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Rockbox – Free music player firmware

295 points by mrzool 7y ago

bschne 7y ago
I‘ve been through the „I‘ll just use it as it comes from the factory“ -> „let me tweak every little thing about this and take it as far as I can“ -> ... cycle more times and with more devices than I care to admit. This was that moment with my old 30GB iPod, thanks for the trip down memory lane!
fbnlsr 7y ago
Rockbox + Sansa Clip+ is absolutely amazing. I wish mine was still alive :(
- PenguinCoder 7y ago
  This is precisely why I went with the Sansa Clips back in the day. They were inexpensive enough to replace easily if one broke, and RockBox gave them a lot more life. I still have a few of them laying around but haven't been used much anymore due to using streaming services.
  - pidg 7y ago
    I think I picked up my first Sansa Clip+ new for £15, and my second one (just after they were discontinued) for about £35. I imagine it's gone up again since then!
pathartl 7y ago
I fondly remember the days of loading this on my 4th gen iPod, having access to games and such. I think this sort of behavior should be embraced by manufacturers, but I get it; everything needs its own app store these days for a continuous stream of revenue.
DerpyBaby123 7y ago
I remember loading Rockbox on a Archos Jukebox back in the early 2000's[0] as being one of my first real exposures to using open source software. It was glorious, thanks for the hard work! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archos_Jukebox_series https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archos_Jukebox_series
- NelsonMinar 7y ago
  Me too!
- echelon 7y ago
  Same! At the time it was an exciting experience to replace the default firmware with Rockbox. There was some danger involved as there was the small potential of bricking the hardware. I was so nervous, because at the time I was too young to afford replacing hardware. It went smoothly and paid off. It was instructive in my eventual switch to Linux. Good times.
- ohlookarabbit 7y ago
  Exact same thing here. One could actually interact with the community very easily, the information was well organized and they made changes in the code visible on the front page of their website. I had other players afterwards, but since then it was always a requirement that it can run RockBox. I loved it especially for its playlist management. Thanks RockBox team!
- DannyB2 7y ago
  Yep. Had an early 2000(s) Jukebox, 10 GB I think, that I got on clearance at Target. I loved that thing and used it for several years. Being into open source, I discovered Rockbox and installed it. I was already using Linux. In fact, Linux compatibility was foremost on my mind (in those days) when looking at buying any hardware. I especially liked Archos earphones that hooked over the ears and wrapped around the back of the neck. I had to order multiple sets of those earphones separately. Alas, all things come to an end. It was replaced with an Archos 504 audio/video player with 80 GB. That was so cool too. I had to learn my ffmpeg settings to convert videos to play on it. Next, I figured out the format, and technique to put videos onto my flip phone (before smartphones). Cool, neato, but capacity was limited.
- jhpaul 7y ago
  Also me - My Jukebox 20 and building a computer were my first introductions to open source and hardware development.
nicolasp 7y ago
As a student I learned C and how OSS projects work through hacking Rockbox to add features to my iRiver H320. Fond memories and a very valuable learning experience.
- gbjw 7y ago
  Oh, I have fond memories of the H320 (it was released right around the time of the click-wheel iPod with the grayscale screen). I could watch movies on my portable music player in colour! My friends' minds were blown.
  - magduf 7y ago
    I still have my H320, though I haven't powered it on in years. I even replaced the battery (with an iPod battery, with the wires swapped on the connector), and I replaced the hard drive with a 30GB model. I also got some accessories for it: a dock for your desk, and also a remote control. It was great for listening to music on airplanes. I'm planning to try selling it on Ebay now, since I just use my phone now.
    - skore 7y ago
      That brings back memories! Installing Rockbox, switching the battery… I also found out later that you could get a ATA-to-CF Adapter and basically switch it to an SSD.
  - Fnoord 7y ago
    The great thing about the Iriver H340 (I had the 40 GB version) was that it could play MP3 and Ogg Vorbis. Also, everyone was running around with iPod with a few GB. I was laughing my ass off. RockBox was a little bit more friendly on the battery. I still use the USB OTG cable which came with my Iriver H340 (I gave the device itself away in 2008).
kop316 7y ago
I really wish I had more of the know how to make a Kickstarter/Crowd Supply for this. I imagine an mp3 player with native Rockbox support would be very popular, especially in the form factor of an iPod and/or a Sansa Clip.
- dfc 7y ago
  I thought the Clip or Clip+ was already supported.
  - kop316 7y ago
    They are, but they are no longer being manufactured. They have the Clip Zip/Sport, and Rockbox is no longer supported on them. I use a CLip Sport for workouts, but they are not nearly as good as the Clip+
- hiram112 7y ago
  I'd love to see this too and would be interested in funding it. I know that stand-alone mp3 players are a niche now that everyone carries a far more powerful phone. But there has to be enough support to make an open source Clip-like device profitable or at least break-even after costs. The hardware that ran early Clips, IPod shuffles, and other small players existed 15 years ago. A dozen Chinese manufacturers still sell small players, which now are about the only option left, but they skimp on quality components like batteries and decent software.
