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Nothing lasts forever. Reddit is 14 years old. They've had a good run. I think there is a general trend away from user-generated content as a business model, b

Nothing lasts forever. Reddit is 14 years old. They've had a good run. I think there is a general trend away from user-generated content as a business model, because that content can be a bit salty. Reddit might just be cashing out because the wave they rode has already crested.

Cephalopterus 7y ago
> because that content can be a bit salty. AKA the fate of every site that is a collection of usergenerated content with an ad based business model. If you want to get serious about monetization then you need to actively curtail any content that is not "advertiser friendly" which in most cases means alienating your core content generators, case in point, Tumblr.
- dmix 7y ago
  I do believe Reddit admins heavily influence the culture of the hyper-modding but at the same time tons of subreddits go way beyond just moderating out the bad stuff and act like full blown newspaper editors who delete 75%+ of organically upvoted submitted content because it doesn't fit their view of what the subreddit should be. They really aren't legitimately user-generated subreddits anymore and there's always this constant tension between users and what gets allowed to be 'frontpaged' or commented about. I know people can create spin-off subs but when it starts happening everywhere it becomes a serious problem.
  - vorpalhex 7y ago
    I still am very upset about /r/politics becoming super partisan. Reddit as a whole has always had biases, but there was a time when /r/politics was fairly centrist and genuinely useful as an aggregator with intelligent commentary. It's now a reposting of vox/buzzfeed more or less.
    - trts 7y ago
      I don't remember this time at all. But I've never found much value in the big subreddits because of the incentives to game them for karma and traffic. The most interesting communities have always seemed like the small ones since there are more people interested in a conversation vs. a popularity contest.
    - jahlove 7y ago
      agreed. I have voted Democrat for a long time, but I can't stand how partisan it's become. The comments are always so low-effort too. The top voted comment in almost any thread will be something like, "fuck trump".
      - Kye 7y ago
        Some people mistake catharsis for activism. It burns a lot of energy while not leading to any progress, or even to building a foundation for making progress.
      - retsibsi 7y ago
        It almost gives me an uncanny valley feeling. There's a certain pattern to every comments thread that makes me feel like I'm watching a 'conversation' between lazy teenagers, vote-manipulation bots and a handful of (paid?) adult political activists. (I know that sounds paranoid, but fwiw if I were an American I would vote Democrat, and if you applied a hundred randomly-chosen negative adjectives to Trump I would strongly agree with most of them. So this isn't a shocked reaction to seeing an echo chamber populated by the wrong team.)
    - retsibsi 7y ago
      I wouldn't necessarily mind it being partisan, if not for the extremely low quality commenting standard. I'm sure there's a causal link: most of us are less likely to call out bullshit from our own team, and when there's nobody to call you out on your bullshit (so long as it's directed at the correct targets), it's tempting to go ever cheaper and ever dumber in search of easy approval. But it would at least be possible to have a forum where people had a lot of opinions in common, but still cared about truth and intellectual integrity and basic logic.
  - Cephalopterus 7y ago
    > at the same time tons of subreddits go way beyond just moderating out the bad stuff and act like full blown newspaper editors who delete 75%+ of organically upvoted submitted content While hyper active moderation and power mods pushing their agendas on Reddit is a major issue, a fair amount of moderation is key to maintaining the quality of content. r/MurderedByWords is an example when the mods bend a bit too backwards in allowing content, it delved from legitimate smackdowns to childish name calling on Twitter. The sub's a disgrace lately. Striking that balance is important, forcing your own views of what the sub should be will antogonize people but at the same time maintaining a bare minimum is also important. Even more so for subs that regularly hit r/all and r/popular. A lot of niche subs hit r/all with a thread or two causing a massive influx of users and the rules are relaxed to accommodate the lowest common denominator. The end result of doing that is usually the older regular content creators lose interest and leave the community.
  - CydeWeys 7y ago
    The moderators are just users though, oftentimes ones who just got there first. If you don't like the vision for any given subreddit you can create your own with more lax moderation. There's plenty of stories where subs split off because of moderation differences and ended up becoming bigger than their parent. See /r/gameofthrones vs /r/freefolk for an example. Personally I find that the more strictly a subreddit is moderated, the better it tends to be.
  - s1artibartfast 7y ago
