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Facebook is testing hiding like counts to see if that makes people feel better
- JohnJamesRambo 7y agoSo they admit their product makes people feel bad. Think about that.
- darkwizard42 7y agoHuge jump here... They had a feature that they (as most would) thought would help people engage with each other and express support. Turns out it has unintended consequences. Now rightfully so they are exploring how to get away from that. Not everything is a nefarious scheme. Sometimes it’s just good old product iteration.
- nafizh 7y agoFacebook has exhausted all of the goodwill it could have been given at this point.
- scarface74 7y agoOnly in geek culture -- Facebook still has billions of users,
- oplav 7y ago"We are running a limited test where like, reaction, and video view counts are made private across Facebook. We will gather feedback to understand whether this change will improve people’s experiences" Stating that you are improving the experience doesn't mean you are admitting the current experience is bad.
- FussyZeus 7y agoNo, but the multiple peer reviewed studies do.
- docdeek 7y agoNot necessarily. If I add chocolate sprinkles to my son's ice cream cone I am improving his experience but ice cream without sprinkles is still pretty good.
- SketchySeaBeast 7y ago"According to her findings, people will still be able to tap to see the full list of people who liked and reacted to a post (and presumably you manually could count from there), but the like count will no longer be shown on the News Feed." Oh great, so now people have to do just one more step to get the same dopamine rush. I can't see this solving the problem.
- themodelplumber 7y agoIt's kind of nice in a way because sources like FB groups are becoming qualitatively easier to trust. Some of my Facebook groups easily rival the best communities / forums I've used for the last decade. So really, in that case no, I don't want to see the 5-10 laughter reactions on a post about a new theory or niche product that is untested. I'm simply there because news about the theory is available from a community I trust (I do trust the membership overall, if not individually).
- SketchySeaBeast 7y agoIt'll absolutely make the experience nicer (no one wants to see that Aunt Doreen just "liked" Grandpa Bob's cancer announcement), but I don't know if it will make those who feel bad about likes feel better.
- mieseratte 7y ago> Oh great, so now people have to do just one more step to get the same dopamine rush. Friction is useful. Sure, this doesn't solve for some hypothetical influencer types or advertisers getting count data. For the hypothetical teenager who is apparently being made mentally unwell by social media, this probably precludes their putting forth the effort. Then again I think back to all of those "See Who Viewed Your Page" malware ads from back in my day, and wonder if this isn't one viral app away from being useless. Who the fuck knows? At least it's an attempt. They can go back to the drawing board if this fails.
- SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
- app4soft 7y agoWelcome to old-school era, where "forums" was social network platforms without `Like` buttons!
- jackvalentine 7y agoForums now have like buttons... and it has utterly corrupted the values of at least one of them I’ve been on for decades sadly!
- np_tedious 7y agoGreat point. I upvoted it
- clucas 7y agoI couldn't tell...
- Zhyl 7y agoA forum I was on in 2006 had "reputation" which was a proto-like button. It had rules (can only rep a person once in a set period, can't rep more than 10 people a day). The higher the rep you had, the more your repping affected others. Below a threshold you got autobanned (good for keeping out trolls and spammers). At different rep levels you got different messages. These were like medals or badges of honour. I also realised back then how much I was strangely addicted to it. I would try to be funny just to get rep. I envied those with higher rep than me or who jumped the levels more quickly. Basically, it was toxic for me. It kind of innoculated me against likes a few years later.
- alwaysanagenda 7y agoFacebook, LifeLog -- it's all the same. Designed for government control and psychological warfare. https://steemit.com/discussion/@boodles17/is-facebook-dervived-from-darpas-lifelog-project https://steemit.com/discussion/@boodles17/is-facebook-derviv...
- tapag 7y agoHa! this will be their excuse when they remove likes from people they don't agree with (ie: conservatives).
- andreigheorghe 7y agoDid you just create an account to inject some conservative victimization into a story that has absolutely no connection to that?
- whateveracct 7y agoPar the course
- toasterlovin 7y agoInterestingly, you basically did the same thing as OP.
- andreigheorghe 7y agoHis account is 5 years old and has 887 karma. What are you talking about?
- toasterlovin 7y agoWhat matters is the low value comment that brings down the level of discourse on this site, not the age of the account.
- andreigheorghe 7y agoOne is a fake account pushing misinformation, the other is a real person sharing their succinct, if low signal, opinion. So, not really the same thing. This thread is a dumpster fire for sure, but it's disingenuous of you to try to "both sides" it in this day and age when online discourse is being DDoSed by trolls like OP.
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- amelius 7y agoThey should add a "meh" button.
- diveanon 7y agoThey should just hide the entire domain. Facebook acknowledges their product is toxic, and is taking steps to make it less so. If you work for Facebook, how does it feel building a product that is actively hurting people and the societies they live in? Have you experienced a crisis of faith, or has your insulated world prevented you from actual introspection into what you are a part of?