  - kop316 7y ago
    There are a bunch of niche ones still, they either go way low end or way high end. I have a FiiO X5 for my "regular" mp3 player and a Sansa Clip Sport for my workout one. Sadly, I work a daytime job and don't really have the time or will to actually capitalize on this. I do think that'd be a great way for Rockbox to fund themselves though. Make a Kickstarter with Rockbox officially supporting it, and the profits could go to the upkeep of rockbox.
    - 7y ago
epapsiou 7y ago
Remember using it a lot in mid 2000s. On iPod Mini and the HP Player. Also Sansa. IIRC , on iPod it let you play more codecs and then there were a few games thrown in. Loved it and that is what switched on my "change the native firmware" mode. Before this I did not know it could be done. I also realized how OEM hobble the hardware with restrictive firmware. Now I try not to buy Hardware (phones, routers etc) that can't be flashed with custom firmware.
neilsimp1 7y ago
I had both an Archos and a Cowon MP3 player back in Middle/High School that I loaded Rockbox onto one of (can't remember which). I remember being able to play Doom, watch pirated Family Guy, and listen to my music all on one device and thinking this was the pinnacle of technology.
- anotheryou 7y ago
  totally watched family guy on my cowon, too :)). Way before my first smartphone
jchw 7y ago
I used to run this on a Sansa Clip+. It was an amazing combination: great audio quality, expandable storage via microSD, playback of a huge array of formats natively, it ran DOOM, and it only costed around $40 when it was new. Now I just use my phone and streaming, but I sort of miss that era.
- namdnay 7y ago
  I had the same setup with a second hand Fuze I found on ebay. Awesome!
- hcs 7y ago
  I just picked up another Sansa Clip Zip, I tend to lose them or have them stolen, on the last one the buttons wore out due to playing Rockblox too much! Still my favorite media player with Rockbox. I had done an early port of NSF, SPC, and ADX players back when I had an iPod Photo, though I think the NSF one was redone since. I also did some work on a text-only wikipedia viewer that was fun to have, though never really shippable: https://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755 https://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755
  - hiram112 7y ago
    Haha, according to Amazon, I went through 10 clips in the last 10 years. They were the perfect music player for the gym or anywhere else you didn't want to use a bulky and far more expensive phone. That being said, about 3-4 years ago the quality really began to decline on the Clip models - not sure if they just changed their manufacturing place or what, but a lot of us fans were disappointed. There really are no good options anymore for a standalone small MP3 player. You've got bulky Iphones and Android, expensive IPads (the Shuffle was a good option 'till it was discontinued) and dozens off terrible Chinese knockoffs with poor battery and software*. I also miss the days when there were a dozen major companies competing in the portable music space. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=mp3+player&ref=nb_sb_noss_2 https://www.amazon.com/s?k=mp3+player&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
    - hcs 7y ago
      Yeah I picked up three of them at a Radio Shack that was clearing them out, all gone now. Most of the value of those would be in the 32 or 64GB microSD card I'd put in them! Most recent one is a refurb off eBay, but the battery is pretty poor.
conradfr 7y ago
I loved it on my Cowon iAudio X5. Sadly it was never available for my J3. Nowadays I use my phone and really miss the physical buttons that I could use blindly while it's in my bag.
electrotype 7y ago
I used Rockbox a lot, I even made my own build so I can configure some buttons to tigger specific actions. Sansa Clip+ with Rockbox has been my music player for a long time. The problem now is that mobile phones have killed multimedia players and it's hard to find new players with Rockbox support :-(
grenoire 7y ago
Oh man, Silk Icons in the navigation bar. This is true Web 2.0 nostalgia.
yowlingcat 7y ago
Used to run this on my old iPod 4G and later on iPod Video. Those were the days. Play whatever audio/video format you want, could run video games. Those were the days -- can't believe it was only 12 years ago.
squarefoot 7y ago
It run great for years on my two old Sansa Clip Zip, and now that the only barely surviving one is about to go (dead keys, defective phones connector, reduced battery life etc) and attempting to open it is a nearly destructive operation, Those of us who wouldn't use a cellphone for multiple reasons need an alternative, but most modern players are either costly due to being niche market products or can't run Rockbox for having not enough resources. I think Rockbox badly needs to be ported to other architectures. The cheap and powerful Esp32-WROVER modules (4MB Flash + 8MB PSRAM) could probably be a capable candidate, and i2s for the external DAC is already supported. Not an easy task though.
fb03 7y ago
Loved having Rockbox on my Toshiba Gigabeat F20. Ogg Vorbis playback, lots of battery time and stable as hell. Thank you for the trip down the memory lane.
rchaud 7y ago