    I think /r/PoliticalDiscussion is a great example of this. Up until 2016 there was a lot of active debate and ~50k subscribers. Now there are ~750k subscribers and only ~2 posts allowed per day. Must be exhausting for the mods.
- Chirael 7y ago
  YouTube is starting to do this as well. For example they've made it so that accounts with less than 1000 subscribers can't do live streams any more. Not coincidentally, 1000 subscribers is the threshold for monetization (i.e., when ads start getting shown on all the account's videos). A lot of smaller channels are upset about it, since live streams were one of the ways they were /getting/ to 1000 subscribers in the first place, but you can't fight the platform :(
  - Flozzin 7y ago
    I wonder how much it costs to get a thousand bot accounts to subscribe to your account.
    - Karunamon 7y ago
      About $90ish after some cursory searching. I wouldn't do it, though, seems like a great way to get a nasty surprise in the future when the bots get terminated.
      - Scoundreller 7y ago
        There’s also an hours of viewing requirement. The sad part about the sub requirement is that many forms of content are valuable but not sub-worthy. If you create a video on how to fix a ‘93 Hyundai’s brakes and next week how to fix your vintage garage door, I’m not going to sub. It’s not « feedable » content Maybe I would if it was entertaining in a time-wasting way, but that shouldn’t be a requirement. ChrisFix isn’t going to make a brake-change video for every car out there.
    - Analemma_ 7y ago
      That's playing with fire. If/when Google figures out what you're doing, they'll nuke your entire Google presence- YouTube, Gmail, everything- with no recourse.
  - ken 7y ago
    YouTube is definitely doing this. If you watch a video without being signed in, it now displays a popover (over the video) that says "You're signed out of YouTube. Sign in to like videos, comment, and subscribe. [GOT IT]"
- dandelo1953 7y ago
  Just want to say I cannot agree with these sentiments more. Google turned a seemingly benign industry into something people now regularly refer to as "weaponized" messaging. The pen is mightier than the sword. The spoken word is mightier than both. We need to relearn how to talk to one another instead of relying on what used to be a useful heuristic shortcut in our day to day life. We got drunk on the convenience of industry automating massaging before we even realized tech would lead to automation could scale at such exponential rates. Our linear thinking in 3d space time is not able to keep up with all the degrees of separation in play anymore. Marketing is a joke and everyone knows it. This is the real industry that is "too big to fail". And that they pinned it on the penultimate boogey man (aka money) is just more fuel to that fire.
ken 7y ago
It's possible to migrate software without driving off all your users. It's soft, after all. When the 8-bit wave crested, that didn't mean Apple was done as a company. Why do we accept that such a short-lived company (less than one human generation) is "a good run", just because it's software? If Tesla turned into a "classic pump and dump scheme", nobody would say "Well, Tesla is 16 years old. They've had a good run."
- TheAdamAndChe 7y ago
  It makes sense to think of Reddit as an application rather than a company. Reddit the application depends on network effects to grow, and without growth, decay will be inevitable. Facebook the company has been able to create other applications that grow, even while Facebook the application is starting a network effect-triggered death spiral. Reddit Inc. has not created any other growth applications like the Reddit app, so will die.
  - kordlessagain 7y ago
    > It makes sense to think of Reddit as an application rather than a company. Saying something makes sense doesn't make it make sense. Reddit is not just an application. Reddit is millions of like-minded users exchanging thoughts on a wide variety of subjects. The software or application may affect how those users interact with the other users, but it is the users at the end of the day that define what Reddit (or this site) is.
    - OnlineGladiator 7y ago
      This ignores astroturfing, abusive mods, user hostile tactics (forcing v.reddit on users and disallowing converting it to gifs - even banning a bot that did it at the website level), and a lot of other serious systemic problems with reddit's "community." Reddit was once a community, but now it's an attempt to monetize its users - nothing more, nothing less. It's clearly already dying to anybody that isn't inside the echo chamber. It moved away from value creation years ago and is clearly in the death grip of value extraction. I suspect it actually has a lot to do with their latest investment round 5 years ago, but this is purely speculation on my part. https://venturebeat.com/2014/09/30/y-combinator-backers-upvote-reddit-with-50m-investment/ https://venturebeat.com/2014/09/30/y-combinator-backers-upvo...
slothtrop 7y ago
What comes next? Don't say Discord.
- AlchemistCamp 7y ago
  Curious Cat
- Scoundreller 7y ago
  HN subgroups ;)
- 0xffff2 7y ago
  Does anyone give Discord as a serious answer to that question? I'm really struggling to figure out how a glorified IRC replacement is going to fill the same niche as Reddit.
  - hanniabu 7y ago
    I think Discord is great for chats. They've been adding a lot of improvements and features recently. The only thing I wish they had was an IP ban. However, this is by no means a replacement for reddit.
