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"Almost all", says the title. "10", says the article, "the majority (that answered questions)". The EU has 28 member states. Yes, we should be wary of allowi

"Almost all", says the title. "10", says the article, "the majority (that answered questions)". The EU has 28 member states. Yes, we should be wary of allowing the police to use face recognition, but this sort of sensationalization helps no one. Mirror, because the site is not responding well: https://ipfs.eternum.io/ipfs/QmSkQZKnY4mdNmVnya2MVM2ZgnAj5H7DjWf5Yr6ahY5EHj/ https://ipfs.eternum.io/ipfs/QmSkQZKnY4mdNmVnya2MVM2ZgnAj5H7...

docdeek 7y ago
Title on the article is different now - maybe it was changed? > "at least ten have a police force that uses face recognition. Four plans to introduce it in the coming years." The only way to get to half of 28 is to sum those using it and those intending to do so soon. I think the majority they refer to is of the 25 they surveyed, but even then it is only a majority of respondents (not all responded). Sensationalism for sure.
- StavrosK 7y ago
  > Title on the article is different now - maybe it was changed? I meant the title of the post here, the title of the article is the same as when I saw it. "Almost all" is entirely unwarranted for sure.
- ParanoidShroom 7y ago
  Yes the poster changed it, sounded a bit clickbaity prolly.
ChuckNorris89 7y ago
Yes, 10 out of 28 is not most but it sets a dangerous precedent as most smaller countries follow big countries. If for example Germany, UK and France implement some draconian surveillance laws, the rest of their smaller neighbors(maybe apart from Scandinavia) will follow suit shortly.
- C1sc0cat 7y ago
  Having the EU ban id cards and phtoes on CV's would be a start - don't forget that many EU countries have mandatory id cards.
  - raxxorrax 7y ago
    The EU just introduced the requirement of id cards having biometric information. Fingerprint and biometric image to be precise. The likelihood of the EU being constructive here is infinitesimally small.
    - C1sc0cat 7y ago
      Highly ironic given how the commissioners bash google on privacy
      - pbhjpbhj 7y ago
        Identifying citizens correctly is a someone necessity of government. Google's identifying of who they're advertising to is far, very far, from necessity. It's like pointing out to the police that 'chefs use knives' when you're stopped carrying a flick knife in the street.
    - dfawcus 7y ago
      So given the new regulation (https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32019R1157&from=EN https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL...), will the Irish PSC be altered to conform to it?
Peroni 7y ago
In the case of Ireland where they categorise the country as "facial recognition in use" it states: It is unclear if the Gardaí use face recognition in real time, but face recognition is widely use to spot welfare fraud. There are no documented cases of the Gardaí using real time facial recognition in Ireland. In the case of welfare fraud, a facial imaging system is used when registering or renewing your welfare status to prevent people registering under multiple or false identities.
- donaltroddyn 7y ago
  It is also predicated on the Public Services Card, a de facto national ID card by stealth (the electorate in Ireland has resisted any attempts to implement a national ID card) which is "not compulsory but is mandatory for services" (from https://www.thejournal.ie/regina-doherty-public-services-card-3564489-Aug2017/ https://www.thejournal.ie/regina-doherty-public-services-car... ) and of which the Data Protection Commission has ruled "that the State’s retention of personal data on the 3.2m cards in existence is unlawful" (from https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/data-commissioner-issues-enforcement-notice-in-respect-of-public-services-card-968977.html https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/data-comm... ). The government contest this result (and have been accused of using budgetary measures to hamper the DPC's ability to investigate and enforce their findings), but the use of facial recognition in Ireland is currently unlawful, and, personally speaking, a disgrace. In terms of the use of facial recognition by the Gardaí, the truth is that we don't know whether it has been used - only that its fruits haven't been included in any book of evidence.
- baybal2 7y ago
  > There are no documented cases of the Gardaí using real time facial recognition in Ireland. In the case of welfare fraud, a facial imaging system is used when registering or renewing your welfare status to prevent people registering under multiple or false identities. This will not fix the issue of poor practises for establishing welfare eligibility status for each identity.

docdeek 7y ago

Title on the article is different now - maybe it was changed? > "at least ten have a police force that uses face recognition. Four plans to introduce it in the coming years." The only way to get to half of 28 is to sum those using it and those intending to do so soon. I think the majority they refer to is of the 25 they surveyed, but even then it is only a majority of respondents (not all responded). Sensationalism for sure.

StavrosK 7y ago
> Title on the article is different now - maybe it was changed? I meant the title of the post here, the title of the article is the same as when I saw it. "Almost all" is entirely unwarranted for sure.
ParanoidShroom 7y ago
Yes the poster changed it, sounded a bit clickbaity prolly.

ChuckNorris89 7y ago

Yes, 10 out of 28 is not most but it sets a dangerous precedent as most smaller countries follow big countries. If for example Germany, UK and France implement some draconian surveillance laws, the rest of their smaller neighbors(maybe apart from Scandinavia) will follow suit shortly.

C1sc0cat 7y ago
Having the EU ban id cards and phtoes on CV's would be a start - don't forget that many EU countries have mandatory id cards.
- raxxorrax 7y ago
  The EU just introduced the requirement of id cards having biometric information. Fingerprint and biometric image to be precise. The likelihood of the EU being constructive here is infinitesimally small.
  - C1sc0cat 7y ago
    Highly ironic given how the commissioners bash google on privacy
    - pbhjpbhj 7y ago
      Identifying citizens correctly is a someone necessity of government. Google's identifying of who they're advertising to is far, very far, from necessity. It's like pointing out to the police that 'chefs use knives' when you're stopped carrying a flick knife in the street.
  - dfawcus 7y ago
    So given the new regulation (https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32019R1157&from=EN https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL...), will the Irish PSC be altered to conform to it?

Peroni 7y ago

In the case of Ireland where they categorise the country as "facial recognition in use" it states: It is unclear if the Gardaí use face recognition in real time, but face recognition is widely use to spot welfare fraud. There are no documented cases of the Gardaí using real time facial recognition in Ireland. In the case of welfare fraud, a facial imaging system is used when registering or renewing your welfare status to prevent people registering under multiple or false identities.

donaltroddyn 7y ago
It is also predicated on the Public Services Card, a de facto national ID card by stealth (the electorate in Ireland has resisted any attempts to implement a national ID card) which is "not compulsory but is mandatory for services" (from https://www.thejournal.ie/regina-doherty-public-services-card-3564489-Aug2017/ https://www.thejournal.ie/regina-doherty-public-services-car... ) and of which the Data Protection Commission has ruled "that the State’s retention of personal data on the 3.2m cards in existence is unlawful" (from https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/data-commissioner-issues-enforcement-notice-in-respect-of-public-services-card-968977.html https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/data-comm... ). The government contest this result (and have been accused of using budgetary measures to hamper the DPC's ability to investigate and enforce their findings), but the use of facial recognition in Ireland is currently unlawful, and, personally speaking, a disgrace. In terms of the use of facial recognition by the Gardaí, the truth is that we don't know whether it has been used - only that its fruits haven't been included in any book of evidence.
baybal2 7y ago
> There are no documented cases of the Gardaí using real time facial recognition in Ireland. In the case of welfare fraud, a facial imaging system is used when registering or renewing your welfare status to prevent people registering under multiple or false identities. This will not fix the issue of poor practises for establishing welfare eligibility status for each identity.