Installed this on a now-ancient Toshiba Gigabeat 40GB MP3 player waay back in 2010. The default firmware and UI for a lot of non-iPod players were awful, despite having good hardware. Rockbox had DOS-like graphics but it's functionality was amazing. I remember installing it because I wanted to calculate how much battery life my 5-year old Toshiba had left. It actually had a counter where it'd play music till the battery died, and when you rebooted it, it'd show you exactly how long playback lasted. Really nifty feature.
dhagz 7y ago
I have this on an old iPod Video - easily the best media player I've ever had. I think this was my first exposure to the idea of running non-Apple firmware on Apple devices (loathe to call it a jailbreak, but it feels sorta like one).
shmerl 7y ago
Works well on Sansa Fuze+. Unlike the stock firmware, it can play Opus audio, which I always encode my portable collection to.
sikhnerd 7y ago
Much love for Rockbox. I used to run this on the iriver h120 and use it for amazing lossless recording on the cheap. This was one of the earliest things that got me interested in open source.
ZoomZoomZoom 7y ago
For those interested, it can run fine on currently produced AGPTRocker/Benjie T2, although it's not officially supported as of yet. More bulky than Sansa, but there's no options left anymore.
- kadoban 7y ago
  Would you mind linking to more info on either that device or its rockbox support? I'm having trouble telling if I'm looking at the right device with a different name or what. I'd love to have rockbox running again, my last player died years back. Unofficial support would be fine as long as it works decently well. EDIT: Found it, it's the AGPTEK Rocker v1 or v2 (same insides apparently), or also the Benjie T6. I could not find a T2 at all. Found from: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=52220.0 http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=52220.0
  - ZoomZoomZoom 7y ago
    Sorry, my bad. It's definitely Benjie T6. The most active thread is this one: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,51653.0.html http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,51653.0.html
    - kadoban 7y ago
      Nice! Yeah the thread sounds quite positive, from the skim I did. Sounds like not all functionality is working, but the basics seem to be. AGPTek seems to not be complying with the GPL, which bothers me, but I doubt I'll be able to resist the temptation to get rockbox working again.
temny 7y ago
I use Sansa Clip Zip with Rockbox daily and mostly for audiobooks. My favorite feature is possibility to increase playback speed while keeping pitch intact
altereg0 7y ago
This and an old iPod helped me get through rough times in the army. TY <3
- nemosaltat 7y ago
  Submariner here. Same, story. I made custom iPod minis with 64GB CF cards for several guys after they saw mine. (God can’t see through XX##)
  - dbrgn 7y ago
    Hah, I used a modded iPod Mini as well! I was awesome, especially playlist handling. And playing Doom on it.
miki123211 7y ago
I've used Rockbox since I was pretty much a child. It had pretty good accessibility support, and a sansa Clip + was an order of magnitude cheaper than all the players made specially for the blind. I remember being so proud of that purchase and my tech knowledge to actually install Rockbox onto the player. A lot of my friends were impressed that I could achieve something like that for such a low price. I remember using Balabolka[1] to convert text ebooks to mp3, with a speech synthesizer, and then reading those books on the Sansa, for the lack of a build-in TTS. I switched to streaming and reading on my phone in like 2014. I never looked back, though I still have the Sansa lying around on my desk. [1] http://cross-plus-a.com/balabolka.htm http://cross-plus-a.com/balabolka.htm
matthewn 7y ago
Still running Rockbox on an iPod Video for tunes in a car that doesn't speak Bluetooth but has an aux jack. Considering an upgrade, having recently discovered there are new devices that can run Rockbox, including this one: https://fiio.com/m3k https://fiio.com/m3k Hats off to the Rockbox developers. This project has been so solid for so long, I kinda take it for granted.
- sapphire_tomb 7y ago
  Heh - I helped out on the port to 80GB video which came with a rather odd ATA controller on it that didn't work with the first cut of the ATA driver that Rockbox had been shipping with before the 80GB model came along. Fun times. Still have loads of friends from the dev crowd, including Daniel Stenberg, who is better known for curl - but was also one of the original Rockbox hackers. :D
codeulike 7y ago
Had this back in the Archos days
theunamedguy 7y ago
I learned C and open-source through hacking on this. Fond memories! PS: We have a Quake port - https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginQuake https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginQuake :)
marpstar 7y ago
A few of my friends and I went on a FLAC kick back in the late '00s and I remember installing Rockbox on a Gen 4 or 5 iPod in order to play my FLAC files.
michaelmrose 7y ago
I still remember the neuros HD. - multiple swappable storage/battery backpackd - built in fm transmitter - Linux based firmware / iTunes like music management that was Linux native - mp3 ogg Flav support - radio support plus scheduled recording - Shazam like feature called "hear it see it" when plugged in - ridiculously long battery life In 2003
av500 7y ago
I "caused" Rockbox, being the original firmware developer for the Archos Jukebox 6000. apparently the firmware I wrote was so bad around playlist handling and our CEO unwilling to open source the code so that the boys and girls wrote their own. at times it was one of the rather large open source SW projects in terms of users, developers, testers, translators, doc writers. I'm kinda proud to have caused that :) AMA
- foldor 7y ago
