php?tid=3528 http://forum.doporn.com/showthread.php?tid=3528 This is a GirlsDoPorn page of one of their performers. https://hdpornhub.co/girlsdoporn/girlsdoporn-e487-full-hd-amateur-teen/ https://hdpornhub.co/girlsdoporn/girlsdoporn-e487-full-hd-am... This is a video of that performer. In the first 2-3 minutes, when the cameraman asks girls questions, she says that she has a boyfriend and she didn't tell him she's doing porn. I'll tell you what kind of "evil" person does this. The kind of person who feels empathy for the cheated boyfriend, and who wants people to know the truth. She's a slut and a liar, and she deserves to be revealed.

176 points by nwrk 7y ago

“I’m always paranoid when I meet new people that they have seen my video or [when I] meet new people [they] are going to say, ‘I know you.’” That reminded me of a comment I saw in a discussion about being worried that someone would find out your real identity by noticing your profile on a fetish site --- and thus the correct response to that is "I know you watch porn."

iamthirsty 7y ago
I mean, I anecdotally feel like a majority of people watch porn now-days, so not really a heartbreaking retort.
- hawaiianbrah 7y ago
  I’ve always wondered about that stat. What does “watch porn” mean? 1x a year? 1x a month? 1x a week? I think people assume the rate is higher than it really is.
  - coldtea 7y ago
    There are stats available from porn sites. E.g.: Now we’re not saying that size matters, but 2018 was an impressively big year for Pornhub and its users. Visits to Pornhub totaled 33.5 billion over the course of 2018, an increase of 5 billion visits over 2017. That equates to a daily average of 92 million visitors and at the time of this writing, Pornhub’s daily visits now exceed 100 million. 2018 saw Pornhub’s average visit duration grow by 14 seconds to 10 minutes and 13 seconds. https://www.pornhub.com/insights/2018-year-in-review https://www.pornhub.com/insights/2018-year-in-review Relevant: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/09/everybody-lies-how-google-reveals-darkest-secrets-seth-stephens-davidowitz https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/09/everybody... Book: https://www.amazon.com/Everybody-Lies-Internet-About-Really/dp/0062390856 https://www.amazon.com/Everybody-Lies-Internet-About-Really/...
    - hawaiianbrah 7y ago
      Unless I missed it, I didn’t see something as plain as “X million in the US watch porn at least 1x a week” or something like that, which is what I’m curious about.
      - coldtea 7y ago
        They say "Once again, the United States continues to be the country with the highest daily traffic to Pornhub". The give a graph of top 20 countries, which they say represent an aggregated 80% of their traffic. The US is first, and take around 40-50% of that traffic. Let's go with 40%. Of 80% that's ~ 32% of total. They also say: "Pornhub’s daily visits now exceed 100 million". This means 32% of 100M, so around 32M americans visit Pornhub alone each day. And that's just one porn network. Along with Pornhub (which is however the most visited) there are also XVideos, XHamster, XNXX, Redtube in the list of Top 50 most popular websites.
        hawaiianbrah 7y ago
        Yeah, I’m curious about the distribution therein. It’s obviously not the same 32M every single day, though I’m sure there are people who indulge daily. Are 20% of them daily users? And 60% weekly? etc
  - Mathnerd314 7y ago
    Old survey, but the average used to be 3x a week: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/6709646/All-men-watch-porn-scientists-find.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/6709646/All-men-watch-... Looking at other surveys I'd say single men probably are 70% at least 3x a week, while being married or female are both going to reduce that amount. Although there are also questions about what qualifies as porn, like romance novels. If you have a loose definition of porn then I'd guess everybody in their 20's-30's is going to have seen some porn in the past year, although perhaps involuntarily.
  - karmajunkie 7y ago
    If you can recognize the face of someone you met randomly from an ocean of porn online, I think it’s safe to say that person watches more frequently than once-a-anything.
    - ascorbic 7y ago
      These weren't randomly recognised: their contact details were published on another site, and the sociopaths who visit those sites then contacted their families, employers etc.
      - karmajunkie 7y ago
        > “I’m always paranoid when I meet new people that they have seen my video or [when I] meet new people [they] are going to say, ‘I know you.’” The context of the quote was not as you describe.
- bjourne 7y ago
  True, but the accusation "You have done PORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" isn't heartbreaking either.
wruza 7y ago
We discuss porn industry and porn site’s implementation and ux details at work, both men and women. It’s 2020. Do you know I breathe air and eat food?
- fenwick67 7y ago
  Please don't talk about porn at work. Sincerely - anybody who has a shred of professionalism
  - PeterStuer 7y ago
    I don't think the poster is from the US or even an anglosaksen country.
  - avh02 7y ago
    And when part of your team's responsibility is fighting to keep pornography off your website? Snicker like a child when it inevitably comes up and go "so unprofessional!"? Or act like an adult?
  - ck425 7y ago
    I think there's a vast difference between discussing porn and discussing the technical details of porn websites. I'd never discuss the former at work but I have discussed the latter, albeit only with colleagues I know well and when it was directly relevant to technical problems we were discussing. Also not in communal areas.
  - wruza 7y ago
    Because? Seeing US/non-US comments I think that is your local quirk. Nobody discusses porn video content and actors themselves, except “bald guy from brazzers” and other folklore. Otherwise it is the same technology, much better and advanced than e.g. youtube freezing crapware show. Idk why someone should not discuss that. Because if you know that it means you watch porn?
    - fenwick67 7y ago
      Talking about video infrastructure that happens to be on a porn site, sure whatever. But, lots of people are uncomfortable talking about sex at work. I'm just trying to do my job, I don't want to have to talk with you about whether I know who "bald guy from Brazzers" is, why I do or dont, which porn sites I go to etc. My sex life, porn consumption or lack thereof is none of my co-workers' business, and keeping your nose out of other people's is a good default. Especially if you have GLBTQ+ coworkers, you can easily ostracize them. In my experience, once sex and porn start trickling into the conversation, conversations seem to devolve into fratboy territory. Just keep it away from me. I literally quit my last job because of the fratboy vibe, my boss asked me if my wife's pregnancy "made her horny" and that was the last straw.
dsfyu404ed 7y ago
Everyone(TM) watches porn, it's not a big deal. That response probably only works if you're profile is all about some super niche stuff. Being in porn is one of those things that is way less of a problem if you have the self confidence to just own it and let's be honest here, most of the people that would look down on someone for being in porn are gonna be in retired and or in nursing homes pretty soon

