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ICE has kept British family with their 3-month-old baby detained for days
- Cenk 7y agoNon-paywalled reporting from The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/15/uk-family-arrested-in-us-for-inadvertently-crossing-border https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/15/uk-family-ar...
- wlkr 7y agoUnfortunately, the Guardian article is missing some information from the Washington Post link. Chiefly, that Canada rejected their return and the suspicious behaviour reported by US officers.
- nikanj 7y agohttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50067575 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50067575 And the fact they’d been denied entry
- Cenk 7y agoYou’re right, thanks for pointing that out
- bruceb 7y agoNot missing, selectively withheld. Including the full story reduces the clickbait. Many stories are presented in a way to create outrage, not actually present the story accurately.
- im3w1l 7y agoIt's curious how some people are the target of more outrage bait than others.
- disgruntledphd2 7y agoThe globe and mail were unable to confirm any of this, which is weird. It's also VERY unusual for a country to let tourists in and not have them back in this situation.
- nikanj 7y agoIt’s unclear how long they had been in Canada for. Maybe the Canadian border service also flagged them as a risk for illegal immigration?
- jacknews 7y agoAlthough it seems to only include the family's account of events. I've been nodding to many Guardian exposé, environmental, and social-justice stories the last couple of years, but felt they'd started to go too far recently. This is indicative, to me.
- stanski 7y agoNot to say that it's okay to detain people with an infant in reportedly (and believably) poor conditions this long but the whole story is very strange. They took a different road to avoid an animal? Was there a grizzly attacking their car or something? Then the Canadians refused to allow them back. Suspicious to say the least.
- rlpb 7y agoFrom https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50067575 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50067575: "David Connors, 30, and his wife Eileen, 24, said they were travelling with their young baby and family members - two more adults and young twins - on 3 October when, to avoid an animal, they veered on to a small road. But CBP said that remote video surveillance captured the vehicle crossing a ditch before pulling back on to a road in Lynden, Washington state, and continuing west. The group was pulled over by a border patrol agent shortly after. The occupants were arrested for illegally entering the US without inspection. During processing, records revealed the two adults that had previously been denied access to the US, CBP said on Tuesday."
- egdod 7y agoIf it’s not ok to detain them, what are the border guards supposed to do? Release them into the country and just hope that they show up for their hearing?
- cperciva 7y agoI don't know the full story here, but there's more going on than the family is claiming. The first thing the American border guards tried to do when this family "accidentally" entered the USA was to return them to Canada, but Canadian border officials denied them re-entry: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-british-family-who-crossed-us-border-while-vacationing-in-bc-to-be/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/arti...
- jdsully 7y agoThey were also denied entry to the US on a prior occasion. Very strange indeed.
- kube-system 7y agoand they were carrying $16,000 in cash?
- mister_hn 7y agoIf you are going to some Apple Store, you need them, especially if you're looking for a Mac Pro
- colejohnson66 7y agoWhy would you pay for a Mac Pro in cold hard cash?
- mister_hn 7y agohas you ever asked yourself why those small-market/street-food owners drive a Mercedes AMG/Porsche? Do you think they paid using a Bank account? On my daily routine I see plenty of people who magically drive luxury cars even with jobs that, on paper. would require probably ~50 years of more to accumulate the required amount of money to buy such a luxury.
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- avgeek23 7y agoWhy is such treatment being dolled out to citizens on other countries,wasn't this baby seperation thing only reserved for Mexicans and those who crossed form the south.
- KKPMW 7y agoOfficers separate kids from adults committing a crime. i.e. if someone was stealing a car and had a child beside them - the child would be separated after the arrest. In the same way when someone comes to the country illegally they are committing a crime and kids are separated to ensure their safety. It has nothing to do with "being Mexican".
- derision 7y agoThe baby never separated from the mother. Only the father was separated from the two. And reading the other comments, it sounds like this family aren't being entirely truthful with their story.
- jacknews 7y agoDid they have a return flight back to UK from Canada? If true, why were they carrying $16k, and was it USD or CAD? Obviously Canada's alleged refusal to re-admit them needs an official statement (and explanation) too, why did WaPo not follow that up? Are their identities real? I guess only the courts will flush out anything even resembling the actual course of events in this post-truth era.
- someonehere 7y agoFrom everything being described this looks like an entire waste of money moving them around to different places and housing them. Have you ever seen the government run something effectively ?
- kstenerud 7y ago"The Connors family says it didn’t plan to be on the unmarked road. The two couples and their three young children were driving near the U.S.-Canada border on Oct. 3 during a visit to Vancouver when an animal ventured into the road, forcing them to make an unexpected detour." "U.S. authorities disputed the family’s version of events, saying they were spotted via video surveillance “slowly and deliberately driving through a ditch onto Boundary Road in Lynden, Washington” between parallel roadways on the U.S. and Canadian sides. The roads are not connected by cross streets, and the only legal way to traverse between the countries is at staffed border stations throughout the region." I lived for many years in Vancouver, and there is no road connecting Canada and the USA without a checkpoint until you hit the logging roads in the Rockies (a 3 hour drive East). It's not possible to cross over to Boundary road without driving off-road.
