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I'm sorry, I have to push back here. Is it a "fuck poor people" mentality, as you state, to not want to be near people who smell of urine, excrement, BO, stale

I'm sorry, I have to push back here. Is it a "fuck poor people" mentality, as you state, to not want to be near people who smell of urine, excrement, BO, stale drug smells? This is simply the modern nose being accustomed to sanitary smells, can you really say it's a "fuck poor people mentality" if it's down to literally never smelling those smells except on public transport?

seanmcdirmid 7y ago
There is some of that, but some of it is just snobbery...meaning kids are made fun of if they take the bus rather than driving in their own car or getting a ride from their parents. It starts from an early age, and isn’t entirely related to disgust.
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selman89 7y ago
The effect of this is “fuck poor people”. It’s political, not avoidable. Refusing to actively take account of such systemic matters has an outcome. Most people in the world seem to understand this, but not Americans. Americans only think of themselves.
- gamblor956 7y ago
  I'm reminded of the slums currently surrounding Paris which are almost as bad as LA's skid row, but less visible simply because they're further from the people in power. Or what about Britain's history of horrific poverty that formed the basis for nearly all of Dickens' work. Germany's far more recent history, especially for those on the East side of the wall. Russia's treatment of its poor during and after Communism. The way that people just ignore the poor, and even dying around them in China, and India, without even taking a few seconds to call emergency services. Which country has contributed personnel to every major UN mission? Which is the only country to have provided medical assistance, food, and logistics support after every major terrorist act or natural disaster through January 2017? Which country sends more volunteers around the world to house the poor, feed the hungry, and teach the children than nearly every other nation combined? (Hint: the answer to all of these is the US.) But sure, only Americans only think of themselves...
  - selman89 7y ago
    I did not say only Americans do this. Nonetheless, I am not convinced the homeless issue in France competes with that of LA, Dickens wrote in the 19th century, and this is the 21st. Which nation has military bases in every populated corner of the Earth? Soothing platitudes such as yours have always underwritten imperialism.
sutterbomb 7y ago
These undesirable aspects are at least partially a result of the same fuck the poor mentality. In countries that actually care for their populations, homeless and otherwise, this problem is far less severe.
- buzzkillington 7y ago
  So fuck the middle class because the rich don't want to pay taxes?
  - shkkmo 7y ago
    There's a great deal of evidence that we actually save money by providing housing, shelters and other services to poor people. Unfortunately, the politics make this unpopular and dictate that when they are provided they come with strings attached that discourage their use. It really isn't a question of not wanting to pay taxes and much more question of demonizing poor people. The money spent on policing, cleanup, and emergency medical care is often far more than we would spend if we would just fund helping lift people out of poverty without all the moralizing.
  - wolco 7y ago
    The middle class makes up most of the tax payer population. You can't tax income at the top and expect much unless you added 20%.
    - thawaway1837 7y ago
      The top 1% in the US has absorbed nearly the entire economic growth for the last 30 years or so. The number of people doesn’t really matter. It’s the percentage of wealth that they hold that matters. Other segments of the population have seen absolutely no economic growth.
      - wolco 7y ago
        The top 1% isn't getting income via employment payroll. They own entities globally and can afford to give themselves a dollar a year salary. If you are only raising employment income taxes you have to get it from the middle class.
astrodust 7y ago
That's because your transit system is taking up the slack in other parts of your municipal system that are failing, not because public transit is bad. It's because "fuck poor people" is happening across a broad spectrum.
- patcon 7y ago
  This. imho transit ridership bears more of the burden of the "fuck poor people" undercurrent of America. It's maybe the snowy after image of the American Dream: Anyone can make [if they work hard] / It must be their fault if they don't make it.
  - astrodust 7y ago
    Even in its most dysfunctional state, like busses that are total shit and run once an hour on a drunkenly erratic schedule, it's still operational as compared to other things like homeless shelters, drug rehab centers, and mental health care which don't exist or are completely overwhelmed.
    - munk-a 7y ago
      As much as rich people hate buses, they're a vital transportation resource to working folks - I take a bus and metro every day and save a bunch compared to owning and commuting in a car.
      - astrodust 7y ago
        You don't take the bus because you like it, but because you have no other option.
        jcranmer 7y ago
        There have been places where I could have commuted by car (i.e., I owned a car), but chose to commute by bus instead.
        7y ago
jcranmer 7y ago
In my entire life, I have never experienced those smells on public transit in a wide variety of cities. So if you're experiencing those smells a lot, that is a local issue with an oversized burden on public transit because, well, fuck the poor people who take transit.

seanmcdirmid 7y ago

There is some of that, but some of it is just snobbery...meaning kids are made fun of if they take the bus rather than driving in their own car or getting a ride from their parents. It starts from an early age, and isn’t entirely related to disgust.

