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I checked out a Huawei store - they're the same asthetic as an apple store with a ton more useful tech then an ipod, macbook and imac. The phones were impressi
by rootsudo 7y ago
I checked out a Huawei store - they're the same asthetic as an apple store with a ton more useful tech then an ipod, macbook and imac.
The phones were impressive and very affordable. We're talking $200-300 for 6gb ram devices, 128gb storage, etc.
Google, Apple are right to be worried.
- layoutIfNeeded 7y ago* Subsidized by the Chinese govt. and intellectual property stolen from western companies.
- periya 7y agoI’ve no dog in this race but I feel the selective outrage to Huawei and other chines tech companies hypocritical while America consumes more and more goods produced in China without batting an eye.
- deathanatos 7y agoCould someone actually vote with their wallet here and buy an American made — not assembled — phone? (I'm under the impression that the best case is that the parts are fabricated in China and assembled in the US, e.g., Apple phones.)
- onepointsixC 7y agoYou have it backward, the parts themselves are usually created in Fab's outside of China while they are assembled (most labor-intensive process) in China. The whole article is about how Huawei is extremely dependent on components outside of China but has shifted from mostly US chips to EU, Taiwanese, Japanese, and South Korean Chips.
- monocasa 7y agoThe article seems to say that they're mainly shifting to HiSilicon, their in house chip design wing.
- onepointsixC 7y agoUS market has been open, so when a Chinese state-owned entity dumps products American consumers buy said products as they only see a product at a cheaper price. How is that hypocritical? The only thing that has been hypocritical was the Chinese blocking of market access via tariffs and nontraditional market barriers in order to favor local entities while demanding market access to others.
- papito 7y agoThe problem also, is that tech companies in Russia and in China have no choice but to cooperate with the state and be part of espionage. This is not just about open and fair markets, yada yada. This is only "clean" in theory.
- onepointsixC 7y agoHuawei is special in that beyond even requiring to cooperate with the state, it has a corporate structure that is seen in State-Owned Entities and could be thought of as a CCP entity.
- monocasa 7y agoThat's true of the US too. Lavabit got shut down for not being willing to cooperate with the state and be a part of espionage.
- DoreenMichele 7y agoI know a few Natives on Twitter who say similar things about the US -- only talking about real property, not intellectual property -- and who would like their land back.
- bpodgursky 7y agoWhew, it's a good thing the Chinese have the moral high ground when it comes to taking land and subjugating the natives. Otherwise this whataboutism would fall really flat!
- dang 7y agoPlease don't take HN threads further into flamewar, regardless of how bad or wrong other comments are or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- simonsarris 7y agomoral relativism across space conjoined with moral absolutism across time is a silly combination
- DoreenMichele 7y agoI don't actually have any idea what you are saying.
- mixmastamyk 7y agoTranslation: comparing apples and oranges.
- dx87 7y agoThey're saying that your comment is irrelevant because you're comparing current issues between the USA and China with issues between the USA and Native Americans in a completely different time period. Today's morals aren't the same as they were hundreds of years ago, so it doesn't make sense to excuse current IP theft in China by pointing out historical theft of land by the USA.
- skybrian 7y agoMaybe that's true but I think we should assume they do their own R&D as well.
- takeda 7y agoGoogle and Apple are just milking it. Smart phones were introduced a decade ago. Flagship phones costed then around $500, now we got to the point that they costing $1,000+ like if mass producing wouldn't cut the cost down. On top of that making a battery be non removable and constantly over-volting the batteries to reduce their life. Ultimately phones become useless after 2 years, unless you replace batteries yourself or pay someone to do it for you.
- pbourke 7y agoAnother way of looking at things: Today’s phones are quite a bit more capable than the first generation of smartphones, and they only cost twice as much.
- FpUser 7y agoSo tomorrow's smartphone will be 20 times faster and only cost 10 times as much?
- GhettoMaestro 7y agoNo... that's pure hyperbole. But 10x faster (or capable) and 2x the cost? That's not outrageous. BTW that's where we currently are.
- onion2k 7y ago10x faster and more capable at what? The tech in phones might be progressing but the use cases aren't. What most people do on their phones now is the same as they did 10 years ago. Eventually people will realise they don't need more speed, and the focus will switch to things like power effeciency and weight. Just like laptops.
