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I quit full-time work in 2001, after being burned out in the dot com boom. I did well for myself financially after the startup I was in got bought. The phrase "

I quit full-time work in 2001, after being burned out in the dot com boom. I did well for myself financially after the startup I was in got bought. The phrase "well" is of course subjective, considering that no colleague of mine quit. I left a whole lot of money on the table, but never once have I regretted it. I decided that the name of the game is to optimise quality of life. That means, infrequent brutal deadlines, minimal (pref. zero) commute, opportunity to learn, and spend time with family and friends and be of use to society at large. This meant (1) I'd only do short-term assignments (less than a year) (2) I'll keep my technical chops as current as possible, so no shortage of interesting gigs to work on (3) Not hurry into the next gig when one ended. I have never learnt the art of work-life balance, but now I'm able to amortise it over the course of a year! Work my ass off when I have a contract, then take off and putter around with different technologies and hobbies. There's lots of time for family and friends. The money is of course considerably less than what I could make, but more money comes at the cost of very high expectations and brutal deadlines. I charge less, and I get more time to do a quality job. Clients remember you for the quality, not for the time taken. Of course, as I get older, I _need_ the extra time too; I just don't have the stamina. I love it. I am 55 and I code every single day, just for fun.

tarsinge 7y ago
> I have never learnt the art of work-life balance, but now I'm able to amortise it over the course of a year! Thats interesting, I will try to follow your experience.
debaserab2 7y ago
It's inspiring reading this. In many ways, I feel I'm on a similar track. The thing I struggle with the most, though, is keeping up with the trends. I tend to do things the same way I did them years ago -- and while these are battle-tested methods of doing things that I know will work, I'm aware that the industry is evolving and maybe I'm not keeping pace. The older I get the more I see patterns repeat themselves and I'm less interested in learning about the latest trend. I seem to be more passionate about other activities than I am about tech -- especially when I was in my 20's -- and I am concerned I'll eventually become obsolete. How do you stay motivated to learn tech?
- sriram_malhar 7y ago
  One is by teaching and giving talks. I too see patterns repeat themselves, so I try to boil the latest trend down to what is genuinely new. Clients are particularly happy to be ELI5'd. Second, my interest is burrowing down into the underlying mathematics and formalisms. This frees you from having to chase trends at the superficial level (React vs Vue, for example). I went for a PhD in my dotage just to up my game (see my comment history for a recent thread where I described my experience). Third, I got disillusioned with working for BIG Software and their clients. But smaller companies and organisations and NGOs have got interesting problems to solve, but can't afford talent. Here you get to do build the entire thing on your own, and it is an art to make it simple and aesthetic and a pleasure to use; you get to use lots of relatively new and free technologies, without putting the client's business at risk.
- brianmcc 7y ago
  I can relate to this. Given a choice between tech I know works, and tech which is "trendy", I find it hard to take a punt on the new stuff. I do feel it's OK to require new tech to prove itself though and I am quite happy to keep it at arms length until it's earned its stripes - while recognising it can take years for the hype cycle to play out.
- mike_hock 7y ago
  I don't find it hard to find motivation to learn something that has genuinely new concepts to teach me. But I can't motivate myself to keep up with fads, or to learn bad technologies just because all the lemmings are running toward them right now.
artificialLimbs 7y ago
This is great. As a new (1 year) coder starting out at 39 years old, this sounds very similar to the path I envision for myself. Thanks for the inspiration!
- adventured 7y ago
  What language/s are you starting out in (if you don't mind answering)?
  - artificialLimbs 7y ago
    My path started with my wife coming to me with a unique gold-mine of a video game idea, so I started learning C# and Unity. Quickly realized that I needed and wanted to learn more programming, so started OSSU and did the Python course. Had a kid, then decided to fast track to get a decent paying job, and so switched to ODIN project. Have learned web (HTML/JS/CSS) and am learning Ruby/Rails stuff there. Have done some PHP + API integration work on the side for my local fixed wireless ISP, the owner of which is a good friend and former boss of mine.
    - TurkishPoptart 7y ago
      Congrats!
rhlsthrm 7y ago
Are you a consultant then? What type of projects do you do and how do you find clients? This is something I'd love to do once my current gig is done.
- sriram_malhar 7y ago