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selman89 7y ago

The effect of this is “fuck poor people”. It’s political, not avoidable. Refusing to actively take account of such systemic matters has an outcome. Most people in the world seem to understand this, but not Americans. Americans only think of themselves.

gamblor956 7y ago
I'm reminded of the slums currently surrounding Paris which are almost as bad as LA's skid row, but less visible simply because they're further from the people in power. Or what about Britain's history of horrific poverty that formed the basis for nearly all of Dickens' work. Germany's far more recent history, especially for those on the East side of the wall. Russia's treatment of its poor during and after Communism. The way that people just ignore the poor, and even dying around them in China, and India, without even taking a few seconds to call emergency services. Which country has contributed personnel to every major UN mission? Which is the only country to have provided medical assistance, food, and logistics support after every major terrorist act or natural disaster through January 2017? Which country sends more volunteers around the world to house the poor, feed the hungry, and teach the children than nearly every other nation combined? (Hint: the answer to all of these is the US.) But sure, only Americans only think of themselves...
- selman89 7y ago
  I did not say only Americans do this. Nonetheless, I am not convinced the homeless issue in France competes with that of LA, Dickens wrote in the 19th century, and this is the 21st. Which nation has military bases in every populated corner of the Earth? Soothing platitudes such as yours have always underwritten imperialism.

sutterbomb 7y ago

These undesirable aspects are at least partially a result of the same fuck the poor mentality. In countries that actually care for their populations, homeless and otherwise, this problem is far less severe.

buzzkillington 7y ago
So fuck the middle class because the rich don't want to pay taxes?
- shkkmo 7y ago
  There's a great deal of evidence that we actually save money by providing housing, shelters and other services to poor people. Unfortunately, the politics make this unpopular and dictate that when they are provided they come with strings attached that discourage their use. It really isn't a question of not wanting to pay taxes and much more question of demonizing poor people. The money spent on policing, cleanup, and emergency medical care is often far more than we would spend if we would just fund helping lift people out of poverty without all the moralizing.
- wolco 7y ago
  The middle class makes up most of the tax payer population. You can't tax income at the top and expect much unless you added 20%.
  - thawaway1837 7y ago
    The top 1% in the US has absorbed nearly the entire economic growth for the last 30 years or so. The number of people doesn’t really matter. It’s the percentage of wealth that they hold that matters. Other segments of the population have seen absolutely no economic growth.
    - wolco 7y ago
      The top 1% isn't getting income via employment payroll. They own entities globally and can afford to give themselves a dollar a year salary. If you are only raising employment income taxes you have to get it from the middle class.

astrodust 7y ago

That's because your transit system is taking up the slack in other parts of your municipal system that are failing, not because public transit is bad. It's because "fuck poor people" is happening across a broad spectrum.

patcon 7y ago
This. imho transit ridership bears more of the burden of the "fuck poor people" undercurrent of America. It's maybe the snowy after image of the American Dream: Anyone can make [if they work hard] / It must be their fault if they don't make it.
- astrodust 7y ago
  Even in its most dysfunctional state, like busses that are total shit and run once an hour on a drunkenly erratic schedule, it's still operational as compared to other things like homeless shelters, drug rehab centers, and mental health care which don't exist or are completely overwhelmed.
  - munk-a 7y ago
    As much as rich people hate buses, they're a vital transportation resource to working folks - I take a bus and metro every day and save a bunch compared to owning and commuting in a car.
    - astrodust 7y ago
      You don't take the bus because you like it, but because you have no other option.
      - jcranmer 7y ago
        There have been places where I could have commuted by car (i.e., I owned a car), but chose to commute by bus instead.
      - 7y ago

jcranmer 7y ago

In my entire life, I have never experienced those smells on public transit in a wide variety of cities. So if you're experiencing those smells a lot, that is a local issue with an oversized burden on public transit because, well, fuck the poor people who take transit.