randyrand 7y ago

was it hidden in the contract? just curious the extent of the lying.

Consultant32452 7y ago
My understanding is the girls are told that the videos will go in some wealthy dude's private collection or something like that. No one reads contracts.
- gizmo686 7y ago
  And even if they do, contracts dont always represent the actual agreement being made [0]. As someone who does actually read contracts, most of the time they are generic contracts for the general thing you are agreeing to, and reflect none of the specific details (and sometimes contradict the specific details). [0] Of course, absent compelling evidence to this effect, courts would look to the contract to determine what agreement was made, so if you care about the innacurate provisions, do not sign until they are corrected.
- RKearney 7y ago
  That seems to echo exactly what is stated in the article. "They were promised that the footage would go straight to DVD for wealthy buyers in other countries, in particular Australia and New Zealand, where the defendants come from."
  - taxidump 7y ago
    They were ok with making porn, just not if someone seen it they knew... Got it.
    - wmeredith 7y ago
      They were defrauded. Full stop. I don't understand the smugness in your reply. (Perhaps I'm reading it wrong, this is the internet after all.) But what is remarkable/condemnable about a human willing to do something relatively harmless yet embarrassing for money "if no one finds out"?

01100011 7y ago

My wife fell victim to this before we met. I'm curious how we'd go about filing a case against the website. I send a message to the FBI a few years ago and never heard anything.

cheez 7y ago
Your wife should probably do it otherwise the FBI is probably laughing at you.
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propter_hoc 7y ago
That's terrible, I hope you two have been able to heal. I'd suggest trying to contact the lawyers for the plaintiffs to see if your wife has a case as well. This article [1] mentions that this is the lead lawyer: https://sanfordheisler.com/team/ed-chapin/ https://sanfordheisler.com/team/ed-chapin/ [1] https://www.law.com/therecorder/2020/01/02/girlsdoporn-faces-12-8m-verdict-for-duping-models/?slreturn=20200003222356 https://www.law.com/therecorder/2020/01/02/girlsdoporn-faces...
- 01100011 7y ago
  We moved to a new area and just tried to move on. Honestly I feel bad for not pursuing it more aggressively. This post has rekindled my desire to go after the bastard that tricked her. Thanks for sharing the links.
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uncoder0 7y ago
Look up the case on the docket where it's filed. Find out the plaintiff's lawyers and give them a ring.
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mysterydip 7y ago

(no disrespect intended to the victims in this story when I say this) This is a cautionary tale in the world we live in today: Once something is recorded, it could be anywhere. Even without willful intent on the part of the owner, phones get lost or stolen, old hardware gets sold on ebay, cloud accounts get compromised, etc. Have fun, but be careful.

