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Docker is in trouble

60 points by artsyca 7y ago

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mikece 7y ago
So who is the most likely buyer: Google, Amazon, Microsoft, or IBM? Or Oracle??
- artsyca 7y ago
  I'd venture that if Google, Amazon or Microsoft were to buy Docker, it would also be so that none of the others could buy them?
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- wmf 7y ago
  IBM Hat doesn't need it, Google probably thinks they're too smart for it, Amazon doesn't pay for open source... hello Microsoft. Docker Hub + Github = Microsoft Hub?
  - alpb 7y ago
    A Microsoft acquisition made so much sense around 2015 from talent and developer mindshare perspective, not so much anymore. All of Docker’s tech is commodity at this point. Their enterprise offerings still address a niche market, but Kubernetes ecosystem has outgrown it with companies like Rancher. Docker Hub is nice to have public registry, but everyone else, including Microsoft’s GitHub has already implemented the docker-registry protocol. Github can now serve docker images.
    - my123 7y ago
      And even Microsoft uses mcr.microsoft.com for storing their container images instead of Docker Hub nowadays...
- rhinoceraptor 7y ago
  I hate that this is the world we've come to, but I think an acquisition by Microsoft would be the best outcome. Or maybe Oracle could so diabolically implode Docker like a Las Vegas hotel, that everyone will move to something with a much better security model and stop with the containers in VMs nonsense.
  - majewsky 7y ago
    No one will move to something else, because they already have. Everyone who's running containers in production is either already using Kubernetes with CRI-O or planning to move to it. The Docker client is used only for building and testing images, and there are easy replacements for that as well. That's Docker's problem in the first place.
    - calcifer 7y ago
      > Everyone who's running containers in production is either already using Kubernetes with CRI-O or planning to move to it. Yes, everyone except those on the biggest cloud vendor using its containerized application platform [1]. [1] https://aws.amazon.com/ecs/ https://aws.amazon.com/ecs/
    - bovermyer 7y ago
      Mm, no. I have clients running Docker Swarm in production. So your claim that "everyone" is running Kubernetes is incorrect.
    - rhinoceraptor 7y ago
      I don't mean move on from docker, I mean move on from the Linux "container" (or illusion thereof). The virtual machine abstraction needs to die.
      - beatgammit 7y ago
        Why? It's super handy and the general idea has been well proven in FreeBSD and Solaris. It's very convenient to encapsulate all of you dependencies into an environment segregated from the rest of the system, and chroot just isn't complete enough.
- crazysim 7y ago
  I would guess Microsoft. Otherwise, I guess Microsoft could build their own Docker development environment distribution for client Windows.
- mister_hn 7y ago
  I think RedHat will do, probably
  - colek42 7y ago
    RH and Docker do not get along well. Combining the two companies would probably be difficult.
  - CrankyBear 7y ago
    Red Hat's already replaced Docker's functionality with podman and buildah in RHEL 8. Technically, there's no reason for them to buy Docker.
artsyca 7y ago
I'm utterly tired of the way tech executives are dressing nowadays; this audience clearly doesn't believe it matters in the slightest, but I'm challenging anyone to come up with some inkling of why it actually might --
- artsyca 7y ago
  Let me give you an argument from a functionalist perspective, as a designer -- If you're never going to wear a necktie, why bother ever wearing a collared shirt? The collar is in place to hold the tie, you don't need a tie, you don't need a collar, so don't wear one
  - artsyca 7y ago
    This argument is somewhat metaphysical but it strikes at the core of the tech industry as it stands now -- the question of being overdressed vs underdressed, of fitting in vs standing out It seems that the safe and generally accepted path is 'underdressed' and 'fitting in' and I'm telling you this is causing the entire industry to optimize for false signals which leads to social issues and frankly leaves tons of money on the table for ordinary people who are struggling to find proper career prospects
  - flukus 7y ago
    Pragmatic answer: because it crosses some threshold where it's deemed I'm dressed appropriately at work and a normal shirt wouldn't. > The collar is in place to hold the tie, you don't need a tie, you don't need a collar, so don't wear one A collar can also be popped to provide extra shade to the neck, it has it's own functionality independent of the tie. I'm not sure if these execs are getting enough sun that it matters, but I certainly do.
- artsyca 7y ago
  You might believe that questions of this nature don't belong on HN, but they certainly do when viewed from the perspective of semaphores -- human beings are going to communicate on all possible wavelengths and that includes the visual The audience of this video is processing visual information and then audio, in that order, if you want your message to have some kind of impact you need to provide more visual cues than an unbuttoned neckline