- WWLink 7y ago
  Hopefully people don't say snapchat/instagram. Ugh I hate those. I hate the suggestion that we can't have proper social websites anymore because people only want to share pictures from their phones lol.
TurkishPoptart 7y ago
Yes, but they don't _need_ to do this to stay afloat and relevant. How's their ad revenue? They could keep the stupid app, keep the dumb messages trying to convince me to switch to the app, and I'd still use it. But this is just a slap in the face to the average user.
war1025 7y ago
Echoing this, even just a year or so ago, I'd follow five or six different subreddits and check in on them multiple times a day. In the past few months, I've found that I only check "Today I Learned", and even that only once every day or so. I find the discussion here to be much more mature and insightful than any of the tech related subreddits. I had written it off as reddit being a young-persons domain and me getting old, but it could just be that reddit is losing it's edge.
- derefr 7y ago
  It sounds like you're talking about "channel" subreddits, the ones that just form as arbitrary sets of people gather to—however ephemerally—discuss a topic, without ever really self-identifying as "members" of that place. I find that the best subreddits are the other kind: real communities with members identifying as "member of community X", not focused on or created "out of" the Reddit community itself, but rather bringing in people from the outside because "the X community" happens to use a subreddit to communicate, rather than using Slack/Discord/Telegram/etc. In other words, Reddit is IMHO at its best when it's serving as a (shared-infrastructure, shared-registration, shared-administration) host for otherwise-independent forums. Reddit succeeded at being the thing that e.g. Discourse.org was trying to be—a cloud host for forums—by getting the most attention and virality, by taking advantage of the network effects that come from integrating those forums into one larger meta-forum structure. But that meta-forum, and the random "by Redditors, for Redditors" forums that shoot up out of it, aren't the real value-prop. The individual forums hosted for their own communities' sakes are. The meta-forum is just there so that people are aware that Reddit exists when they're thinking about which cloud forum host to use. Those independent third-party forums are healthy self-contained communities, because they're planned—they were probably started by a PR effort of a company or nonprofit org, and probably have real, paid "community managers" assigned to moderate them. Reddit's own random-offshoot forums have none of these advantages. They're just people who wandered into an empty space, sat down, and started talking. Of course they don't have functional moderation. They're cliques! Next time you're looking at a subreddit, ask yourself: does this subreddit have a website? And could it be said that the website "owns the subreddit" rather than the other way around? If so, then great: it's an independent community that happens to use Reddit to host a forum. If not, maybe don't even bother. (I'd love to see a list of the top subreddits that are left when you apply this filter.)
asdfman123 7y ago
Without researching traffic stats over time, what gives you the impression that reddit is dying? I'm under the impression it's only become bigger and bigger over the years. It's one of the top sites on the internet. Also,for me, it's still a great social media site that lets me talk anonymously about almost anything. The beauty of reddit is that serious decline and toxicity only seems to happen within subs. If a sub becomes really bad, you just move on to other subs that are less toxic. Still plenty of great subcommunities there.
- dyingkneepad 7y ago
  I'm not parent, but the very fact that they keep degrading the UI and implementing dark patterns and doing crap like requiring login to read comments is exactly what gives the impression that reddit is dying. It is hard to assume that people on top care about their users when every single news about any kind of change looks like to a downgrade to my Reddit experience.
  - asdfman123 7y ago
    I'm still baffled about the UI "improvement." It's comically bad. It's so busy and I can't find anything I want. I have never, ever seen a site anywhere near as big as Reddit with such a bad redesign. It seems they could have hired one UX guy and one graphic guy... I could probably pay some people on Fiverr $100 total to create a better design for the entirety of Reddit. The old design was boring and out of date, but it was everything I needed so I was fine with it. But I'm mainly a mobile user so I don't really care.
    - cal5k 7y ago
      You can still opt out of the redesign, which I do. I find the new desktop design to be intolerable.
      - asdfman123 7y ago
        I worry that eventually they're going to force everyone onto the new design, though.
mrlala 7y ago
>They've had a good run. You say that but... what is an alternative? I literally don't know where to go. Like sports? /r/nfl /r/nba /r/insertsporthere Like vr? /r/oculus /r/vive /r/insertothervrhere And then just all the random stuff that is somewhat interesting... I have such a love/hate relationship with reddit but I don't see any alternative.. especially if you like to actually discuss about topics.