  I consult, I teach (distributed systems) at a university, I sit on a few technical advisory boards for a few companies. I don't really go out of my way to find clients; word gets around and I get referrals. If the problem interests me, I'm happy to sit with the potential client and give pointers and advice (for no charge) even if I don't want to take that project (cf. rule 1 -- never pack my calendar). It is a win-win. I've also gone and worked for a postdoc salary (at Berkeley, on the Bloom language) because the project was so interesting. Once you own a home outright, and health insurance is taken care of, the other expenses are completely manageable. I don't need to earn a lot to lead a rich life.
  - realitychecker9 7y ago
    "Once you own a home outright, and health insurance is taken care of, the other expenses are completely manageable. I don't need to earn a lot to lead a rich life." That is the checklist of a rich person, own home outright, health insurance taken care of, and manageable other expenses. If you were the same age, but had no home ownership, no health insurance, and dependants how would that change your perspective?
    - o-__-o 7y ago
      You can buy a home for $50k in Pittsburgh, I would argue that doesn’t make you rich. You can keep a very easy job (think Starbucks) and your health insurance is taken care of. If you live a modest life your expenses are manageable. Maybe your definition of rich is incorrect?
      - rbavocadotree 7y ago
        Maybe you forget how many hours are in a day? After 40h a week at starbucks you can't consult, teach, sit on multiple boards, and program everyday. Also, I've worked as a barista. My high paying tech job is waaaay easier.
mantas 7y ago
I'm in somewhat opposite situation. Spent a good chunk of my 20s like that. Keeping my costs low, working more during winters (but still nowhere close to full time), spending most of the summer time riding bicycles and visiting music festivals. Ended up doing 180 on this due to "adult life" responsibilities but I plan to turn this into 360 sooner or later. Could I have easier time now if I would have been working more a decade ago? Probably. But if I travelled back in time, I wouldn't change anything for less than guaranteed very cushy fuck-you money.
mertnesvat 7y ago
Your answer is very inspiring and also perfect example for youngsters to understand money and productivity are not the only things that matters in life. I had a similar junction in my life and I selected money instead of pursuing family and academic life, now I'm starting to think maybe wasn't a good decision. I'm getting older (38) Do you mind if I ask did you also quit your job to pursue Phd? Nowadays started working on my old projects, ideas and realised this is the only stuff that I'm enjoyed right now!
- sriram_malhar 7y ago
  Yes, I did. At the age of 42! Funny you should ask. I posted about my experience in a recent thread a few weeks back. Search for my user name here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21299546 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21299546
  - exdsq 7y ago
    I read and really liked your story about going to Cambridge when you first posted it. Did you find a PhD helped you find more interesting gigs?
    - sriram_malhar 7y ago
      Yes. I worked on the Bloom language at Berkeley. I am teaching now at a Uni. These wouldn't have been possible without a PhD.
  - mertnesvat 7y ago
    Yes indeed, I've read with enthusiasm :) Thanks for sharing, I want to congratulate you and your wife because I assume as we get older big changes like quitting job, moving to another country or even moving to another house is getting harder to decide. But I guess hard choices are mostly fruitful in the long run.
    - sriram_malhar 7y ago
      Ha, thanks! Some choices are hard because of uncertainty and fear of the unknonwn. People live through terrible relationships, suffer terrible commutes, work in soul-sucking places etc and are yet unable to quit because the alterntives are less defined. While I have enough finances to be comfortable (and reduce uncertainty), I don't know of anyone personally who has made the choices I have, even though many are vastly richer than I. They continue to grumble about expenses and commutes and health issues. Middle class people vastly overestimate how much they really need, and peg their lifestyles to that bar, often at the cost of everything dear. I have a very simple approach. I ask "What's the worst that can happen? Will this affect me next year?". I find that once I quantify it, most fears just melt away. Say my laptop gets stolen and everything in it is irretrievable. No backup, say. What's the worst? It would be a royal pain to get back my life, but by this time next year, I'd be just fine. Moving to a different country to do a PhD? What's the worst? I'll perform badly and get chucked out, and I will return and get another job. Five years from now it would be a fine story to regale my friends with. Sorry. I'm getting wordier as I grow older!
christiansakai 7y ago
I am 32 now. I am inspired to read this. I still need to get over the fact that I am not making anywhere near a FAANG engineer.
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- SkyPuncher 7y ago
  You're also likely not paying as much for living either.
  - balfirevic 7y ago
    The difference barely matters for the discrepancy between regular and FAANG salaries.
  - christiansakai 7y ago
    I live in NYC (cries in the corner)
- o-__-o 7y ago
  I was you, 5 years later I am working at a FAANG making 400k/yr Mind you I was making only 80k less at my last job, a non-FAANG startup. So not saying FAANG is everything, but the workload is sufficiently less than the mad max startup lifestyle.
