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That statement also surprised me. In Germanic inheritance customs the sons took precedence before daughters and it is obvious that this leads to the sons taking

by ralfd 7y ago

That statement also surprised me. In Germanic inheritance customs the sons took precedence before daughters and it is obvious that this leads to the sons taking over the farm and land and to take care of daughters they had to be married off (instead of inheritance they got a dowry from their father). Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrilocal_residence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrilocal_residence

jacobush 7y ago
I wonder how Sweden (also Germanic) turned out so differently. (AFAIK, with the old Viking/premedieval laws giving women inheritance rights etc.)
- drak0n1c 7y ago
  Pagan Viking society entailed many sons going on trading and raiding expeditions, sometimes never to return. It was not uncommon for both father and son to leave on the same trip, and young men were often recruited or enslaved by passing ships. Given such an unpredictable environment, the best way to ensure stability and the continuation of the family estate was to grant inheritance rights to the women who stayed home. For those interested in a classic adventure novel set in that era, I recommend "The Long Ships" by Frans Bengtsson. The latest edition's foreword is written by Michael Chabon.
  - belorn 7y ago
    From the linked wikipedia article: "female contribution to subsistence does correlate significantly with matrilocal (as opposed to patrilocal) residence in general; however, this correlation is masked by a general polygyny factor" If you account for polygyny, the more women are involved in creating food the less likely they are to leave. A simple way to look at it is that parents invest time to teach one gender to support them at old age. If you invest time and energy to teach your sons the local methods to create food then you want them to stick around. If you invested same amount of time to teach local knowledge on both and one left then not only have you wasted half the time and effort but that local knowledge might not even be useful for the party that left. polygyny add an other layer on it as an increase in the female contribution to subsistence also increase the the probability for polygyny which in turn increase the probability for patrilocality. A bit of cynicism would explain this by saying that if women account for the majority of creating food then fewer men is needed, resulting in polygyny, which create an power imbalance as those men will be a blood relative to a significant larger number of children compared to any woman. To apply this then to vikings, if the men left to pillage then it must have been the women that worked the land and raised animals, which mean the they likely invested the time to teach their daughters to do the same and relied on them for support at old age.
- teunispeters 7y ago
  From studying this some : matrilineal property rights and ties before conversion era. (to give a vast oversimplification)

by ralfd 7y ago

jacobush 7y ago

I wonder how Sweden (also Germanic) turned out so differently. (AFAIK, with the old Viking/premedieval laws giving women inheritance rights etc.)

drak0n1c 7y ago
Pagan Viking society entailed many sons going on trading and raiding expeditions, sometimes never to return. It was not uncommon for both father and son to leave on the same trip, and young men were often recruited or enslaved by passing ships. Given such an unpredictable environment, the best way to ensure stability and the continuation of the family estate was to grant inheritance rights to the women who stayed home. For those interested in a classic adventure novel set in that era, I recommend "The Long Ships" by Frans Bengtsson. The latest edition's foreword is written by Michael Chabon.
- belorn 7y ago
  From the linked wikipedia article: "female contribution to subsistence does correlate significantly with matrilocal (as opposed to patrilocal) residence in general; however, this correlation is masked by a general polygyny factor" If you account for polygyny, the more women are involved in creating food the less likely they are to leave. A simple way to look at it is that parents invest time to teach one gender to support them at old age. If you invest time and energy to teach your sons the local methods to create food then you want them to stick around. If you invested same amount of time to teach local knowledge on both and one left then not only have you wasted half the time and effort but that local knowledge might not even be useful for the party that left. polygyny add an other layer on it as an increase in the female contribution to subsistence also increase the the probability for polygyny which in turn increase the probability for patrilocality. A bit of cynicism would explain this by saying that if women account for the majority of creating food then fewer men is needed, resulting in polygyny, which create an power imbalance as those men will be a blood relative to a significant larger number of children compared to any woman. To apply this then to vikings, if the men left to pillage then it must have been the women that worked the land and raised animals, which mean the they likely invested the time to teach their daughters to do the same and relied on them for support at old age.
teunispeters 7y ago
From studying this some : matrilineal property rights and ties before conversion era. (to give a vast oversimplification)