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erikpukinskis 7y ago
This does indeed come off as disrespectful. These videos weren’t “leaked”, they weren’t found on someone’s old phone. The people who shot the video LIED to the participants in order to coerce participation. They paid other people to lie to them as well in order to create a more complete deception. Then they posted the videos in exactly the way they said they would not do. They also provided drugs and alcohol to the participants before offering paperwork. This is fraud, pure and simple, thus the monetary reward. And your comment here comes across as patronizing at best. You read an article about criminal behavior and then blamed the victims of the crimes. “Have fun”? These are desperate people desperately trying to negotiate a contract so they can survive. This is not some kids having sexy time.
- ColanR 7y ago
  Your comment, however, implies a naivete that we should trust others - to do only what they say they will, with things that are precious to us. The people shooting the video are frauds, but allowing the video to be shot at all was naive at best and stupid at worst.
  - progval 7y ago
    > implies a naivete that we should trust others - to do only what they say they will, with things that are precious to us. We trust strangers all the time. For example when driving, because we expect dangerous people to be sufficiently de-incentived from driving. Or when doing groceries, because we expect companies not to poison us. Or when riding in a stranger's car, even though they could rob and/or harm.

dannyw 7y ago

This is disgusting. I am sure you can find enough people in the world who would voluntarily do this without coercion. Getting people drunk in another city/state (?) and coercing them to do something else is rape territory, and I hope everyone involved faces criminal justice for that It's strange that the site is still up? I'm not visiting but, but how can there be civil and criminal charges and the site is still up...

lopmotr 7y ago
Being sued or prosecuted doesn't automatically mean all your property is seized and business shut down.
zozbot234 7y ago
> Getting people drunk in another city/state (?) and coercing them to do something else is rape territory The "other state" part would make it human trafficking too. Being transported to a different city might also be enough, it depends on how the laws are worded.
apta 7y ago
How does someone forcefully get another person in a different city drunk?

duxup 7y ago

I wonder with facial recognition and etc if it would be possible that all sorts of sites would get caught up in this sort of thing where previously they thought they could just do whatever with the video and it likely wouldn't be noticed?

sysbin 7y ago

Each woman was seeking 2 million from what I've found online. The judgement ended up being a payout of 12.7m sum and that's for splitting between 22 victims with their representation. I wonder how much each person walked away with after their attorneys were paid. I've not witnessed justice in my life but I like to think they will be happy with the judgement even though it's a lot lower than they sought.

GhettoMaestro 7y ago
In what fucking reality are they entitled to two million shekels for having their tits, asshole, and pussy posted online? This is a fucking lol-able sham.
manquer 7y ago
No amount of money is going to help them deal with trauma and problems they are facing everyday. I see this more as punitive damage than actual compensation for the harm the company did
jlgaddis 7y ago
Attorney fees are typically (but not always) one-third, when working on contingency. Then they deduct "expenses" for working on the case (court filing fees, travel expenses, and so on). The 22 women would split whatever was left. So, roughly, 4.5MM goes to the attorneys. That leaves 8.2MM split 22 ways. The woman will likely get somewhere around $375,000 each.

clSTophEjUdRanu 7y ago

In the future everyone will know a pornstar and nobody will care

wruza 7y ago

Reading through comments I feel like being from completely another world. While an option is to simply stay silent, I struggle to understand how that plot ends up unquestioned by everyone except lawyers. Is it self-censoring in action? Because I feel self-censored.

GhettoMaestro 7y ago
Nah, you're not alone. If a chick gets on camera for cash and the dude is like "don't worry, not a lot of people will see it", the chick is dumb if she really thinks that is the case. Come the fuck on folks.
TomMckenny 7y ago
I think you are saying that we should treat the accused as just that: innocent until proven guilty. Which is a very good policy. Especially since this industry sees a lot of attacks on the grounds of of "immorality" But in this case we have moved beyond merely accused. We have a completed verdict in a real trail. And although the judicial system has flaws, in this case the weaker parties actually won against the more powerful. And in several instances too. So I think it's reasonable people feel quite confident that the verdict was correct and that the good guys won here.
- celticmusic 7y ago
  that's my take on it too. I didn't fully read through all the details, but I have to believe that courts did their due diligence and the women were legitimately coerced by the website. And I've just realized that 'legitimately coerced' out of context sounds like an oxymoron.
  - ggm 7y ago
    demonstrably coerced

ajmurmann 7y ago

> In November 2015 60 emails and phone calls called for her to be expelled. The emails went to the dean of the law school, and to the head of the student body with links to the video. What kind of evil person does this? Is there anything these monsters can be prosecuted for? At least the people who made the movies had a motive in greed. The people who sent these emails wouldn't even gain anything. They are clearly nothing but malicious, bigoted and evil.