  - kamaal 7y ago
    In your case your pay increased 5 times too. Who wouldn't want such a life.
    - bad_news_bears 7y ago
      FWIW, they mentioned their previous job’s pay was only 80k less, not absolute.
  - 7y ago
rpastuszak 7y ago
First, thank you for your answer. Second: > I have never learnt the art of work-life balance, but now I'm able to amortise it over the course of a year! I took a similar approach and realised that with my attitude towards work I'd need to reduce the contract lengths to a week max, which is obviously impossible, unless I switch careers completely. What I find really hard is to maintain a work-life balance in my _everyday_ life. I don't mind and occasional crunch—in fact to me it's something equally exciting and addictive. I keep switching between being excited, frustrated or depressed (bored). It's something I'm trying to work on and recognise some of its triggers, but keep failing, miserably.
- dapperAF 7y ago
  This sounds like an emotional or energetic balance problem. Would you care to go into more detail? I have had the problems for a number of years, but the fluctuations (appear to) be decreasing.
smrr723 7y ago
> That means, infrequent brutal deadlines, minimal (pref. zero) commute, opportunity to learn, and spend time with family and friends and be of use to society at large. This is what I'm aiming for in the near term, but how on earth do you find a position with infrequent brutal deadlines?
- mepiethree 7y ago
  I have had exactly two hard deadlines in the two years I've worked at my current startup. One of those was brutal but the other was very fair. I don't know if I have a trick for finding a position like this other than to pay close attention to who your manager will be and what _they_ value. My manager believes strongly in the mission of the company (decarbonize the electric grid) but also has young kids that he cares a lot about. He left big tech to work here. So his passion and his work life balance both "trickle down."
  - jlevers 7y ago
    If you don't mind me asking, who do you work for?
    - mepiethree 7y ago
      I sent you an email
- sriram_malhar 7y ago
  I have not found one. That's mostly my fault. I try to jump in whole when I'm getting stuff done. What I meant to say earlier is that in a consulting lifestyle, one gets to choose how soon to move to the next gig. For me, it is always a few months between gigs, so the average number of deadlines per year is low :)
- username90 7y ago
  I work for Google and have never had a deadline during my years there. I tend to set up my own goals, sometimes I meet them and other times I don't, but nobody has held me to any dates.
brightball 7y ago
You’re describing the reason I wanted to transition into developer management for so long - to be in a position to have the conversations that will prevent the type of environments that create burnout. So far, it’s working but it’s not as easy at it should be. I do work for a company where I legitimately care about the mission, the company and it’s impact but I get most of my sense of purpose from taking care of my team.
- sriram_malhar 7y ago
  Your colleagues are lucky to have you.
- pier25 7y ago
  I did that for a couple of years and it didn't work for me. I ended up quitting after a couple of years out of frustration. In part because big decisions were taken unilaterally without consulting other departments outside of management and sales so I couldn't really protect my team.
MarioKurt 7y ago
I enjoy your sentence, "Clients remember you for the quality, not for the time taken."
StacyRoberts 7y ago
I made exactly the same choice after the dot com boom. I have a wonderful rich life with less money but very high quality of life and more than anything, freewill, compared to peers. Highly recommended. The most valuable things to me are love first and time second. The benefits of freedom to be good and feel good about what I do are immeasurable.
mark_l_watson 7y ago
Thanks for sharing that, good example! I have done well in my career, but for 20+ years working for large companies, I took Mondays off every week and had HR/accounting only pay me 80% of my salary. Later when I was a consultant, I would also take long periods off, like you do. I left money on the table, and I am fine with that.
- sriram_malhar 7y ago
  Me too!!. As I said I was burnt out, but it wasn't an instantaneous quitting. I was offered a promotion to the of an engineering manager, and I counter-offered that I'd take Fridays off with no change in pay. Best goddamn decision ever. Every week followed by a three-day weekend! The downside is that you quickly find out how redundant you are when it comes to meetings and decisions taken! It took a few months to get used to the new reality. I did that for a year before circumstances changed dramatically (friend and mentor passed away in 9/11). But even if that hadn't happened, I was quite frayed by the industry attitude, the sheer pace without any rigor or thought. I mean not just about engineering, but about the kind of systems being developed and their effect on society. Edit: Hey you are that Mark Watson! Truly love your blog!
  - mark_l_watson 7y ago
    Glad you like my blog!
dsewnr 7y ago
Good story. I'm just considering to change my career to seek a new job for work-life balance.

