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“They have not removed it, it just is not visible by default if you are connected to the internet. Either run the setup without being connected to the internet,
by mentos 7y ago
“They have not removed it, it just is not visible by default if you are connected to the internet. Either run the setup without being connected to the internet, or type in a fake phone number a few times and it will give you the prompt to create a local account.”
- EvanAnderson 7y agoI've been installing Windows 10 w/o an active network connection since its release. Sounds like that'll become a more common thing for others.
- atoav 7y agoMaybe you do the same thing as me: only connect the internet once everything is done and all bloat has been removed
- danShumway 7y agoThat's a pretty clear dark pattern, no? At the very least, it signals that Microsoft really doesn't want users creating offline accounts. Which is troubling, because their TOS for online accounts is quite onerous, and includes a couple of problematic restrictions, including a mandatory arbitration agreement. If I was a Windows user who relied on local accounts this would be very worrying to me.
- weka 7y agoIt's most definitely a dark pattern. Just how reddit now prompts you to enter an email when you register but it's not marked as required and it doesn't say optional either.
- FreakyT 7y agoTo be fair, it’s really unusual that they even let you get an account without an email — I believe they’re still one of the only major sites left that allow this at all.
- abhiminator 7y agoNot unusual when you consider this fact: when reddit was originally founded back in '05, the ability to create an anonymous account with a pseudonym in seconds was the goal. The redesign is a shame, but I'm glad they chose to stick with their old UI via a decicated URL (old.reddit.com).
- raverbashing 7y agoWell, yeah, another thing ruined by spammers (And the redesign is truly a shame)
- limomium 7y agoLet's start calling this what it really is. Evil pattern.
- noja 7y agoIt's only a dark pattern until online accounts are always required... (then it's for forever).
- ectospheno 7y agoYou always install windows without a network connection so that you can run group policy editor to install your policies before first network connection. This has been best practice forever.
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- grawprog 7y ago>Either run the setup without being connected to the internet, or type in a fake phone number a few times and it will give you the prompt to create a local account.” This is something I really can't see the average user doing honestly.
- mc32 7y agoI guess they want to emulate Google chromeOS and Google is busy emulating MS of the 2000s. Shame.
- jevgeni 7y agoOr you know, iCloud? The thing that most people here probably have.
- fauigerzigerk 7y agoWhat's the similarity to iCloud?
- minimaul 7y agoExcept Apple have a lovely ‘Skip’ button at every step of the process. If you don’t want to use iCloud you’re not forced to by virtue of being internet connected, and there’s a clear option to not allow your iCloud account to be involved in auth or password resets.
- fauigerzigerk 7y agoCorrect me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it's even possible to merge your iCloud account (Apple ID) with your Mac user account. Aren't these always separate identities? I thought what Microsoft is pushing people to do is to use a single identity for both their PC and their Microsoft account, just like Google does with Chrome Books. My concern with the single identity model is not just privacy. I worry that if something happens to my online account I might lose access to my local data. At least on Chrome Books this is something that can happen. Not sure about Microsoft's approach though.
- FireBeyond 7y ago> but I don't think it's even possible to merge your iCloud account (Apple ID) with your Mac user account. Aren't these always separate identities And enforced as such - just like you cannot have your macOS password be the same as your Apple ID password.
- shawnz 7y agoThat's the same behaviour which has been the case for some time, right? Not that I'm particularly happy about it or anything.
- ocdtrekkie 7y agoI imagine another good path is to state it's owned by an organization, then clicking "Domain join instead". I can't imagine they removed that, but it just dumps out to a local account because you can't domain join in the OOBE.
- gdwatson 7y agoI use that at work, so I didn't realize the current situation, but I don't think that's an option in the home version.
- ocdtrekkie 7y agoOh, that's true, you wouldn't see that option for Home edition at all. :/ I almost never use Home edition, I always buy Pro, even for personal use.
- MertsA 7y agoI can confirm that's the case, just did this last week.
- saghm 7y agoI think it's been that way for a while? Maybe six months ago I wanted to add Windows to a Linux box I had, and I ran into this
- EugeneOZ 7y agoNo, last time I was installing Win10 was 23/09/2019 and there was an option to use offline account. Although, some system settings already require ms account.
- jplayer01 7y agoI noticed this change months ago. Probably with the release of 1903 (with a 1903 ISO). It seems to be dependent on whether you have an active connection or not. If not, it shows the offline option. If you do, it makes it really hard to find.
- e12e 7y agoDid you download/create install media at that time? Fwiw I've done a handful of (re) installs of W10 pro at work (over the past year or so) , and the installer experience along with enrollment in azure ad has been different every time...
- pbhjpbhj 7y agoIt's been obscured though, IIRC, isn't there small text on a same colour (darker shade) background outside the edge of a box. I've only done a handful of Win 10 installs, I just remember being confused "how do you do it without an account again", it has not been clear.
- agumonkey 7y agoI wouldn't be surprised if this backfired on YouTube massively. Utterly useless dark pattern, and many thanks for sharing.