3fe9a03ccd14ca5 7y ago
That part made me sick to my stomach. I’m glad these women received some financial redress, but there’s nothing that will make up for their experience. Before the internet people had so much more room to make mistakes. It’s a tough time for young people to slip up.
- chopchopgoodbye 7y ago
  "Before the internet people had so much more room to make mistakes. It’s a tough time for young people to slip up." I hope we as a society can at some point adjust our expectations of young people - or people in general - based on this fact.
jariel 7y ago
Obviously these women were victimised, but this is a completely separate issue from those 'sending emails' as those who were doing that would have been completely unaware of the mitigating circumstances and therefore operating under the assumption said women were simply 'making porn'. You're essentially insinuating that it's 'evil' to consider that 'doing porn' is possibly inconsistent with the values of an institution of higher learning or some other org.. I hate to break it to you but such super liberal ideals are not normative, and you don't really have a right to condemn any group which concludes that 'porn' is unbecoming of someone within their own organisation. I suggest if said 'emailers' were aware of the mitigating circumstances, they'd feel differently about it; they couldn't have known they were moralising on actual victims.
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bimhole 7y ago

Got a link ? Hook a brother up

SkyMarshal 7y ago

This whole thing is idiotic. The lying producers are assholes. The women are idiots for trusting anything told to them in this context by complete strangers motivated only by money. In the words of Shakespeare, "all are punished". >“These are millennial women who grew up with the internet – they knew the consequences of pornographic videos ending up online which is why they asked where the videos were going before they were lied to." I'm not sure they did, really. That last sentence should end with "knew the consequences of pornographic videos ending up online which is why they wisely chose not to risk doing porn." Maybe college should teach mandatory classes on risk management. >Her life, she says, is irrevocably changed, and her hopes of a legal career have been ended. “I do not want a career as an attorney. My name is completely destroyed.” I hope somebody explains to her this isn't necessarily true. There are places and firms in the country more sex-positive and/or forgiving where this won't destroy her life and she can still be an attorney. She also pretty much has a ready made career as an attorney focusing on sex-trafficking and similar fields.

01100011 7y ago
I hope you don't have kids. 18 year olds do dumb things. They're legally adults but neurologically speaking that's questionable. My wife was still reeling from an abusive and sexually exploitative relationship and trying to survive when she was tricked into making porn under the guise of auditioning for an off-camera job. Glad to know you think she's an idiot. Class act there buddy.
- SkyMarshal 7y ago
  >My wife was still reeling from an abusive and sexually exploitative relationship and trying to survive when she was tricked into making porn under the guise of auditioning for an off-camera job. Of all the women who do porn, what proportion do you believe are doing it for similar reasons as your wife - last resort and survival, vs what proportion do you believe are doing it for the combination of fast/easy money + superficial fame + taboo thrills? The former are sympathetic. The latter not so much.
- friedxenon 7y ago

amriksohata 7y ago

Wow this post got a lot of comments

hansdieter1337 7y ago

If you don’t want a video of yourself in the Internet, don’t make a video. I always assume that any picture I take can leak to everyone anytime. How naive can you be? Someone pays you money to have sex with a stranger (prostitution in my mind) and take a video of it. And she really thought they wouldn’t sell the video?

kotoo6oJ 7y ago

http://forum.doporn.com/showthread.php?tid=3528 http://forum.doporn.com/showthread.php?tid=3528 This is a GirlsDoPorn page of one of their performers. https://hdpornhub.co/girlsdoporn/girlsdoporn-e487-full-hd-amateur-teen/ https://hdpornhub.co/girlsdoporn/girlsdoporn-e487-full-hd-am... This is a video of that performer. In the first 2-3 minutes, when the cameraman asks girls questions, she says that she has a boyfriend and she didn't tell him she's doing porn. I'll tell you what kind of "evil" person does this. The kind of person who feels empathy for the cheated boyfriend, and who wants people to know the truth. She's a slut and a liar, and she deserves to be revealed.