- ndonnellan 7y agoRight about here it looks like you could drive across a ditch and into America, no apparent fence. 245-255 E Boundary Rd https://goo.gl/maps/a3fvQ5Xd7J71mkx7A https://goo.gl/maps/a3fvQ5Xd7J71mkx7A
- kstenerud 7y agoYes, you can cross via a ditch.
- aidenn0 7y agoI could totally see someone thinking this was a divided highway and saying "Oh shit I'm on the wrong side of the road." Especially since in the UK a double-yellow line marks a curb (specifically what in the US would be called a "no standing zone") rather than dividing the centre of the road. So there is a plausible (if stupid) reason why they might have crossed, but things are still suspicious.
- ycombonator 7y agoCanada would not accept them and their previous Visa waivers to the US got denied. There is more to this than the clickbait title let’s on.
- code4tee 7y agoIt would appear there is a lot more to the story than the headlines imply. For example evidence disputes their account of how they ended up in the US and the fact that they previously tried to enter the US and were denied for reasons not fully clear. I’m ignoring the sensationalist headlines for now until the full story comes out. ICE may have some challenges but they’re not just rounding up nice wholesome British families and throwing them in the slammer for no reason.
- fxleach 7y agoStop pushing this story with this ridiculously click-baited title. More like "ICE detains family crossing border illegally with $16k in cash, previously denied entry".
- sct202 7y agoWhile it is very suspicious what's happened, I've ridden with people who have inadvertently offloaded on to bike paths and continued to drive as if nothing was wrong.
- shekhardesigner 7y agoIf only ICE/CBP could release the video where they caught them trespassing. Feels like the family wants to gain emotional support through three months old child saga. I side solely with ICE in this particular case, that they didn't simply offer a 'Return back' option. Common, if ICE starts to do that - there will be a handful flux of people giving it a try hoping that if they were caught - they can simply return back. Expecting a catered service in the detention center is overboard. Government run facilities, over-crowded all the time, they got a family detention center, not an ordinary one itself should make them feel safer. I am assuming the British family is trying to use the white privilege. Whole 16K cash in hand story and two families blah blah - there is way more to the story.
- algaeontoast 7y agoIf I over stayed my visa in most of Europe, especially in Turkey or Russia why would you expect a different outcome? If you break the law there are consequences - welcome to the real world...
- siffland 7y agoI am confused, they are angry what the American government has done to them. What were they supposed to do. Canada will not let them reenter, they had been denied entry to the US so it is not like they were going to just release them to run around the US after illegally entering, and the UK is being slow about the deportation. The family is still together and they didn't remove the child. Were they supposed to be put in a 5 star hotel? People complain about the condition when they illegally cross into the US (I am from southern Texas and have a lot of exposure to this), but just image the conditions if you got caught illegally crossing into say Russia, or China, or Iran.
- stickfigure 7y agoI think the point is that some of us don't like the US turning into Russia, China, or Iran.
- pnw_hazor 7y agoThis type of stuff has been standard procedure for decades. EU citizens discovered to be out of status are routinely sent to the nearest detention center until they can get a flight home. There usually isn't any 'legal process' if the detainee voluntarily departs.
- RandomInteger4 7y agoHow the frick do you accidentally drive into the US?
- candiodari 7y agoThis is the road in question: https://www.google.com/maps/place/245-255+E+Boundary+Rd,+Lynden,+WA+98264,+USA/@48.9209199,-122.6485576,111370m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x5485c9e87c6d10fd:0xf8164860d3f96deb!8m2!3d49.0022112!4d-122.4770406 https://www.google.com/maps/place/245-255+E+Boundary+Rd,+Lyn... Now imagine a discussion with your wife, "Am I driving on the right side of the road", and ... Given the consequences of crossing the border, and the expense they went through to install border cameras you'd THINK they'd put up a small fence, or at least SOME marker. Nope.
- disgruntledphd2 7y agoThat road is crazy, especially for an international border. Mind you, it's not as bad as the Irish border, as the only way to determine you've crossed that is that Google maps changes its units.
- pandaman 7y agoYou can see a border marker (grey obelisk) if you switch to the street view on your map.
- candiodari 7y agoWhere ? I can't seem to find such an obelisk even for more than a few hundred meters forward.
- pandaman 7y agoI am on mobile, if I open your URL and hit "street view" I am looking in the opposite direction from the marker, I need to turn 180 to see it from that point. If I scroll the street view next to the marker it shows the address "256 E Boundary road".
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