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There are five regional internet registries (RIRs), and Ripe NCC is one of them. Here's a map of which services what region[0] Does this mean we've finally run
by amingilani 7y ago
There are five regional internet registries (RIRs), and Ripe NCC is one of them. Here's a map of which services what region[0]
Does this mean we've finally run out of new allocatable IPv4 addresses with the RIRs?
[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Internet_registry#/media/File:Regional_Internet_Registries_world_map.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Internet_registry#/me...
- eb0la 7y agoARIN (North America) and APNIC (Asia-Pacific) ran out of addresses some time ago (2015 I guess). Game over IPv4.
- Dagger2 7y agoAfriNIC still have space. They're expected to run out sometime before the end of January (20% chance) to the end of April (90% chance) next year.
- dylz 7y agoThey're making some seriously questionable allocations, for example nearly /9 or /10 of v4 to a Hong Kong company that has zero connections to anything in the Afrinic region, that appears to almost all be announced in Los Angeles and running proxies, with the rest being used for fraud/spam. I'm wondering how much justification validation they are actually doing, or if something worse is going on.
- unglaublich 7y agoWell, that sounds like awfully little validation. I guess they are in good company with the rest of the world then.
- gruez 7y ago>or if something worse is going on. given the recent corruption allegations with PIR/ICANN, I wouldn't be surprised if it was corruption.
- mrb 7y agoSo out of the five RIRs: - APNIC ran out - ARIN ran out - RIPE NCC just ran out - AfriNIC is expected to run out in 2020 - LACNIC is expected to run out in May 2020 https://www.lacnic.net/1039/1/lacnic/ipv4-depletion-phases https://www.lacnic.net/1039/1/lacnic/ipv4-depletion-phases
- jandrese 7y agoAll it means is the free lunch is over and people have to start buying their IPs off of an informal market. Theoretically we could have transitioned to IPv6 instead and avoided this hassle, but too many incumbents are dragging their feet on the whole IPv6 issue.
- tgvaughan 7y agoDo any of these incumbents stand to gain financially from IPv4 scarcity?
- snuxoll 7y agoYes, Residential ISP's can sell or lease their space to AWS, etc. for example and just start moving their customers over to CGNAT. Why bother upgrading your entire network, planning allocations, etc when you can just NAT everyone for cheap?
- freedomben 7y agoCan confirm this is happening. If you're lucky enough to have a choice in ISP, there are a few that won't CGNAT you. I pay a little extra for this ($10 a month) but it's worth it for me. Ask your ISP if that sounds interesting.
- flatiron 7y agoIs that really a feasible long term solution though? I require port forwarding and also work from home so require my service not get blocked due to some spammer on my block.
- wlesieutre 7y agoI’m sure your ISP would love to sell you a business connection for 3x the price
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- 300bps 7y agoGame over IPv4. There's still a lot of waste that can be reclaimed before it's game over for IPv4. For just two examples - both Ford Motor Company and Prudential Securities are currently assigned over 16.7 million public IPv4 addresses each. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assigned_/8_IPv4_address_blocks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assigned_/8_IPv4_addre... So do Apple, AT&T, the U.S. Postal Service and others.
- SAI_Peregrinus 7y agoAT&T is an ISP, with millions of customers. I'd expect them to need a /8, or more.
- _-david-_ 7y agoApple and USPS are not ISPs. It doesn't seem like they need a /8 though.
- kitteh 7y agoComically when Apple would setup a store they'd ask their isps to provide an allocation rather than dip into their allocation.
- jandrese 7y agoFrom a global routing perspective this makes sense. Otherwise every store has to advertise its netblock on BGP. Not impossible, but it bloats the routing table unnecessarily. Better for Apple to keep those addresses on its campus and let the stores connect like regular Internet endpoints. Even better would be for Apple to return most of those addresses and only use a handful of /16s for its hosted services like any other business and switch the internal nets to RFC1918.
- cornishpixels 7y agoAT&T (the ISP's) allocations are to AT&T Corp, not AT&T Services.
- Havoc 7y agoSoooo...raiding party to Africa then? They're pretty low too though >AFRINIC has no more than one /11 of non-reserved IPv4