  Very interesting. What was the development like for you? How much time did you have to do this? How experienced were you at the time? Were you ever upset to hear it wasn't loved by users, or was it something you were upset at having to release in it's state due to a fixed deadline?
  - av500 7y ago
    basically the "mp3 player engine" that was used by Archos (and a few other companies at that time, TerraTex M3PO, SSI NEO25/NEO35) was our first project out of high school, so the code is pretty bad looking at it today :) I was never angry about the fact that people preferred the alternative, given that with Archos we were running at breakneck speed to release a new product every year, constantly piling on more features for better or worse. there was little time to look back and reflect :)
    - av500 7y ago
      I was more upset that Archos took our original design with a 4 line LCD and a rotary encoder and reduced it to a single line and U/D/L/R buttons - missing the whole point of "all" your music with you, thus needing a way to browse it fast...
- codeulike 7y ago
  Haha. Hello, I had an Archos Jukebox 6000, in 2001 or so. From what I remember it was pretty awesome. The first MP3 player with a decent hard drive (available for some years before the iPod). I think my main niggle was that it was missing a 'play randomly from my whole collection' feature if I remember correctly. And I think there was a limitation to the length of a playlist so you couldn't just make a huge playlist and randomise that. Before rockbox there was some PC utility that would read the whole Jukebox file list and then generate a series of randomised playlists numbered 01 to 99 which covered everything. As such, a roundabout way of getting a global shuffle. In a way I think this is quite interesting, these days the idea of shuffling songs from your entire collection is very commonplace, but before large-capacity mp3 players people hadn't really thought of doing that before, so perhaps it never made it onto 'features people want' lists. Its obvious now, maybe it wasn't obvious then. Was there any thought given to a global shuffle feature?
Myrmornis 7y ago
ipod 5.5 80 Gig + Rockbox! Those days still beat today, when you don't have a good network connection for your phone with unlimited data. I wrote this software for messing about with rockbox back then: http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~davison/software/dbm/ http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~davison/software/dbm/ (Not sure if the stats department know they're hosting it...)
s0l1dsnak3123 7y ago
I used to use this and a few other open source firmwares on my iPod when I was at high school, so I could listen to FLACs. When my school friends (I was in the musical crowd) saw it, they all wanted it too, so I'd install it for them. That would've been in 2009-2010. Those were the days.
syassami 7y ago
Used this to run doom on my iPod in high school! Glad to hear it's still around
frabbit 7y ago
For those interested in helping to make Rockbox on new hardware a reality checkout this earlier comment from the PinePhone developers: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21021001 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21021001 Relevant thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20977788 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20977788 Again, as mentioned in the original thread: the idea is cheap, light+small, Free/Open, extensible hardware. Sansa were on the right track with the Clip. Not everything has to be touchscreen/hi-res display. It just needs to be reasonable in price and robust enough to withstand adventures, sleeping and some water.
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errantspark 7y ago
Wanted to weigh in here, I've got a 5g iPod (Wolfson DAC) with an SSD, upgraded battery and rockbox. It's fantastic, I use it to listen to podcasts before bed. I have something like 200Gb of music on it and I think the last time I charged it was over a month ago. I think the interface could use a little polish, but that aside there is still no mobile listening experience that surpasses having all of your music on you all the time and knowing that when you're at 50% battery you've still got close to two days straight of listening at max volume.
Endy 7y ago
I remember installing Rockbox on an original iPod for a blind friend of mine, just because with the right settings it would read out the name of the song to her. It took me about two hours, because we were working on a WinXP PC with JAWS and the iPod wasn't exactly Windows-compatible, even in mass-storage mode.
apocalyptic0n3 7y ago
Man that name brings back memories. Was anyone here involved in the iPod Wizard community? I was one of the guys that worked on mapping hex string locations to sprites and characters in each new firmware release. I wouldn't be surprised if I spent more time bricking and salvaging my iPod G4 with Rockbox, iPod Wizard, iPod Linux, and the iPod Wikipedia port than actually playing music on the thing. I ended up doing the same thing with the MacThemes community, specifically in mapping and documenting the iTunes files and enabling that to be themed. I really miss the time spent trying to figure out how to change a single black pixel on the screen that we missed somewhere or figuring out how to display gradients and images when all you have is black, white, and two shades of gray
legends2k 7y ago
I still have a working iRiver iHP-100 (40 GiB) with Rockbox on it! Switched to it soon after purchase, as the original firmware was limiting. Of course, I keep it around for the memories as this was my first buy with money earned from RentACoder.com when I was in college. Fond memories :)