tarsinge 7y ago

> I have never learnt the art of work-life balance, but now I'm able to amortise it over the course of a year! Thats interesting, I will try to follow your experience.

debaserab2 7y ago

It's inspiring reading this. In many ways, I feel I'm on a similar track. The thing I struggle with the most, though, is keeping up with the trends. I tend to do things the same way I did them years ago -- and while these are battle-tested methods of doing things that I know will work, I'm aware that the industry is evolving and maybe I'm not keeping pace. The older I get the more I see patterns repeat themselves and I'm less interested in learning about the latest trend. I seem to be more passionate about other activities than I am about tech -- especially when I was in my 20's -- and I am concerned I'll eventually become obsolete. How do you stay motivated to learn tech?

sriram_malhar 7y ago
One is by teaching and giving talks. I too see patterns repeat themselves, so I try to boil the latest trend down to what is genuinely new. Clients are particularly happy to be ELI5'd. Second, my interest is burrowing down into the underlying mathematics and formalisms. This frees you from having to chase trends at the superficial level (React vs Vue, for example). I went for a PhD in my dotage just to up my game (see my comment history for a recent thread where I described my experience). Third, I got disillusioned with working for BIG Software and their clients. But smaller companies and organisations and NGOs have got interesting problems to solve, but can't afford talent. Here you get to do build the entire thing on your own, and it is an art to make it simple and aesthetic and a pleasure to use; you get to use lots of relatively new and free technologies, without putting the client's business at risk.
brianmcc 7y ago
I can relate to this. Given a choice between tech I know works, and tech which is "trendy", I find it hard to take a punt on the new stuff. I do feel it's OK to require new tech to prove itself though and I am quite happy to keep it at arms length until it's earned its stripes - while recognising it can take years for the hype cycle to play out.
mike_hock 7y ago
I don't find it hard to find motivation to learn something that has genuinely new concepts to teach me. But I can't motivate myself to keep up with fads, or to learn bad technologies just because all the lemmings are running toward them right now.

artificialLimbs 7y ago

This is great. As a new (1 year) coder starting out at 39 years old, this sounds very similar to the path I envision for myself. Thanks for the inspiration!

adventured 7y ago
What language/s are you starting out in (if you don't mind answering)?
- artificialLimbs 7y ago
  My path started with my wife coming to me with a unique gold-mine of a video game idea, so I started learning C# and Unity. Quickly realized that I needed and wanted to learn more programming, so started OSSU and did the Python course. Had a kid, then decided to fast track to get a decent paying job, and so switched to ODIN project. Have learned web (HTML/JS/CSS) and am learning Ruby/Rails stuff there. Have done some PHP + API integration work on the side for my local fixed wireless ISP, the owner of which is a good friend and former boss of mine.
  - TurkishPoptart 7y ago
    Congrats!

rhlsthrm 7y ago

Are you a consultant then? What type of projects do you do and how do you find clients? This is something I'd love to do once my current gig is done.