- sarcasmatwork 7y agoAll social media is bad imho. For example, people on Instagram only show the good, never the bad. So its a fake reality that people look up to, when in fact its far from the truth. The like button is part of the problem.
- askafriend 7y agoHacker News is social media too. Tough for people to look in the mirror.
- sarcasmatwork 7y agoimho, its not.., myspace, facebook, instagram are.. This is a news aggregator. I dont use any other part of YT, just the news section.
- askafriend 7y agoIt's social media. It's not a news aggregator. People post things they want to talk about. It just happens to be largely links (but not always; for example AskHN). Let's do a quick test. Do you consider Reddit to be social media? How about Twitter? If you do, then so is Hacker News. Just because you it happens to be a social media site that you personally like doesn't mean it gets to be in a different category that you consider more holy. Or just because there's no photos or because there's fewer features, doesn't mean it's not social media.
- tracker1 7y agoI think I must be part of the "test" bunch... noticed last night I couldn't access the full menu for like option emojis, only click the like button itself on a group post. The counts also seem to be missing as well.
- nradov 7y agoAlso discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21085323 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21085323
- vsyu 7y agoSeems ironic but would be curious to know the actual outcomes of the test. I guess we all agree to participate in their testing when you agree to the terms and sign up for an account.
- winternett 7y agoThey should improve their UI, provide a real chronological timeline, stop harvesting user data, create a better way to organize and access historical photos, stop spamming people with phony notices, end deceptive ads and all sun-glass sales, and let ALL friends of users see ALL of their friend's posts again if they really wanted to make people "feel better". ಠ_ಠ
- rubbingalcohol 7y agoI would feel better if Facebook ceased to exist. Can they "test" that?
- spookthesunset 7y agoThe big problem with a chronological timeline is that it doesn’t scale very well. It can quickly overwhelm you with mostly stuff you aren’t interested in. I dunno what the solution to this is. How it works now also annoys me because it often hides things/people I would be very interested in. But at the same time I don’t have time to look at everything. It is a tough problem and no matter what you do there are positives and negatives. No silver bullet.
- winternett 7y agoWith a chronological time line you'd still have the ability to unfollow and follow users, which would eventually get you to a manageable chronological list... Facebook removed chronological order to posts so they can manipulate what is presented to users any time they want.
- VRay 7y agoyou can manually tell it to view recent posts first and get what you're looking for Of course, when you do that, you get overwhelmed with thousands of obnoxious reposted political memes, and if you unfollow the people posting them you miss out on important life events Facebook lets you make lists of friends and view posts from that list chronologically too, but it only gives a couple days' worth of posts from the lists, so that ends up being pretty useless too EDIT: I should note that it'll automatically go back to its own evil sorting algorithm pretty often, so you have to keep clicking on "Recent First" again and again
- lando2319 7y agoTon of people on here dogging on Facebook, "SEE FACEBOOK ADMITS IT'S PRODUCT IS BAD". What do you call it when a company recognizes an area for improvement and strives to improve it? Where I come from that's just good business.
- winternett 7y agoThat's akin to the Mafia saying they're going to install a "consumer feedback box" on Jimmy Hoffa's grave... We all need to raise our standards for corporate behavior...
- fsociety 7y agoYeah people don't want to see Facebook improve and become beneficial. They want to see it burn and die. It's worse now that tech is more about dogmatism as it becomes more popular. The reality is they have a lot to improve, and they want to improve to keep the business running. It's good that people are critical of FB and other companies, but many cross the line into a purely emotional state. Even the rhetoric of Facebook breaking democracy is just a rhetoric. It's a problem with the whole industry. There are many more Cambridge Analytica companies that don't require data from Facebook to know everything about you. It's good though that CA was a huge news story. I'm hopeful that in the next decade we can figure out these things because it is a huge problem.
- agurk 7y agoThose of us who've been here long enough will remember HN used to show the points for each comment next to the author's name. It would be interesting to know if anyone had collected any metrics relating to this and how it affected the experience. Personally I remember just after the change was first made I kept automatically looking for the score, as I had been using it for some hueristic for how much I should value the contents of the comment. Removing it made me a lot more critical and also open to potentially less popular ideas. I do know that greyed out comments still make me automatically think less of them, and I try and make a point of upvoting comments that are downvoted because people disagree with them (rather than troll/spam/bad faith comments).
- scarface74 7y agoWell, to see how it use to look.... http://tenyearsago.io/news.ycombinator.com http://tenyearsago.io/news.ycombinator.com Wow and as luck would have it. The top story on HN 10 years ago (well actually it’s not updated daily). “Experiment: No comment score” http://tenyearsago.io/news.ycombinator.com http://tenyearsago.io/news.ycombinator.com
- whatshisface 7y agoIn my own experience, about half of my greyed out comments are due to saying something against the culture, and the other half are when I say something factually wrong. That's really good compared to most places (lots of subreddits for example) where saying something that doesn't fit the culture is necessary and sufficient for a points penalty.