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> The author is also quite spiteful about it Sadly this is more or less the norm and in my eyes the source of the large disconnect between people who believe i

> The author is also quite spiteful about it Sadly this is more or less the norm and in my eyes the source of the large disconnect between people who believe in things like "linux desktop is for everyone" and actual average users. Nobody wants to read a long principled rant when they're looking to actually use their computer.

benhurmarcel 7y ago
I agree this gives a bad image, but the average user isn't going to use Sway. It doesn't affect most Linux users by far.
- krageon 7y ago
  It's a symptom of the culture, not the big driver of that culture.
canofbars 7y ago
No developer wants to deal with bug reports due to a buggy proprietary driver they have no ability to change.
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- krageon 7y ago
  If you don't want to deal with stupid bug reports then you'll have a big problem developing any software that a large group of people interact with.
  - kelnos 7y ago
    Yes, but the dynamic changes considerably when you're a one-person team doing it for free in your spare time. Companies that build software can afford to hire dedicated people to deal with particular hardware configurations, and usually make revenue-based decisions on what to support. One-person shops only have what they have. Why does nvidia get the pass here? They've decided not to support the standardized graphics driver interface that Wayland needs to work. They certainly have the money and developers to do so if they wanted to. Presumably they've made a decision not to based on (lack of) expected revenue. Why would you begrudge an unpaid volunteer to make a similar decision about what to support in their own software?
chungus_khan 7y ago
The average user would probably appreciate a driver experience most similar to Mac OS, and such an experience is available on Linux for non-nvidia graphics hardware because other vendors cooperate with standards.

benhurmarcel 7y ago

I agree this gives a bad image, but the average user isn't going to use Sway. It doesn't affect most Linux users by far.

krageon 7y ago
It's a symptom of the culture, not the big driver of that culture.

canofbars 7y ago

No developer wants to deal with bug reports due to a buggy proprietary driver they have no ability to change.

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krageon 7y ago
If you don't want to deal with stupid bug reports then you'll have a big problem developing any software that a large group of people interact with.
- kelnos 7y ago
  Yes, but the dynamic changes considerably when you're a one-person team doing it for free in your spare time. Companies that build software can afford to hire dedicated people to deal with particular hardware configurations, and usually make revenue-based decisions on what to support. One-person shops only have what they have. Why does nvidia get the pass here? They've decided not to support the standardized graphics driver interface that Wayland needs to work. They certainly have the money and developers to do so if they wanted to. Presumably they've made a decision not to based on (lack of) expected revenue. Why would you begrudge an unpaid volunteer to make a similar decision about what to support in their own software?

chungus_khan 7y ago

The average user would probably appreciate a driver experience most similar to Mac OS, and such an experience is available on Linux for non-nvidia graphics hardware because other vendors cooperate with standards.