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Well, in America imigrants are put in concentration camps and desperated poor people are allowed to sell their blood 2 times a week. But it doesn't mean that if

Well, in America imigrants are put in concentration camps and desperated poor people are allowed to sell their blood 2 times a week. But it doesn't mean that if a scientist does that kind of unethical experiment, he wouldn't be put in jail.

krapp 7y ago
>But it doesn't mean that if a scientist does that kind of unethical experiment, he wouldn't be put in jail. It does if he's doing it for the government. I can absolutely see the US setting aside some black funds to guarantee that it doesn't suffer a "Superman gap."
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seanmcdirmid 7y ago
I don’t think immigrants in detainment camps are allowed to sell their blood at all, let alone 2 times a week.
- nitrogen 7y ago
  > poor people are allowed to sell their blood 2 times a week. Plasma "donation" is paid in the US.
  - seanmcdirmid 7y ago
    Yes, but incarcerated persons are not allowed to participate.
    - nitrogen 7y ago
      I guess I'm reading the sentence I partially quoted as referring to two different groups both with negative circumstances -- immigrants in detention on one hand, and on the other poor people selling blood.
      - seanmcdirmid 7y ago
        If their response was replying to the previous comment (medical experiments on unacceptable citizens), then I just assumed the two sentences were meant to be connected.
vorpalhex 7y ago
Comparing an immigration detention facility to a concentration camp shows a distinct lack of understanding of what either one is.
- imtringued 7y ago
  Actually you're the one who isn't understanding that there is no meaningful difference. Concentration camps are just worse than usual prisons. The biggest difference isn't the institution, it's who is selected to be sent to the camp and that they can never leave. People in prisons or concentration camps often have to work against their will. This is an accepted form of slavery in our society. The imprisoned often have no enforced rights. A ward can just search your room, take your property and you can't do anything against them. They are allowed to use force to make you obey. Who is going to protect you? The police?
  - vorpalhex 7y ago
    > Concentration camps are just worse than usual prisons A concentration camp is a detention facility for holding people without pressing charges or the intent to immediately press charges. > it's who is selected to be sent to the camp and that they can never leave You can't leave a prison until your sentence is done. You typically don't get to leave concentration camps unless it's a time limited internment camp. > People in prisons or concentration camps often have to work against their will That's true but penal labor is not the same as forced labor in concentration camps. Penal labor is regulated and is specifically as a punishment to an indicted crime. There are certainly issues with penal labor, but it's not the same as working Concentration camp detainees literally to death. Concentration camps use labor typically as a means to kill the people in the Concentration camp - who are not there because they've been charged (rather, they usually are detained on ethnic origin). An immigration holding facility is not a concentration camp because the detainees are being charged and released (either via deportation or local release). Further, labor is not used in an immigration holding facility (but if you're charged and transferred to a prison, then you might have penal labor). There are plenty of gripes to have with the prison system (especially the for profit prison system). There are gripes to have with immigration holding facilities. To call either one a concentration camp is to devalue and horrendously understate the horror of concentration camps.
loceng 7y ago
America is evolving. It looks like Presidential candidate Andrew Yang has reinvigorated the conversation around a Universal Basic Income of $1,000/month for every adult American which ultimately could end the poverty you're referencing which is due to the lack of any value gains from economic success of capitalism from being distributed to all "shareholders" of the nation. Likewise the current administration is a failed attempt at tyrant wannabe who lack the integrity to stand with and defend their constitution - and they do other shitty, and internationally illegal things - like separate immigrant children from their parents.

krapp 7y ago

>But it doesn't mean that if a scientist does that kind of unethical experiment, he wouldn't be put in jail. It does if he's doing it for the government. I can absolutely see the US setting aside some black funds to guarantee that it doesn't suffer a "Superman gap."

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seanmcdirmid 7y ago

I don’t think immigrants in detainment camps are allowed to sell their blood at all, let alone 2 times a week.

nitrogen 7y ago
> poor people are allowed to sell their blood 2 times a week. Plasma "donation" is paid in the US.
- seanmcdirmid 7y ago
  Yes, but incarcerated persons are not allowed to participate.
  - nitrogen 7y ago
    I guess I'm reading the sentence I partially quoted as referring to two different groups both with negative circumstances -- immigrants in detention on one hand, and on the other poor people selling blood.
    - seanmcdirmid 7y ago
      If their response was replying to the previous comment (medical experiments on unacceptable citizens), then I just assumed the two sentences were meant to be connected.

vorpalhex 7y ago

Comparing an immigration detention facility to a concentration camp shows a distinct lack of understanding of what either one is.

imtringued 7y ago
Actually you're the one who isn't understanding that there is no meaningful difference. Concentration camps are just worse than usual prisons. The biggest difference isn't the institution, it's who is selected to be sent to the camp and that they can never leave. People in prisons or concentration camps often have to work against their will. This is an accepted form of slavery in our society. The imprisoned often have no enforced rights. A ward can just search your room, take your property and you can't do anything against them. They are allowed to use force to make you obey. Who is going to protect you? The police?
- vorpalhex 7y ago
  > Concentration camps are just worse than usual prisons A concentration camp is a detention facility for holding people without pressing charges or the intent to immediately press charges. > it's who is selected to be sent to the camp and that they can never leave You can't leave a prison until your sentence is done. You typically don't get to leave concentration camps unless it's a time limited internment camp. > People in prisons or concentration camps often have to work against their will That's true but penal labor is not the same as forced labor in concentration camps. Penal labor is regulated and is specifically as a punishment to an indicted crime. There are certainly issues with penal labor, but it's not the same as working Concentration camp detainees literally to death. Concentration camps use labor typically as a means to kill the people in the Concentration camp - who are not there because they've been charged (rather, they usually are detained on ethnic origin). An immigration holding facility is not a concentration camp because the detainees are being charged and released (either via deportation or local release). Further, labor is not used in an immigration holding facility (but if you're charged and transferred to a prison, then you might have penal labor). There are plenty of gripes to have with the prison system (especially the for profit prison system). There are gripes to have with immigration holding facilities. To call either one a concentration camp is to devalue and horrendously understate the horror of concentration camps.

loceng 7y ago

America is evolving. It looks like Presidential candidate Andrew Yang has reinvigorated the conversation around a Universal Basic Income of $1,000/month for every adult American which ultimately could end the poverty you're referencing which is due to the lack of any value gains from economic success of capitalism from being distributed to all "shareholders" of the nation. Likewise the current administration is a failed attempt at tyrant wannabe who lack the integrity to stand with and defend their constitution - and they do other shitty, and internationally illegal things - like separate immigrant children from their parents.