Cephalopterus 7y ago

> because that content can be a bit salty. AKA the fate of every site that is a collection of usergenerated content with an ad based business model. If you want to get serious about monetization then you need to actively curtail any content that is not "advertiser friendly" which in most cases means alienating your core content generators, case in point, Tumblr.

dmix 7y ago
I do believe Reddit admins heavily influence the culture of the hyper-modding but at the same time tons of subreddits go way beyond just moderating out the bad stuff and act like full blown newspaper editors who delete 75%+ of organically upvoted submitted content because it doesn't fit their view of what the subreddit should be. They really aren't legitimately user-generated subreddits anymore and there's always this constant tension between users and what gets allowed to be 'frontpaged' or commented about. I know people can create spin-off subs but when it starts happening everywhere it becomes a serious problem.
- vorpalhex 7y ago
  I still am very upset about /r/politics becoming super partisan. Reddit as a whole has always had biases, but there was a time when /r/politics was fairly centrist and genuinely useful as an aggregator with intelligent commentary. It's now a reposting of vox/buzzfeed more or less.
  - trts 7y ago
    I don't remember this time at all. But I've never found much value in the big subreddits because of the incentives to game them for karma and traffic. The most interesting communities have always seemed like the small ones since there are more people interested in a conversation vs. a popularity contest.
  - jahlove 7y ago
    agreed. I have voted Democrat for a long time, but I can't stand how partisan it's become. The comments are always so low-effort too. The top voted comment in almost any thread will be something like, "fuck trump".
    - Kye 7y ago
      Some people mistake catharsis for activism. It burns a lot of energy while not leading to any progress, or even to building a foundation for making progress.
    - retsibsi 7y ago
      It almost gives me an uncanny valley feeling. There's a certain pattern to every comments thread that makes me feel like I'm watching a 'conversation' between lazy teenagers, vote-manipulation bots and a handful of (paid?) adult political activists. (I know that sounds paranoid, but fwiw if I were an American I would vote Democrat, and if you applied a hundred randomly-chosen negative adjectives to Trump I would strongly agree with most of them. So this isn't a shocked reaction to seeing an echo chamber populated by the wrong team.)
  - retsibsi 7y ago
    I wouldn't necessarily mind it being partisan, if not for the extremely low quality commenting standard. I'm sure there's a causal link: most of us are less likely to call out bullshit from our own team, and when there's nobody to call you out on your bullshit (so long as it's directed at the correct targets), it's tempting to go ever cheaper and ever dumber in search of easy approval. But it would at least be possible to have a forum where people had a lot of opinions in common, but still cared about truth and intellectual integrity and basic logic.
- Cephalopterus 7y ago
  > at the same time tons of subreddits go way beyond just moderating out the bad stuff and act like full blown newspaper editors who delete 75%+ of organically upvoted submitted content While hyper active moderation and power mods pushing their agendas on Reddit is a major issue, a fair amount of moderation is key to maintaining the quality of content. r/MurderedByWords is an example when the mods bend a bit too backwards in allowing content, it delved from legitimate smackdowns to childish name calling on Twitter. The sub's a disgrace lately. Striking that balance is important, forcing your own views of what the sub should be will antogonize people but at the same time maintaining a bare minimum is also important. Even more so for subs that regularly hit r/all and r/popular. A lot of niche subs hit r/all with a thread or two causing a massive influx of users and the rules are relaxed to accommodate the lowest common denominator. The end result of doing that is usually the older regular content creators lose interest and leave the community.
- CydeWeys 7y ago
  The moderators are just users though, oftentimes ones who just got there first. If you don't like the vision for any given subreddit you can create your own with more lax moderation. There's plenty of stories where subs split off because of moderation differences and ended up becoming bigger than their parent. See /r/gameofthrones vs /r/freefolk for an example. Personally I find that the more strictly a subreddit is moderated, the better it tends to be.
- s1artibartfast 7y ago
  I think /r/PoliticalDiscussion is a great example of this. Up until 2016 there was a lot of active debate and ~50k subscribers. Now there are ~750k subscribers and only ~2 posts allowed per day. Must be exhausting for the mods.
Chirael 7y ago
YouTube is starting to do this as well. For example they've made it so that accounts with less than 1000 subscribers can't do live streams any more. Not coincidentally, 1000 subscribers is the threshold for monetization (i.e., when ads start getting shown on all the account's videos). A lot of smaller channels are upset about it, since live streams were one of the ways they were /getting/ to 1000 subscribers in the first place, but you can't fight the platform :(
- Flozzin 7y ago
  I wonder how much it costs to get a thousand bot accounts to subscribe to your account.
  - Karunamon 7y ago
    About $90ish after some cursory searching. I wouldn't do it, though, seems like a great way to get a nasty surprise in the future when the bots get terminated.
    - Scoundreller 7y ago
      There’s also an hours of viewing requirement. The sad part about the sub requirement is that many forms of content are valuable but not sub-worthy. If you create a video on how to fix a ‘93 Hyundai’s brakes and next week how to fix your vintage garage door, I’m not going to sub. It’s not « feedable » content Maybe I would if it was entertaining in a time-wasting way, but that shouldn’t be a requirement. ChrisFix isn’t going to make a brake-change video for every car out there.
  - Analemma_ 7y ago
    That's playing with fire. If/when Google figures out what you're doing, they'll nuke your entire Google presence- YouTube, Gmail, everything- with no recourse.
- ken 7y ago
  YouTube is definitely doing this. If you watch a video without being signed in, it now displays a popover (over the video) that says "You're signed out of YouTube. Sign in to like videos, comment, and subscribe. [GOT IT]"
dandelo1953 7y ago
Just want to say I cannot agree with these sentiments more. Google turned a seemingly benign industry into something people now regularly refer to as "weaponized" messaging. The pen is mightier than the sword. The spoken word is mightier than both. We need to relearn how to talk to one another instead of relying on what used to be a useful heuristic shortcut in our day to day life. We got drunk on the convenience of industry automating massaging before we even realized tech would lead to automation could scale at such exponential rates. Our linear thinking in 3d space time is not able to keep up with all the degrees of separation in play anymore. Marketing is a joke and everyone knows it. This is the real industry that is "too big to fail". And that they pinned it on the penultimate boogey man (aka money) is just more fuel to that fire.

