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I'm not surprised. The Ryzen line is the best line of consumer CPUs I've seen since Sandy Bridge.
by whymauri 7y ago
I'm not surprised. The Ryzen line is the best line of consumer CPUs I've seen since Sandy Bridge.
- goatherders 7y agoThe way your sentence reads is that Sandy Bridge is better. I suspect you mean that the advancement with this generation is as significant as any since sandy bridge. Can you clarify?
- dastbe 7y agoIMO it was clear to me that they mean in terms of value.
- ekoutanov 7y agoI'm pretty sure it meant better in terms of a step change. :) Not outright better than Sandy Bridge.
- goatherders 7y agoLove HN - 4 downvotes for asking someone to clarify a comment. Dont ever change...
- paulie_a 7y agoSandy bridge was junk
- VMG 7y agowhy isn't it priced higher then?
- GaryNumanVevo 7y agogenerally to gain back market share
- missosoup 7y agoYour ability to gain market share ends when supply ends. If the demand is exceeding AMDs manufacturing capacity, then they should have priced higher or need to increase manufacturing capacity in order to actualize the potential market share to be gained.
- mattigames 7y agoExcept if you want to be known for being as the cheaper option and not just thinking about short-term profits; even if it takes a little delay to actually get the supply needed to satisfy the demand.
- leoh 7y agoWhat? Increase price to lower demand so they have a lower market share than they do now so they can have a higher market share later?
- missosoup 7y agoIf they're supply-limited, they can increase price all the way until demand falls to meet supply. Selling widgets priced below the equilibrium point achieves nothing for capturing market share, it just loses potential revenue. I.e. if they can only manufacture 1000 widgets, but 10,000 people want to buy one at the given price point, the gained market share is still only 1000 individuals. The number of people who want one but can't get one due to lack of supply is not market share. Temporary under-pricing might be a valid strategy if AMD is planning to ramp up manufacturing capacity, but comments further down in this thread suggest they lack the fabs to do that.
- imtringued 7y agoYou're completely forgetting about the future loss of sales when someone only looks at AMD CPUs once. The buyer will switch to Intel immediately and then when prices are finally down again won't be shopping around for prices. The impression that AMD is overpriced remains.
- missosoup 7y agoDepends on whether it was sold out due to manufacturing capacity or just a local logistical issue. If manufacturing capacity, then it should've been priced higher. If local logistics, then this data point has no bearing on whether it's priced correctly or not.
- ajross 7y agoWhat if it's actually priced below cost and supply is deliberately restricted? Making the top bins of a part "marketing only" products has been done in the past, and fits the evidence here...
- throwaway2048 7y agoThe binning on 3950x chips is nothing extraordinary, thats why the chiplet model is so powerful, because you don't need to have 16 perfect cores on one die to sell the CPU.
- ajross 7y agoThen why are there so few of them? You can't buy these things anywhere, despite being priced at a volume level. Something doesn't add up.
- kllrnohj 7y agoWell, the 3950X just launched, so there's a demand spike that's going to follow from that. But that aside these are sharing parts with the Epyc series. If AMD is getting volume orders for Epyc that is definitely going to take priority. The allocation order is going to go enterprise first, system builders second, retail boxes a distant 3rd.
- ajross 7y agoThe Epyc devices are lower binnings though! That's exactly my point. They don't seem to have the 3.5+ GHz parts available in a reasonable quantity. When Intel was doing this with "1 GHz" Pentium 3's way back when, they got crucified for a paper launch.
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- Akababa 7y agoIt could be that this is the long-term efficient price after demand from early adopters goes down. Or maybe they underestimated demand altogether and it's too late to raise prices now.
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- aoeusnth1 7y agoAMD is still gaining back mindshare. Yes, they’re not optimizing for profit right now, because they’re also gaining something valuable - entrenched market position. Intel’s dominance is incredibly sticky, and their name brand alone is worth 10s of billions. By blowing away Intel at every price point by a wide margin (and with Threadripper halo SKUs with no Intel competition), AMD is flexing and showing they are winners, and Intel are losers. People want to feel like winners when they buy products.
- Iv 7y agoThe last Intel security bugs made them lose a lot of the reputation they had, at least amongst system adminstrators though. Now is a crucial time for AMD to strike back.
- mcv 7y agoThis and their Minix backdoor are the reasons why I wanted an AMD for my laptop, but I was sad I couldn't find a high-end Thinkpad with AMD processor. I hope that will change next year.
- snvzz 7y agoWhy call it minix backdoor? It puts some blame on minix, yet minix is blameless here. Minix is an excellent FOSS microkernel multiserver OS with a focus on reliability and fault tolerance. The way Intel is using it just isn't nice.
- mcv 7y agoI'm not blaming it on Minix, but it does make use of Minix. I'm mentioning it to identify what I'm talking about. I believe the official name is Intel Management Engine. Or maybe that's just part of it.
- snvzz 7y agoIntel ME is the name I usually see, and also the name that the tools to remove/disable when possible do reference.
- FPGAhacker 7y agoI think this is a fair question to ask, I don’t know why you are being downvoted. It bothers me that hackernews penalizes curiosity.
- nullifidian 7y agoThe new threadrippers are on par or more expensive than Intel's solutions if judged by performance/cost per core. Especially if ridiculously priced motherboards are considered.
- kllrnohj 7y agoThe 3950X is the most expensive consumer platform CPU on the market, and AMD's HEDT lineup has a starting price higher than Intel's flagship HEDT part. So how much higher priced should it be?