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How is it that this guy still has no Nobel Prize?
by sudoaza 7y ago
How is it that this guy still has no Nobel Prize?
- thundergolfer 7y agoHe’d be deserving of a Turing Award too for his “Hierarchy of the Grammars”. Maybe would have been more likely to win it if he hadn’t discovered it 10 years before the award existed.
- bcaa7f3a8bbc 7y agoHow does Noam Chomsky's work on linguistic contribute to computer science? And are there applications? He is always described in the popular media as a "linguist", although many works seem to be directly related to formal language in computer science to me, but I'm not sure.
- incompatible 7y agoThe Chomsky hierarchy of grammars, Context-free, Context-sensitive etc., thus to regular expressions: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chomsky_hierarchy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chomsky_hierarchy
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- me_me_me 7y agoEver heard of compiler? Or computer language(s)? I first heard about Chompsky at the Uni when doing semester on compilers.
- justin66 7y ago> How does Noam Chomsky's work on linguistic contribute to computer science? And are there applications? This stuff is referenced in textbooks on compilers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chomsky_hierarchy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chomsky_hierarchy
- oh_sigh 7y agoNobel prize in what?
- mcv 7y agoThat's a good question, actually. Had a Nobel Prize in linguistics existed, he'd definitely deserve it. Computer Science arguably for the Chomsky hierarchy of formal languages, but again, there's no Nobel Prize for it. Political Science also has no Nobel Prize. Economics and Peace could be argued, but are probably a bit far-fetched. Maybe there should be a generalist Nobel Prize for people who contribute across many different fields.
- sudoaza 7y agoPeace, economics, awesomeness?
- new2628 7y agoTrue. If Obama got it, anyone can.
- Swenrekcah 7y agoI take your point but that was the peace prize which is different than a prize for some actual discoveries. It was a stupid decision but it’s been a long time and the references are getting tired.
- ulkesh 7y agoWow. Still kicking that can down the road, eh?
- Dirlewanger 7y agoI mean, is it not true? From a peacemaking perspective, Obama was largely W. Bush the Second i.e. not much of a peacemaker at all.
- mpiedrav 7y agoAwarding a Nobel Prize (e.g., Literature) is a political statement. The Nobel committee doesn't want to "shake the floor too much" (i.e., wants to avoid controversy with the American/European elites on key topics). Questioning the legitimacy of power by proxy is dangerous when protecting reputation.
- InfinityByTen 7y agoNobel in Literature, Peace and Economics are political statements.
- x220 7y agoYes, and they make "so brave" political statements like giving Obama a Peace prize, which to some has the appearance of controversy.
- arthurcolle 7y agoNobel Prize outside of the sciences is a total anachronism. Obama increased drone strikes by an order of magnitude compared to his immediate predecessor, compounding civilian deaths in an already tenuous situation, with civilian deaths still unrecorded in any meaningful manner, and yet he was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize. I voted for Obama to give you some context but still, it is a farce. This year, in another category, you have three winners who have "contributed" to the systematic analysis of poverty and solutions towards alleviating poverty. Glad they have their 1.5 million/3 each. I wonder what the truly impoverished would think about that. `Panem et circenses` for the elite, that's all this is. Revolution is coming, don't doubt it for a second.
- luckylion 7y agoI share your general sentiment, but to be fair the decision to honor Obama wasn't made with his actual policies in mind - they hadn't been enacted yet, he received the prize within his first year in office. I hope and do believe they wouldn't have awarded him any peace prize at the end of his second term.
- arthurcolle 7y agoThank you for mentioning that, because that actually reinforces the overall point more deeply - it speaks to the exact farcical nature of the act in question - the awarding of the highest, globally accepted award toward actions that are claimed to be geared toward the enacting of a peaceful world. This is obviously false, if you award a leader ostensibly on his initial actions, without any knowledge of what the next 3 years will hold. Awarding Obama a Nobel Peace Prize was a symbolic decision, meant to reinforce the notion that solving the racial issues in the USA would somehow have some kind of long-term effect on US politics, and indirectly, on global geopolitical activity (lol, that definitely worked out super well, looking back from 2020). Has anyone told the current US leadership that we were terrorists to our own set of oppressors, back in the day? Sorry, but this topic upsets me because no one seems to realize what all of these subtle actions really mean in the aggregate. Maybe I'm just a kook.
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- mmjaa 7y agoIsrael.
- raxxorrax 7y agoPortugal.
- cyborgx7 7y agoBecause of political bias. Just look at the introduction of the (fake) Nobel Prize for economics. It exists purely to legitimize a neoliberal economic ideology. Awarding Chomsky a Nobel Prize would undermine that goal.
- jacobush 7y agoAren't these orgs pretty independent from each other?
- coldtea 7y agoSupposedly "Independent" orgs play into the same wider networks all the time... Here's an example from an article posted yesterday. While one might not agree with the article's main premise regarding climate change not being real or anthropogenic (I, for one, don't), the mechanism described here is all too common across many areas of science, economics, politics, public policy, etc: "(...) many of the world’s major national academies of science (such as the Royal Society in the U.K., the National Academy of Sciences in the U.S.A and the Australian Academy of Science) persuaded themselves to issue reports giving support to the conclusions of the IPCC. The reports were touted as national assessments that were supposedly independent of the IPCC and of each other, but of necessity were compiled with the assistance of, and in some cases at the behest of, many of the scientists involved in the IPCC international machinations.(...)" That's how one can find and quote N "independent" studies and organizations approving something or verifying another, when, looking carefully there's a single, well funded, or politically well supported, central origin behind all of their "findings", and their "independent verification" is basically a high level re-telling of what was giving to them (with nobody bothering to run the numbers).
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- tomp 7y agoAbout as much as Sweden is an "independent" country (really just a US puppet, as we've seen in the Assange affair). (edit: Assange, not Snowden)
- anthonybsd 7y agoFor literature? Historically non-fiction titles that won Nobel prizes had a degree of artistic merit to them. Chomsky works are highly analytical, and it's hard to classify them as "literature" in a traditional sense.