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In addition to tariffs, they were effectively training their competitors in China. Manufacturing in China just accelerates the rate of IP theft.

steve19 7y ago
Samsung claimed a Chinese company stole their folding phone screen tech. https://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-foldable-screen-tech-stolen-china-accused-30556532/ https://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-foldable-screen-tec...
- Razengan 7y ago
  After decades of stealing from Apple and other companies, Samsung complaining about this is sheer irony.
  - benjaminbrodie2 7y ago
    It's not if the target of complain is a Chinese company. A mistake people often make in moral reasoning is to assume that it's only qualitative, descriptive aspects of an action (ie excluding such things as who did it, whom was it done to, etc) that is relevant to how they should be assessed morally
    - linuxdude314 7y ago
      Was this supposed to make any sense? It might be the first non bigoted remark you've made on this post, but can't tell because it is completely incomprehensible.
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  - tooltalk 7y ago
    How do you feel about Apple's theft of Xerox's innovation in the late 70's or Obama's "pardoning" of Apple IP theft (ie, Samsung's USITC victory), that would have banned iPhone imports from China in 2012?
    - kalleboo 7y ago
      > Apple's theft of Xerox's innovation in the late 70's Apple was invited to visit Xerox in exchange for pre-IPO stock purchase rights. Xerox's management didn't know the value of what they had and willingly gave it away.
      - seanmcdirmid 7y ago
        This. Apple didn’t steal anything from xerox, they bought it. Sure they got a good deal, but it was still a legal transaction.
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        tooltalk 7y ago
        Apple didn't buy anything from Xerox -- and there was no licensing between the two companies. Xerox filed a lawsuit in fact in the late 1980's to prevent Apple scaring potential customers with Apple's copyright claims (eg, Apple's lawsuit against MS which Apple eventually lost).
      - tooltalk 7y ago
        There was no such "exchange" -- Xerox's investment in Apple did not depend on Apple's visit to Xerox, which had been open to public demonstration throughout.
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xwolfi 7y ago
News: chinese workers aren't brainless monkeys and can evolve.
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throwaway4589 7y ago
Isn't that how Samsung grew during the 90s? Japanese companies outsourced to them, and basically trained their competitors. Manufacturing in Korea during the 90s just accelerated the rate of IP theft. It was like that in Japan during the 80s too. I wonder which country will be after China.
- anonygler 7y ago
  This reeks of whataboutism. IP theft is problematic and nobody has ever engaged in it to the extent that China has. The Chinese intelligence apparatus is actively engaged in IP theft as well.
  - rjzzleep 7y ago
    It's how innovation happened throughout human history. The entire oh so celebrated age of enlightenment happened this way. Nobody would come to the conclusion to call that IP theft though.
  - tedivm 7y ago
    The entire US Industrial Revolution was kicked off by Francis Cabot Lowell stealing the designs of British power looms. Alexander Hamilton, as treasury secretary, adopted an actual policy of stealing technology and sent spies to Britain as well. This is how it works. Countries without technology steal it from those that do. It's basically a market force- if you don't make it available at something approaching a reasonable cost then it will be duplicated through research or just directly stolen.
    - benjaminbrodie2 7y ago
      But you are only comparing what is outwardly done and neglecting the motivations, the human factor. Our founding fathers were good people, their hearts were in the right place. The Chinese are bad people, we can all agree with that. Identical actions can still be morally different because they proceed from different motives.
    - beerandt 7y ago
legulere 7y ago
That happens all the time. Made in Germany in the beginning was a mark for cheap counterfeit goods. Copying British products is how Germany’s industry got started. American chemical industry got a significant push when they received German chemistry patents during WW1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_Germany
coldtea 7y ago
It would be the ultimate irony for Samsung to complain for IP theft...

steve19 7y ago

Samsung claimed a Chinese company stole their folding phone screen tech. https://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-foldable-screen-tech-stolen-china-accused-30556532/ https://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-foldable-screen-tec...

Razengan 7y ago
After decades of stealing from Apple and other companies, Samsung complaining about this is sheer irony.
- benjaminbrodie2 7y ago
  It's not if the target of complain is a Chinese company. A mistake people often make in moral reasoning is to assume that it's only qualitative, descriptive aspects of an action (ie excluding such things as who did it, whom was it done to, etc) that is relevant to how they should be assessed morally
  - linuxdude314 7y ago
    Was this supposed to make any sense? It might be the first non bigoted remark you've made on this post, but can't tell because it is completely incomprehensible.
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- tooltalk 7y ago
  How do you feel about Apple's theft of Xerox's innovation in the late 70's or Obama's "pardoning" of Apple IP theft (ie, Samsung's USITC victory), that would have banned iPhone imports from China in 2012?
  - kalleboo 7y ago
    > Apple's theft of Xerox's innovation in the late 70's Apple was invited to visit Xerox in exchange for pre-IPO stock purchase rights. Xerox's management didn't know the value of what they had and willingly gave it away.
    - seanmcdirmid 7y ago
      This. Apple didn’t steal anything from xerox, they bought it. Sure they got a good deal, but it was still a legal transaction.
      - deleted 7y ago
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      - tooltalk 7y ago
        Apple didn't buy anything from Xerox -- and there was no licensing between the two companies. Xerox filed a lawsuit in fact in the late 1980's to prevent Apple scaring potential customers with Apple's copyright claims (eg, Apple's lawsuit against MS which Apple eventually lost).
    - tooltalk 7y ago
      There was no such "exchange" -- Xerox's investment in Apple did not depend on Apple's visit to Xerox, which had been open to public demonstration throughout.
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xwolfi 7y ago

News: chinese workers aren't brainless monkeys and can evolve.

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throwaway4589 7y ago

Isn't that how Samsung grew during the 90s? Japanese companies outsourced to them, and basically trained their competitors. Manufacturing in Korea during the 90s just accelerated the rate of IP theft. It was like that in Japan during the 80s too. I wonder which country will be after China.

anonygler 7y ago
This reeks of whataboutism. IP theft is problematic and nobody has ever engaged in it to the extent that China has. The Chinese intelligence apparatus is actively engaged in IP theft as well.
- rjzzleep 7y ago
  It's how innovation happened throughout human history. The entire oh so celebrated age of enlightenment happened this way. Nobody would come to the conclusion to call that IP theft though.
- tedivm 7y ago
  The entire US Industrial Revolution was kicked off by Francis Cabot Lowell stealing the designs of British power looms. Alexander Hamilton, as treasury secretary, adopted an actual policy of stealing technology and sent spies to Britain as well. This is how it works. Countries without technology steal it from those that do. It's basically a market force- if you don't make it available at something approaching a reasonable cost then it will be duplicated through research or just directly stolen.
  - benjaminbrodie2 7y ago
    But you are only comparing what is outwardly done and neglecting the motivations, the human factor. Our founding fathers were good people, their hearts were in the right place. The Chinese are bad people, we can all agree with that. Identical actions can still be morally different because they proceed from different motives.
  - beerandt 7y ago

legulere 7y ago

That happens all the time. Made in Germany in the beginning was a mark for cheap counterfeit goods. Copying British products is how Germany’s industry got started. American chemical industry got a significant push when they received German chemistry patents during WW1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_Germany

coldtea 7y ago

It would be the ultimate irony for Samsung to complain for IP theft...