295 points by mrzool 7y ago

I‘ve been through the „I‘ll just use it as it comes from the factory“ -> „let me tweak every little thing about this and take it as far as I can“ -> ... cycle more times and with more devices than I care to admit. This was that moment with my old 30GB iPod, thanks for the trip down memory lane!

fbnlsr 7y ago

Rockbox + Sansa Clip+ is absolutely amazing. I wish mine was still alive :(

PenguinCoder 7y ago
This is precisely why I went with the Sansa Clips back in the day. They were inexpensive enough to replace easily if one broke, and RockBox gave them a lot more life. I still have a few of them laying around but haven't been used much anymore due to using streaming services.
- pidg 7y ago
  I think I picked up my first Sansa Clip+ new for £15, and my second one (just after they were discontinued) for about £35. I imagine it's gone up again since then!

pathartl 7y ago

I fondly remember the days of loading this on my 4th gen iPod, having access to games and such. I think this sort of behavior should be embraced by manufacturers, but I get it; everything needs its own app store these days for a continuous stream of revenue.

DerpyBaby123 7y ago

I remember loading Rockbox on a Archos Jukebox back in the early 2000's[0] as being one of my first real exposures to using open source software. It was glorious, thanks for the hard work! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archos_Jukebox_series https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archos_Jukebox_series

NelsonMinar 7y ago
Me too!
echelon 7y ago
Same! At the time it was an exciting experience to replace the default firmware with Rockbox. There was some danger involved as there was the small potential of bricking the hardware. I was so nervous, because at the time I was too young to afford replacing hardware. It went smoothly and paid off. It was instructive in my eventual switch to Linux. Good times.
ohlookarabbit 7y ago
Exact same thing here. One could actually interact with the community very easily, the information was well organized and they made changes in the code visible on the front page of their website. I had other players afterwards, but since then it was always a requirement that it can run RockBox. I loved it especially for its playlist management. Thanks RockBox team!
DannyB2 7y ago
Yep. Had an early 2000(s) Jukebox, 10 GB I think, that I got on clearance at Target. I loved that thing and used it for several years. Being into open source, I discovered Rockbox and installed it. I was already using Linux. In fact, Linux compatibility was foremost on my mind (in those days) when looking at buying any hardware. I especially liked Archos earphones that hooked over the ears and wrapped around the back of the neck. I had to order multiple sets of those earphones separately. Alas, all things come to an end. It was replaced with an Archos 504 audio/video player with 80 GB. That was so cool too. I had to learn my ffmpeg settings to convert videos to play on it. Next, I figured out the format, and technique to put videos onto my flip phone (before smartphones). Cool, neato, but capacity was limited.
jhpaul 7y ago
Also me - My Jukebox 20 and building a computer were my first introductions to open source and hardware development.

nicolasp 7y ago

As a student I learned C and how OSS projects work through hacking Rockbox to add features to my iRiver H320. Fond memories and a very valuable learning experience.

gbjw 7y ago
Oh, I have fond memories of the H320 (it was released right around the time of the click-wheel iPod with the grayscale screen). I could watch movies on my portable music player in colour! My friends' minds were blown.
- magduf 7y ago
  I still have my H320, though I haven't powered it on in years. I even replaced the battery (with an iPod battery, with the wires swapped on the connector), and I replaced the hard drive with a 30GB model. I also got some accessories for it: a dock for your desk, and also a remote control. It was great for listening to music on airplanes. I'm planning to try selling it on Ebay now, since I just use my phone now.
  - skore 7y ago
    That brings back memories! Installing Rockbox, switching the battery… I also found out later that you could get a ATA-to-CF Adapter and basically switch it to an SSD.
- Fnoord 7y ago
  The great thing about the Iriver H340 (I had the 40 GB version) was that it could play MP3 and Ogg Vorbis. Also, everyone was running around with iPod with a few GB. I was laughing my ass off. RockBox was a little bit more friendly on the battery. I still use the USB OTG cable which came with my Iriver H340 (I gave the device itself away in 2008).

kop316 7y ago

I really wish I had more of the know how to make a Kickstarter/Crowd Supply for this. I imagine an mp3 player with native Rockbox support would be very popular, especially in the form factor of an iPod and/or a Sansa Clip.