60 points by artsyca 7y ago

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mikece 7y ago

So who is the most likely buyer: Google, Amazon, Microsoft, or IBM? Or Oracle??

artsyca 7y ago
I'd venture that if Google, Amazon or Microsoft were to buy Docker, it would also be so that none of the others could buy them?
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wmf 7y ago
IBM Hat doesn't need it, Google probably thinks they're too smart for it, Amazon doesn't pay for open source... hello Microsoft. Docker Hub + Github = Microsoft Hub?
- alpb 7y ago
  A Microsoft acquisition made so much sense around 2015 from talent and developer mindshare perspective, not so much anymore. All of Docker’s tech is commodity at this point. Their enterprise offerings still address a niche market, but Kubernetes ecosystem has outgrown it with companies like Rancher. Docker Hub is nice to have public registry, but everyone else, including Microsoft’s GitHub has already implemented the docker-registry protocol. Github can now serve docker images.
  - my123 7y ago
    And even Microsoft uses mcr.microsoft.com for storing their container images instead of Docker Hub nowadays...
rhinoceraptor 7y ago
I hate that this is the world we've come to, but I think an acquisition by Microsoft would be the best outcome. Or maybe Oracle could so diabolically implode Docker like a Las Vegas hotel, that everyone will move to something with a much better security model and stop with the containers in VMs nonsense.
- majewsky 7y ago
  No one will move to something else, because they already have. Everyone who's running containers in production is either already using Kubernetes with CRI-O or planning to move to it. The Docker client is used only for building and testing images, and there are easy replacements for that as well. That's Docker's problem in the first place.
  - calcifer 7y ago
    > Everyone who's running containers in production is either already using Kubernetes with CRI-O or planning to move to it. Yes, everyone except those on the biggest cloud vendor using its containerized application platform [1]. [1] https://aws.amazon.com/ecs/ https://aws.amazon.com/ecs/
  - bovermyer 7y ago
    Mm, no. I have clients running Docker Swarm in production. So your claim that "everyone" is running Kubernetes is incorrect.
  - rhinoceraptor 7y ago
    I don't mean move on from docker, I mean move on from the Linux "container" (or illusion thereof). The virtual machine abstraction needs to die.
    - beatgammit 7y ago
      Why? It's super handy and the general idea has been well proven in FreeBSD and Solaris. It's very convenient to encapsulate all of you dependencies into an environment segregated from the rest of the system, and chroot just isn't complete enough.
crazysim 7y ago
I would guess Microsoft. Otherwise, I guess Microsoft could build their own Docker development environment distribution for client Windows.
mister_hn 7y ago
I think RedHat will do, probably
- colek42 7y ago
  RH and Docker do not get along well. Combining the two companies would probably be difficult.
- CrankyBear 7y ago
  Red Hat's already replaced Docker's functionality with podman and buildah in RHEL 8. Technically, there's no reason for them to buy Docker.

artsyca 7y ago

I'm utterly tired of the way tech executives are dressing nowadays; this audience clearly doesn't believe it matters in the slightest, but I'm challenging anyone to come up with some inkling of why it actually might --

artsyca 7y ago
Let me give you an argument from a functionalist perspective, as a designer -- If you're never going to wear a necktie, why bother ever wearing a collared shirt? The collar is in place to hold the tie, you don't need a tie, you don't need a collar, so don't wear one
- artsyca 7y ago
  This argument is somewhat metaphysical but it strikes at the core of the tech industry as it stands now -- the question of being overdressed vs underdressed, of fitting in vs standing out It seems that the safe and generally accepted path is 'underdressed' and 'fitting in' and I'm telling you this is causing the entire industry to optimize for false signals which leads to social issues and frankly leaves tons of money on the table for ordinary people who are struggling to find proper career prospects
- flukus 7y ago
  Pragmatic answer: because it crosses some threshold where it's deemed I'm dressed appropriately at work and a normal shirt wouldn't. > The collar is in place to hold the tie, you don't need a tie, you don't need a collar, so don't wear one A collar can also be popped to provide extra shade to the neck, it has it's own functionality independent of the tie. I'm not sure if these execs are getting enough sun that it matters, but I certainly do.
artsyca 7y ago
You might believe that questions of this nature don't belong on HN, but they certainly do when viewed from the perspective of semaphores -- human beings are going to communicate on all possible wavelengths and that includes the visual The audience of this video is processing visual information and then audio, in that order, if you want your message to have some kind of impact you need to provide more visual cues than an unbuttoned neckline