ken 7y ago

It's possible to migrate software without driving off all your users. It's soft, after all. When the 8-bit wave crested, that didn't mean Apple was done as a company. Why do we accept that such a short-lived company (less than one human generation) is "a good run", just because it's software? If Tesla turned into a "classic pump and dump scheme", nobody would say "Well, Tesla is 16 years old. They've had a good run."

TheAdamAndChe 7y ago
It makes sense to think of Reddit as an application rather than a company. Reddit the application depends on network effects to grow, and without growth, decay will be inevitable. Facebook the company has been able to create other applications that grow, even while Facebook the application is starting a network effect-triggered death spiral. Reddit Inc. has not created any other growth applications like the Reddit app, so will die.
- kordlessagain 7y ago
  > It makes sense to think of Reddit as an application rather than a company. Saying something makes sense doesn't make it make sense. Reddit is not just an application. Reddit is millions of like-minded users exchanging thoughts on a wide variety of subjects. The software or application may affect how those users interact with the other users, but it is the users at the end of the day that define what Reddit (or this site) is.
  - OnlineGladiator 7y ago
    This ignores astroturfing, abusive mods, user hostile tactics (forcing v.reddit on users and disallowing converting it to gifs - even banning a bot that did it at the website level), and a lot of other serious systemic problems with reddit's "community." Reddit was once a community, but now it's an attempt to monetize its users - nothing more, nothing less. It's clearly already dying to anybody that isn't inside the echo chamber. It moved away from value creation years ago and is clearly in the death grip of value extraction. I suspect it actually has a lot to do with their latest investment round 5 years ago, but this is purely speculation on my part. https://venturebeat.com/2014/09/30/y-combinator-backers-upvote-reddit-with-50m-investment/ https://venturebeat.com/2014/09/30/y-combinator-backers-upvo...

slothtrop 7y ago

What comes next? Don't say Discord.

AlchemistCamp 7y ago
Curious Cat
Scoundreller 7y ago
HN subgroups ;)
0xffff2 7y ago
Does anyone give Discord as a serious answer to that question? I'm really struggling to figure out how a glorified IRC replacement is going to fill the same niche as Reddit.
- hanniabu 7y ago
  I think Discord is great for chats. They've been adding a lot of improvements and features recently. The only thing I wish they had was an IP ban. However, this is by no means a replacement for reddit.
WWLink 7y ago
Hopefully people don't say snapchat/instagram. Ugh I hate those. I hate the suggestion that we can't have proper social websites anymore because people only want to share pictures from their phones lol.

