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While this is great for the concept of jailbreaking, in practice I think it will be mostly academic. The devices this supports are already old, which doesn’t gi
by orev 7y ago
While this is great for the concept of jailbreaking, in practice I think it will be mostly academic. The devices this supports are already old, which doesn’t give much excitement to the process. The ecosystem of libraries, apps, stores, etc. around jailbreaking is in a dismal state, if it really even exists anymore.
I really don’t expect a thriving marketplace to spring up again like we had in the old days.
I do think it will be very useful for people doing security research, as it will allow them to access the full running images of supported devices.
EDIT: Since people seem to be wildly missing my point, I clearly need to spell it out: The community and the ecosystem is what made jailbreaking great, and while this very cool work done, this isn't going to usher in a new golden age of jailbreaking because the community and ecosystem isn't there.
- MiroF 7y agoCalling 4S through X “old” is disingenuous. Your comment made me reread the article because I thought I had misunderstood.
- orev 7y agoThe "X" is two years old. That doesn't mean it's useless, but it does mean that the news doesn't carry the same weight as if it was the iPhone 11 Pro that was hacked.
- MiroF 7y agoThe vast majority of iPhones in circulation are the X or below. So, stated otherwise: this carries the same weight as saying about 90% (anecdotal estimate) of iPhones in circulation are jailbreakable
- givinguflac 7y agoiPhone X is still very capable and not at all old. Is it the newest? No, but saying a two year old device is useless is disingenuous.
- orev 7y agoI did not say an X was useless, so you’re the one being disingenuous. I said it was old, which it is, and old things do not make big headlines or attract large crowds. The X is already 2 years old. It doesn’t matter that it’s still a capable phone (using one to write this now). The heyday of jailbreaking was when Apple would release a new phone, and then the tech press watched with baited breath to see how quickly it would be hacked. It only took weeks or months, not years, and it was a collective, community effort. It made news and it stirred up a large interest in jailbreaking and the ecosystem around it. You clearly have not looked at the state of the jailbreak community as it stands today. It’s essentially gone. Repos are filled with old junk that couldn’t run on modern OSes even if you wanted to, and the main developers have just left. And there’s no reason for them to come back. The App Store and the current iOS features cover almost everything that people need, and the effort to get the other little things is just too high. As I said, this is interesting and possibly useful academically, but it’s not going to magically reinvigorate the jailbreak community.
- topranks 7y agoI think there is a lot of sense in your argument. Also worth remembering Apple have added so many features we once Jailbroke for, which makes the usefulness less for the average person. Still though I think this will help the JB scene. It’s unlikely it won’t spur at least some new interest and momentum in the scene though. I mostly jailbreak for shell access and ability to see what the network stack is doing (related to my work,) but a few tweaks like SwipeSelection are great additions too.
- seba_dos1 7y agoI think that people are arguing, and I agree, that "2 years old" doesn't qualify in any way as "old". I'm using a 10 years old smartphone and a 6 years old laptop, and only in last year or two I started to consider that oldish, so I'll probably replace them soon. Also, iOS is genuinely uninteresting for many people because of its locked down nature. There are whole categories of applications that won't ever pass through App Store gates. Heck, we're talking about a platform where you can't even have a different browser than what Apple provides - you can just switch browser shells. Jailbreaking definitely can bring a huge value to at least some people.
- hu3 7y agoiPhone X is irrelevant? I'll give the bad news to my mate who just bought one.
- orev 7y agoI love how people keep putting words on my mouth. How about you respond to what I actually said instead of constructing a straw man? "Old" is not the same thing as "irrelevant", especially since the obvious point of my comment is the jailbreak ecosystem, not the devices. That it applies to older devices is important because that doesn't create the same kind of excitement and interest as if the iPhone 11 was hacked.
- hu3 7y agoWell you relegated iPhone X jailbreaking to "mostly academic". I think it's fair to say you called it irrelevant.
- detaro 7y agoSo what large developments do you expect from the iPhone X jailbreak?
- hu3 7y agoIs it that hard to imagine implications? Do you need convincing? For example, everyone's iPhone X and before being vulnerable to airport security scans. If they can root your device, they can install anything without your consent.
- userbinator 7y agoThe devices this supports are already old If anything, this will help to keep them from becoming e-waste for longer.