- diffeomorphism 7y agoMostly photography gets noticeably better, but I still hope that at some point "convergence" becomes good enough. It has been tried again and again but always fell short due being not quite good or easy or convenient enough (getting docks, cables etc.). With usb-c/usb4 as a single connection and "good enough" processing and storage maybe in a few years? https://maruos.com/ https://maruos.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Atrix_4G#Webtop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Atrix_4G#Webtop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Touch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Touch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_DeX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_DeX https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/Continuum https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/Continuum
- dghughes 7y agoXiaomi is even more impressive. A friend of mine from China showed me a video (2017 or 2018) of a man who ordered from a Xiaomi store. The video was of the man receiving the item he ordered 5 minutes after he ordered it! It was around midnight not sure of the day but 5 minutes to his door step from ordering it! I asked my friend how is that possible so he showed me an image of a map of Xiaomi warehouses. I can't recall if he said there were dozens or hundreds per city.
- gruez 7y ago>The video was of the man receiving the item he ordered 5 minutes after he ordered it! It was around midnight not sure of the day but 5 minutes to his door step from ordering it! Feels like a viral marketing stunt to me. There's zero reason why anyone would want a phone within 5 minutes (or even same day). In the off chance that they do, they could simply walk into a physical store and buy it there. There's no need to set up a real time delivery network for that one guy who needs a phone delivered the same day and can't walk into a store. >I asked my friend how is that possible so he showed me an image of a map of Xiaomi warehouses. I can't recall if he said there were dozens or hundreds per city. I have a feeling they're closer to "stores" than warehouses.
- dghughes 7y ago> Feels like a viral marketing stunt to me. Possible. But he looked really pissed that there was a camera filming him. I'm not sure if it was a phone he ordered.
- barry-cotter 7y ago> I checked out a Huawei store - they're the same asthetic as an apple store with a ton more useful tech then an ipod, macbook and imac. If you cannot tell the difference between the design aesthetic of an Apple store and a Huawei one I will heavily discount your taste as a guide to my I own. I’ve only been to Huawei stores in China, perhaps it’s different elsewhere. The tables are plastic fake wood. The stores smell bad when new, like cheap plastic or putting your nose right next to the benches in a just opened McDonald’s. I assume the same kind of care for aesthetics and design goes into their products so if you want a bad cheap copy of the surface level of good design go with Huawei.
- monocasa 7y agoOffgasing is common in brand new stores, even Apple ones.
- barry-cotter 7y agoIf the floors are tile rather than vinyl and all the furniture is solid wood rather than veneered chipboard they almost the only outgasing will be from the products sold in store. Even in a new Apple store outgasing should generally be minimal. If you’ve been in a new store that stinks of formaldehyde I bow to your experience.
- monocasa 7y agoThe fixtures at my Apple store use copious amounts of wood glue. I woodwork on the side and am well aware of the kinds of techniques used.
- barry-cotter 7y agoI bow to your superior expertise.
- dirtyid 7y ago> I assume the same kind of care for aesthetics and design goes into their products so if you want a bad cheap copy of the surface level of good design go with Huawei. If you've been to Huawei stores then you should be familiar with the build quality of Huawei products, otherwise your opinion is incredibly hard to square. And the insinuation that current crop of Huawei devices are copy cat designs is out of touch. The exception being the MateBook line, which if anything, has superior derivative design given Apples poor track record in notebooks these last few years.
- tbihl 7y agoTheir computers are also matched with Microsoft's for the tallest screen (3:2) you can get, while also being pretty high quality. If you don't want 16:9, the only other options I'm aware of are the newest Dell XPS convertible and Apple (both 16:10). I would get a Huawei Matebook except that it would really rock the boat at my work, and that's not something I want to do.
- wozniacki 7y agoI would get a Huawei Matebook except that it would really rock the boat at my work, and that's not something I want to do. Is this really a thing in American (I'm assuming here) workplaces? Are all Huawei products persona non grata or just some ? I thought it was just the P30 Pro phone and some enterprise stuff that were explicitly barred. Could you elaborate on where things stand as of this writing, and if they are ever likely to improve, post-trade war?
- perl4ever 7y agoI have no idea, but everywhere I've been in the US, both public and private sector, seems to have Dell products, very occasionally HP. I'd expect them to be made in China too, I dunno.
- 80386 7y agoIME, workplaces are all HP or Dell. Nobody in America uses Huawei anything - I was a little surprised when I went to Europe and saw signs for Huawei phone accessories. Americans who have even a vague understanding of technology typically assume everything is backdoored by at least one government. So the Intel Management Engine is a fed backdoor, Yandex forwards all your mail to the KGB, Huawei spies on you for the Chicoms, and so on. And the Chinese have a reputation for industrial espionage, so nobody would use Huawei at work.
- benbristow 7y agoGoogle might be worried but Apple will be just fine. Apple have the (some might say superior) iOS platform which sets them apart. After being on Android devices for years and recently switching to iOS I'd be reluctant to go back