TurkishPoptart 7y ago

Yes, but they don't _need_ to do this to stay afloat and relevant. How's their ad revenue? They could keep the stupid app, keep the dumb messages trying to convince me to switch to the app, and I'd still use it. But this is just a slap in the face to the average user.

war1025 7y ago

Echoing this, even just a year or so ago, I'd follow five or six different subreddits and check in on them multiple times a day. In the past few months, I've found that I only check "Today I Learned", and even that only once every day or so. I find the discussion here to be much more mature and insightful than any of the tech related subreddits. I had written it off as reddit being a young-persons domain and me getting old, but it could just be that reddit is losing it's edge.

derefr 7y ago
It sounds like you're talking about "channel" subreddits, the ones that just form as arbitrary sets of people gather to—however ephemerally—discuss a topic, without ever really self-identifying as "members" of that place. I find that the best subreddits are the other kind: real communities with members identifying as "member of community X", not focused on or created "out of" the Reddit community itself, but rather bringing in people from the outside because "the X community" happens to use a subreddit to communicate, rather than using Slack/Discord/Telegram/etc. In other words, Reddit is IMHO at its best when it's serving as a (shared-infrastructure, shared-registration, shared-administration) host for otherwise-independent forums. Reddit succeeded at being the thing that e.g. Discourse.org was trying to be—a cloud host for forums—by getting the most attention and virality, by taking advantage of the network effects that come from integrating those forums into one larger meta-forum structure. But that meta-forum, and the random "by Redditors, for Redditors" forums that shoot up out of it, aren't the real value-prop. The individual forums hosted for their own communities' sakes are. The meta-forum is just there so that people are aware that Reddit exists when they're thinking about which cloud forum host to use. Those independent third-party forums are healthy self-contained communities, because they're planned—they were probably started by a PR effort of a company or nonprofit org, and probably have real, paid "community managers" assigned to moderate them. Reddit's own random-offshoot forums have none of these advantages. They're just people who wandered into an empty space, sat down, and started talking. Of course they don't have functional moderation. They're cliques! Next time you're looking at a subreddit, ask yourself: does this subreddit have a website? And could it be said that the website "owns the subreddit" rather than the other way around? If so, then great: it's an independent community that happens to use Reddit to host a forum. If not, maybe don't even bother. (I'd love to see a list of the top subreddits that are left when you apply this filter.)

asdfman123 7y ago

Without researching traffic stats over time, what gives you the impression that reddit is dying? I'm under the impression it's only become bigger and bigger over the years. It's one of the top sites on the internet. Also,for me, it's still a great social media site that lets me talk anonymously about almost anything. The beauty of reddit is that serious decline and toxicity only seems to happen within subs. If a sub becomes really bad, you just move on to other subs that are less toxic. Still plenty of great subcommunities there.

dyingkneepad 7y ago
I'm not parent, but the very fact that they keep degrading the UI and implementing dark patterns and doing crap like requiring login to read comments is exactly what gives the impression that reddit is dying. It is hard to assume that people on top care about their users when every single news about any kind of change looks like to a downgrade to my Reddit experience.
- asdfman123 7y ago
  I'm still baffled about the UI "improvement." It's comically bad. It's so busy and I can't find anything I want. I have never, ever seen a site anywhere near as big as Reddit with such a bad redesign. It seems they could have hired one UX guy and one graphic guy... I could probably pay some people on Fiverr $100 total to create a better design for the entirety of Reddit. The old design was boring and out of date, but it was everything I needed so I was fine with it. But I'm mainly a mobile user so I don't really care.
  - cal5k 7y ago
    You can still opt out of the redesign, which I do. I find the new desktop design to be intolerable.
    - asdfman123 7y ago
      I worry that eventually they're going to force everyone onto the new design, though.

mrlala 7y ago

>They've had a good run. You say that but... what is an alternative? I literally don't know where to go. Like sports? /r/nfl /r/nba /r/insertsporthere Like vr? /r/oculus /r/vive /r/insertothervrhere And then just all the random stuff that is somewhat interesting... I have such a love/hate relationship with reddit but I don't see any alternative.. especially if you like to actually discuss about topics.