sriram_malhar 7y ago
I consult, I teach (distributed systems) at a university, I sit on a few technical advisory boards for a few companies. I don't really go out of my way to find clients; word gets around and I get referrals. If the problem interests me, I'm happy to sit with the potential client and give pointers and advice (for no charge) even if I don't want to take that project (cf. rule 1 -- never pack my calendar). It is a win-win. I've also gone and worked for a postdoc salary (at Berkeley, on the Bloom language) because the project was so interesting. Once you own a home outright, and health insurance is taken care of, the other expenses are completely manageable. I don't need to earn a lot to lead a rich life.
- realitychecker9 7y ago
  "Once you own a home outright, and health insurance is taken care of, the other expenses are completely manageable. I don't need to earn a lot to lead a rich life." That is the checklist of a rich person, own home outright, health insurance taken care of, and manageable other expenses. If you were the same age, but had no home ownership, no health insurance, and dependants how would that change your perspective?
  - o-__-o 7y ago
    You can buy a home for $50k in Pittsburgh, I would argue that doesn’t make you rich. You can keep a very easy job (think Starbucks) and your health insurance is taken care of. If you live a modest life your expenses are manageable. Maybe your definition of rich is incorrect?
    - rbavocadotree 7y ago
      Maybe you forget how many hours are in a day? After 40h a week at starbucks you can't consult, teach, sit on multiple boards, and program everyday. Also, I've worked as a barista. My high paying tech job is waaaay easier.

mantas 7y ago

I'm in somewhat opposite situation. Spent a good chunk of my 20s like that. Keeping my costs low, working more during winters (but still nowhere close to full time), spending most of the summer time riding bicycles and visiting music festivals. Ended up doing 180 on this due to "adult life" responsibilities but I plan to turn this into 360 sooner or later. Could I have easier time now if I would have been working more a decade ago? Probably. But if I travelled back in time, I wouldn't change anything for less than guaranteed very cushy fuck-you money.

mertnesvat 7y ago

Your answer is very inspiring and also perfect example for youngsters to understand money and productivity are not the only things that matters in life. I had a similar junction in my life and I selected money instead of pursuing family and academic life, now I'm starting to think maybe wasn't a good decision. I'm getting older (38) Do you mind if I ask did you also quit your job to pursue Phd? Nowadays started working on my old projects, ideas and realised this is the only stuff that I'm enjoyed right now!

sriram_malhar 7y ago
Yes, I did. At the age of 42! Funny you should ask. I posted about my experience in a recent thread a few weeks back. Search for my user name here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21299546 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21299546
- exdsq 7y ago
  I read and really liked your story about going to Cambridge when you first posted it. Did you find a PhD helped you find more interesting gigs?
  - sriram_malhar 7y ago
    Yes. I worked on the Bloom language at Berkeley. I am teaching now at a Uni. These wouldn't have been possible without a PhD.
- mertnesvat 7y ago
  Yes indeed, I've read with enthusiasm :) Thanks for sharing, I want to congratulate you and your wife because I assume as we get older big changes like quitting job, moving to another country or even moving to another house is getting harder to decide. But I guess hard choices are mostly fruitful in the long run.
  - sriram_malhar 7y ago
    Ha, thanks! Some choices are hard because of uncertainty and fear of the unknonwn. People live through terrible relationships, suffer terrible commutes, work in soul-sucking places etc and are yet unable to quit because the alterntives are less defined. While I have enough finances to be comfortable (and reduce uncertainty), I don't know of anyone personally who has made the choices I have, even though many are vastly richer than I. They continue to grumble about expenses and commutes and health issues. Middle class people vastly overestimate how much they really need, and peg their lifestyles to that bar, often at the cost of everything dear. I have a very simple approach. I ask "What's the worst that can happen? Will this affect me next year?". I find that once I quantify it, most fears just melt away. Say my laptop gets stolen and everything in it is irretrievable. No backup, say. What's the worst? It would be a royal pain to get back my life, but by this time next year, I'd be just fine. Moving to a different country to do a PhD? What's the worst? I'll perform badly and get chucked out, and I will return and get another job. Five years from now it would be a fine story to regale my friends with. Sorry. I'm getting wordier as I grow older!

christiansakai 7y ago

I am 32 now. I am inspired to read this. I still need to get over the fact that I am not making anywhere near a FAANG engineer.