dfc 7y ago
I thought the Clip or Clip+ was already supported.
- kop316 7y ago
  They are, but they are no longer being manufactured. They have the Clip Zip/Sport, and Rockbox is no longer supported on them. I use a CLip Sport for workouts, but they are not nearly as good as the Clip+
hiram112 7y ago
I'd love to see this too and would be interested in funding it. I know that stand-alone mp3 players are a niche now that everyone carries a far more powerful phone. But there has to be enough support to make an open source Clip-like device profitable or at least break-even after costs. The hardware that ran early Clips, IPod shuffles, and other small players existed 15 years ago. A dozen Chinese manufacturers still sell small players, which now are about the only option left, but they skimp on quality components like batteries and decent software.
- kop316 7y ago
  There are a bunch of niche ones still, they either go way low end or way high end. I have a FiiO X5 for my "regular" mp3 player and a Sansa Clip Sport for my workout one. Sadly, I work a daytime job and don't really have the time or will to actually capitalize on this. I do think that'd be a great way for Rockbox to fund themselves though. Make a Kickstarter with Rockbox officially supporting it, and the profits could go to the upkeep of rockbox.
  - 7y ago

epapsiou 7y ago

Remember using it a lot in mid 2000s. On iPod Mini and the HP Player. Also Sansa. IIRC , on iPod it let you play more codecs and then there were a few games thrown in. Loved it and that is what switched on my "change the native firmware" mode. Before this I did not know it could be done. I also realized how OEM hobble the hardware with restrictive firmware. Now I try not to buy Hardware (phones, routers etc) that can't be flashed with custom firmware.

neilsimp1 7y ago

I had both an Archos and a Cowon MP3 player back in Middle/High School that I loaded Rockbox onto one of (can't remember which). I remember being able to play Doom, watch pirated Family Guy, and listen to my music all on one device and thinking this was the pinnacle of technology.

anotheryou 7y ago
totally watched family guy on my cowon, too :)). Way before my first smartphone

jchw 7y ago

I used to run this on a Sansa Clip+. It was an amazing combination: great audio quality, expandable storage via microSD, playback of a huge array of formats natively, it ran DOOM, and it only costed around $40 when it was new. Now I just use my phone and streaming, but I sort of miss that era.

namdnay 7y ago
I had the same setup with a second hand Fuze I found on ebay. Awesome!
hcs 7y ago
I just picked up another Sansa Clip Zip, I tend to lose them or have them stolen, on the last one the buttons wore out due to playing Rockblox too much! Still my favorite media player with Rockbox. I had done an early port of NSF, SPC, and ADX players back when I had an iPod Photo, though I think the NSF one was redone since. I also did some work on a text-only wikipedia viewer that was fun to have, though never really shippable: https://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755 https://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755
- hiram112 7y ago
  Haha, according to Amazon, I went through 10 clips in the last 10 years. They were the perfect music player for the gym or anywhere else you didn't want to use a bulky and far more expensive phone. That being said, about 3-4 years ago the quality really began to decline on the Clip models - not sure if they just changed their manufacturing place or what, but a lot of us fans were disappointed. There really are no good options anymore for a standalone small MP3 player. You've got bulky Iphones and Android, expensive IPads (the Shuffle was a good option 'till it was discontinued) and dozens off terrible Chinese knockoffs with poor battery and software*. I also miss the days when there were a dozen major companies competing in the portable music space. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=mp3+player&ref=nb_sb_noss_2 https://www.amazon.com/s?k=mp3+player&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
  - hcs 7y ago
    Yeah I picked up three of them at a Radio Shack that was clearing them out, all gone now. Most of the value of those would be in the 32 or 64GB microSD card I'd put in them! Most recent one is a refurb off eBay, but the battery is pretty poor.

conradfr 7y ago

I loved it on my Cowon iAudio X5. Sadly it was never available for my J3. Nowadays I use my phone and really miss the physical buttons that I could use blindly while it's in my bag.

electrotype 7y ago

I used Rockbox a lot, I even made my own build so I can configure some buttons to tigger specific actions. Sansa Clip+ with Rockbox has been my music player for a long time. The problem now is that mobile phones have killed multimedia players and it's hard to find new players with Rockbox support :-(

grenoire 7y ago

Oh man, Silk Icons in the navigation bar. This is true Web 2.0 nostalgia.

yowlingcat 7y ago

Used to run this on my old iPod 4G and later on iPod Video. Those were the days. Play whatever audio/video format you want, could run video games. Those were the days -- can't believe it was only 12 years ago.

squarefoot 7y ago

It run great for years on my two old Sansa Clip Zip, and now that the only barely surviving one is about to go (dead keys, defective phones connector, reduced battery life etc) and attempting to open it is a nearly destructive operation, Those of us who wouldn't use a cellphone for multiple reasons need an alternative, but most modern players are either costly due to being niche market products or can't run Rockbox for having not enough resources. I think Rockbox badly needs to be ported to other architectures. The cheap and powerful Esp32-WROVER modules (4MB Flash + 8MB PSRAM) could probably be a capable candidate, and i2s for the external DAC is already supported. Not an easy task though.

fb03 7y ago

Loved having Rockbox on my Toshiba Gigabeat F20. Ogg Vorbis playback, lots of battery time and stable as hell. Thank you for the trip down the memory lane.

rchaud 7y ago

Installed this on a now-ancient Toshiba Gigabeat 40GB MP3 player waay back in 2010. The default firmware and UI for a lot of non-iPod players were awful, despite having good hardware. Rockbox had DOS-like graphics but it's functionality was amazing. I remember installing it because I wanted to calculate how much battery life my 5-year old Toshiba had left. It actually had a counter where it'd play music till the battery died, and when you rebooted it, it'd show you exactly how long playback lasted. Really nifty feature.

dhagz 7y ago

I have this on an old iPod Video - easily the best media player I've ever had. I think this was my first exposure to the idea of running non-Apple firmware on Apple devices (loathe to call it a jailbreak, but it feels sorta like one).

shmerl 7y ago

Works well on Sansa Fuze+. Unlike the stock firmware, it can play Opus audio, which I always encode my portable collection to.

sikhnerd 7y ago

Much love for Rockbox. I used to run this on the iriver h120 and use it for amazing lossless recording on the cheap. This was one of the earliest things that got me interested in open source.

ZoomZoomZoom 7y ago

For those interested, it can run fine on currently produced AGPTRocker/Benjie T2, although it's not officially supported as of yet. More bulky than Sansa, but there's no options left anymore.

kadoban 7y ago
Would you mind linking to more info on either that device or its rockbox support? I'm having trouble telling if I'm looking at the right device with a different name or what. I'd love to have rockbox running again, my last player died years back. Unofficial support would be fine as long as it works decently well. EDIT: Found it, it's the AGPTEK Rocker v1 or v2 (same insides apparently), or also the Benjie T6. I could not find a T2 at all. Found from: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=52220.0 http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=52220.0
- ZoomZoomZoom 7y ago
  Sorry, my bad. It's definitely Benjie T6. The most active thread is this one: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,51653.0.html http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,51653.0.html
  - kadoban 7y ago
    Nice! Yeah the thread sounds quite positive, from the skim I did. Sounds like not all functionality is working, but the basics seem to be. AGPTek seems to not be complying with the GPL, which bothers me, but I doubt I'll be able to resist the temptation to get rockbox working again.

temny 7y ago

I use Sansa Clip Zip with Rockbox daily and mostly for audiobooks. My favorite feature is possibility to increase playback speed while keeping pitch intact

altereg0 7y ago

This and an old iPod helped me get through rough times in the army. TY <3

nemosaltat 7y ago
Submariner here. Same, story. I made custom iPod minis with 64GB CF cards for several guys after they saw mine. (God can’t see through XX##)
- dbrgn 7y ago
  Hah, I used a modded iPod Mini as well! I was awesome, especially playlist handling. And playing Doom on it.

miki123211 7y ago

I've used Rockbox since I was pretty much a child. It had pretty good accessibility support, and a sansa Clip + was an order of magnitude cheaper than all the players made specially for the blind. I remember being so proud of that purchase and my tech knowledge to actually install Rockbox onto the player. A lot of my friends were impressed that I could achieve something like that for such a low price. I remember using Balabolka[1] to convert text ebooks to mp3, with a speech synthesizer, and then reading those books on the Sansa, for the lack of a build-in TTS. I switched to streaming and reading on my phone in like 2014. I never looked back, though I still have the Sansa lying around on my desk. [1] http://cross-plus-a.com/balabolka.htm http://cross-plus-a.com/balabolka.htm

matthewn 7y ago

Still running Rockbox on an iPod Video for tunes in a car that doesn't speak Bluetooth but has an aux jack. Considering an upgrade, having recently discovered there are new devices that can run Rockbox, including this one: https://fiio.com/m3k https://fiio.com/m3k Hats off to the Rockbox developers. This project has been so solid for so long, I kinda take it for granted.

sapphire_tomb 7y ago
Heh - I helped out on the port to 80GB video which came with a rather odd ATA controller on it that didn't work with the first cut of the ATA driver that Rockbox had been shipping with before the 80GB model came along. Fun times. Still have loads of friends from the dev crowd, including Daniel Stenberg, who is better known for curl - but was also one of the original Rockbox hackers. :D

codeulike 7y ago

Had this back in the Archos days

theunamedguy 7y ago

I learned C and open-source through hacking on this. Fond memories! PS: We have a Quake port - https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginQuake https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginQuake :)

marpstar 7y ago

A few of my friends and I went on a FLAC kick back in the late '00s and I remember installing Rockbox on a Gen 4 or 5 iPod in order to play my FLAC files.