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SkyPuncher 7y ago
You're also likely not paying as much for living either.
- balfirevic 7y ago
  The difference barely matters for the discrepancy between regular and FAANG salaries.
- christiansakai 7y ago
  I live in NYC (cries in the corner)
o-__-o 7y ago
I was you, 5 years later I am working at a FAANG making 400k/yr Mind you I was making only 80k less at my last job, a non-FAANG startup. So not saying FAANG is everything, but the workload is sufficiently less than the mad max startup lifestyle.
- kamaal 7y ago
  In your case your pay increased 5 times too. Who wouldn't want such a life.
  - bad_news_bears 7y ago
    FWIW, they mentioned their previous job’s pay was only 80k less, not absolute.
- 7y ago

rpastuszak 7y ago

First, thank you for your answer. Second: > I have never learnt the art of work-life balance, but now I'm able to amortise it over the course of a year! I took a similar approach and realised that with my attitude towards work I'd need to reduce the contract lengths to a week max, which is obviously impossible, unless I switch careers completely. What I find really hard is to maintain a work-life balance in my _everyday_ life. I don't mind and occasional crunch—in fact to me it's something equally exciting and addictive. I keep switching between being excited, frustrated or depressed (bored). It's something I'm trying to work on and recognise some of its triggers, but keep failing, miserably.

dapperAF 7y ago
This sounds like an emotional or energetic balance problem. Would you care to go into more detail? I have had the problems for a number of years, but the fluctuations (appear to) be decreasing.

smrr723 7y ago

> That means, infrequent brutal deadlines, minimal (pref. zero) commute, opportunity to learn, and spend time with family and friends and be of use to society at large. This is what I'm aiming for in the near term, but how on earth do you find a position with infrequent brutal deadlines?

mepiethree 7y ago
I have had exactly two hard deadlines in the two years I've worked at my current startup. One of those was brutal but the other was very fair. I don't know if I have a trick for finding a position like this other than to pay close attention to who your manager will be and what _they_ value. My manager believes strongly in the mission of the company (decarbonize the electric grid) but also has young kids that he cares a lot about. He left big tech to work here. So his passion and his work life balance both "trickle down."
- jlevers 7y ago
  If you don't mind me asking, who do you work for?
  - mepiethree 7y ago
    I sent you an email
sriram_malhar 7y ago
I have not found one. That's mostly my fault. I try to jump in whole when I'm getting stuff done. What I meant to say earlier is that in a consulting lifestyle, one gets to choose how soon to move to the next gig. For me, it is always a few months between gigs, so the average number of deadlines per year is low :)
username90 7y ago
I work for Google and have never had a deadline during my years there. I tend to set up my own goals, sometimes I meet them and other times I don't, but nobody has held me to any dates.

brightball 7y ago

You’re describing the reason I wanted to transition into developer management for so long - to be in a position to have the conversations that will prevent the type of environments that create burnout. So far, it’s working but it’s not as easy at it should be. I do work for a company where I legitimately care about the mission, the company and it’s impact but I get most of my sense of purpose from taking care of my team.

sriram_malhar 7y ago
Your colleagues are lucky to have you.
pier25 7y ago
I did that for a couple of years and it didn't work for me. I ended up quitting after a couple of years out of frustration. In part because big decisions were taken unilaterally without consulting other departments outside of management and sales so I couldn't really protect my team.

MarioKurt 7y ago

I enjoy your sentence, "Clients remember you for the quality, not for the time taken."

StacyRoberts 7y ago

I made exactly the same choice after the dot com boom. I have a wonderful rich life with less money but very high quality of life and more than anything, freewill, compared to peers. Highly recommended. The most valuable things to me are love first and time second. The benefits of freedom to be good and feel good about what I do are immeasurable.

mark_l_watson 7y ago

Thanks for sharing that, good example! I have done well in my career, but for 20+ years working for large companies, I took Mondays off every week and had HR/accounting only pay me 80% of my salary. Later when I was a consultant, I would also take long periods off, like you do. I left money on the table, and I am fine with that.

sriram_malhar 7y ago
Me too!!. As I said I was burnt out, but it wasn't an instantaneous quitting. I was offered a promotion to the of an engineering manager, and I counter-offered that I'd take Fridays off with no change in pay. Best goddamn decision ever. Every week followed by a three-day weekend! The downside is that you quickly find out how redundant you are when it comes to meetings and decisions taken! It took a few months to get used to the new reality. I did that for a year before circumstances changed dramatically (friend and mentor passed away in 9/11). But even if that hadn't happened, I was quite frayed by the industry attitude, the sheer pace without any rigor or thought. I mean not just about engineering, but about the kind of systems being developed and their effect on society. Edit: Hey you are that Mark Watson! Truly love your blog!
- mark_l_watson 7y ago
  Glad you like my blog!

dsewnr 7y ago

Good story. I'm just considering to change my career to seek a new job for work-life balance.