michaelmrose 7y ago

I still remember the neuros HD. - multiple swappable storage/battery backpackd - built in fm transmitter - Linux based firmware / iTunes like music management that was Linux native - mp3 ogg Flav support - radio support plus scheduled recording - Shazam like feature called "hear it see it" when plugged in - ridiculously long battery life In 2003

av500 7y ago

I "caused" Rockbox, being the original firmware developer for the Archos Jukebox 6000. apparently the firmware I wrote was so bad around playlist handling and our CEO unwilling to open source the code so that the boys and girls wrote their own. at times it was one of the rather large open source SW projects in terms of users, developers, testers, translators, doc writers. I'm kinda proud to have caused that :) AMA

foldor 7y ago
Very interesting. What was the development like for you? How much time did you have to do this? How experienced were you at the time? Were you ever upset to hear it wasn't loved by users, or was it something you were upset at having to release in it's state due to a fixed deadline?
- av500 7y ago
  basically the "mp3 player engine" that was used by Archos (and a few other companies at that time, TerraTex M3PO, SSI NEO25/NEO35) was our first project out of high school, so the code is pretty bad looking at it today :) I was never angry about the fact that people preferred the alternative, given that with Archos we were running at breakneck speed to release a new product every year, constantly piling on more features for better or worse. there was little time to look back and reflect :)
  - av500 7y ago
    I was more upset that Archos took our original design with a 4 line LCD and a rotary encoder and reduced it to a single line and U/D/L/R buttons - missing the whole point of "all" your music with you, thus needing a way to browse it fast...
codeulike 7y ago
Haha. Hello, I had an Archos Jukebox 6000, in 2001 or so. From what I remember it was pretty awesome. The first MP3 player with a decent hard drive (available for some years before the iPod). I think my main niggle was that it was missing a 'play randomly from my whole collection' feature if I remember correctly. And I think there was a limitation to the length of a playlist so you couldn't just make a huge playlist and randomise that. Before rockbox there was some PC utility that would read the whole Jukebox file list and then generate a series of randomised playlists numbered 01 to 99 which covered everything. As such, a roundabout way of getting a global shuffle. In a way I think this is quite interesting, these days the idea of shuffling songs from your entire collection is very commonplace, but before large-capacity mp3 players people hadn't really thought of doing that before, so perhaps it never made it onto 'features people want' lists. Its obvious now, maybe it wasn't obvious then. Was there any thought given to a global shuffle feature?

Myrmornis 7y ago

ipod 5.5 80 Gig + Rockbox! Those days still beat today, when you don't have a good network connection for your phone with unlimited data. I wrote this software for messing about with rockbox back then: http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~davison/software/dbm/ http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~davison/software/dbm/ (Not sure if the stats department know they're hosting it...)

s0l1dsnak3123 7y ago

I used to use this and a few other open source firmwares on my iPod when I was at high school, so I could listen to FLACs. When my school friends (I was in the musical crowd) saw it, they all wanted it too, so I'd install it for them. That would've been in 2009-2010. Those were the days.

syassami 7y ago

Used this to run doom on my iPod in high school! Glad to hear it's still around

frabbit 7y ago

For those interested in helping to make Rockbox on new hardware a reality checkout this earlier comment from the PinePhone developers: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21021001 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21021001 Relevant thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20977788 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20977788 Again, as mentioned in the original thread: the idea is cheap, light+small, Free/Open, extensible hardware. Sansa were on the right track with the Clip. Not everything has to be touchscreen/hi-res display. It just needs to be reasonable in price and robust enough to withstand adventures, sleeping and some water.

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errantspark 7y ago

Wanted to weigh in here, I've got a 5g iPod (Wolfson DAC) with an SSD, upgraded battery and rockbox. It's fantastic, I use it to listen to podcasts before bed. I have something like 200Gb of music on it and I think the last time I charged it was over a month ago. I think the interface could use a little polish, but that aside there is still no mobile listening experience that surpasses having all of your music on you all the time and knowing that when you're at 50% battery you've still got close to two days straight of listening at max volume.

Endy 7y ago

I remember installing Rockbox on an original iPod for a blind friend of mine, just because with the right settings it would read out the name of the song to her. It took me about two hours, because we were working on a WinXP PC with JAWS and the iPod wasn't exactly Windows-compatible, even in mass-storage mode.

apocalyptic0n3 7y ago

Man that name brings back memories. Was anyone here involved in the iPod Wizard community? I was one of the guys that worked on mapping hex string locations to sprites and characters in each new firmware release. I wouldn't be surprised if I spent more time bricking and salvaging my iPod G4 with Rockbox, iPod Wizard, iPod Linux, and the iPod Wikipedia port than actually playing music on the thing. I ended up doing the same thing with the MacThemes community, specifically in mapping and documenting the iTunes files and enabling that to be themed. I really miss the time spent trying to figure out how to change a single black pixel on the screen that we missed somewhere or figuring out how to display gradients and images when all you have is black, white, and two shades of gray

legends2k 7y ago

I still have a working iRiver iHP-100 (40 GiB) with Rockbox on it! Switched to it soon after purchase, as the original firmware was limiting. Of course, I keep it around for the memories as this was my first buy with money earned from RentACoder.com when I was in college. Fond memories :)