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>In smaller font: "each" >In even smaller font: "$150/mo" is finally explained That is really, truly, unfair. The font size choice is quite reasonable, and ma

>In smaller font: "each" >In even smaller font: "$150/mo" is finally explained That is really, truly, unfair. The font size choice is quite reasonable, and makes it easily readable. Here's what it would look like if the text was the same size: https://i.imgur.com/fTFlgHj.png https://i.imgur.com/fTFlgHj.png https://i.imgur.com/DCWpN9J.png https://i.imgur.com/DCWpN9J.png >"High-speed data up to 22 GB/person & slower after." is not unlimited data when the "slower after" speeds can barely load google's search page. It is, 'high-speed data up to 22 GB/person & slower after". Do we need to start throwing around a dictionary definition of the word unlimited? This is getting old... I use Freedom (previously known as Wind) in Canada, and their "slower speeds" on the unlimited plans are more than satisfactory. I don't even notice that I'm throttled until I check my text messages. As a result, I reach 12GB+ on my 6GB plan almost every month. So for me, their unlimited plan is very much unlimited.

objektif 7y ago
I am bot really sure what you are defending here. Unlimited means without limits. 22gb is a limit. I am glad 12gb is enough for you but its not for many.
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mehhh 7y ago
You might not notice 256kbps throttling, but most people will. Youtube stops working right, Bandcamp, Pandora & Spotify buffer, and browsing the web or navigating takes a bit to load. The top couple percent of T-Mobile USA users use over 50GB of data a month, mostly on unlimited plans without hard throttles. An "unlimited" plan that hard throttles at 22GB of usage is decietful given this context, hence all other carriers not using hard throttles on Unlimited plans. All 4 major US carriers would brand this plan as a 22GB plan with no overages.
- tw04 7y ago
  >All 4 major US carriers would brand this plan as a 22GB plan with no overages. What are you smoking? Every one of Verizon's plans that have caps identical to this are "unlimited" https://www.verizonwireless.com/plans/unlimited/ https://www.verizonwireless.com/plans/unlimited/
  - mehhh 7y ago
    Verizon claims to deprioritize on busy towers rather than hard throttle you after a certain number of gigs. Same thing happens for T-Mobile, AT&T & Sprint. With a hard throttle there is no way a user could burn 200GB a month over LTE, but with deprioritization you still get full LTE speeds on most cell towers.
    - skavi 7y ago
      Does an MVNO like Fi have that kind of control though?
      - mokus 7y ago
        Does being unable to offer something justify mischaracterizing what they can offer as if it were that thing?
    - jrochkind1 7y ago
      I have found my phone on Cricket (owned by AT&T) is surprisingly usable after data cap is reached and you are throttled. Like, email and even google maps, no problem. Facebook perfectly usable although with some lag. I didn't bother trying to watch videos. I have been curious if the usability of "throttled" speeds differs between carriers.
      - Pfhreak 7y ago
        > surprisingly usable > I didn't bother trying to watch videos. Uh-huh. Missing video means the service is unusable.
philliphaydon 7y ago
Slow speeds? Like throttling after you exceed a data cap?? In 2019?!? Crazy.
FussyZeus 7y ago
> That is really, truly, unfair. The font size choice is quite reasonable, and makes it easily readable. Yeah, but it's insulting. "Unlimited" is not unlimited with a fucking limit, doesn't matter how reasonable or unreasonable it is. Every time I look at an ad I gotta sit there and look for asterisks or numbers, and then find the fine print where the actual information is contained, not just the marketing wank. How about just tell me how much your fucking thing costs in plain fucking English? Maybe I don't want to decipher your advert like it's a goddamn Captcha. $150 for Unlimited (assuming it was actually unlimited, which it's not) isn't even an unreasonable price, but when you lead with $50, and then oh by the way it's actually $150, oh and by the way it's limited, you've made what is logically a good deal now look tremendously worse for your effort of trying to "hook" me. How about just tell me what it costs, you know, like you're an honest seller of a product and I'm a grown fucking man who you have an ounce of respect for?
- dheera 7y ago
  I totally agree with this. 22GB is 22GB, not Unlimited. Just say it's 22GB. There are lots of things I would do with something truly unlimited that I couldn't do with 22GB.
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  - FussyZeus 7y ago
    And I've paid a lot more than $150 a month for 8GB for a long time from Verizon. This is not a bad deal but is made to look like a bad deal, is my point, because the marketers just can't help themselves.
- afiori 7y ago
  To be fair this is quite good actually in readability, it is not a captcha or an asterisk it is literally in the main box as one of the main points (the first of them) A criticism is that it is not clear if the "may stream 480p video" refers to the slower after and whether it is a "guarantee" or not really a possibility. But for the rest it also explicitly tells you the maximum amount you might end up paying each month. Honestly do not see what you are complaining about.
Romanulus 7y ago
Still a little sleazy... Reminds me of something like: "10 easy payments of 15 dollars!" Also, do you really want Google owning even more of the internet?
dheera 7y ago
> I use Freedom (previously known as Wind) in Canada, and their "slower speeds" on the unlimited plans are more than satisfactory. I don't even notice that I'm throttled until I check my text messages. Well, I do notice. Especially when I'm trying to operate telepresence robots or the like and the video streams crap out while you're trying to navigate. Or when I'm trying to work on my laptop outdoors far away from home and need to download lots of things over LTE. Just because you only use 140-byte messages doesn't mean others who are trying to live the future don't notice. >As a result, I reach 12GB+ on my 6GB plan almost every month. So for me, their unlimited plan is very much unlimited. It isn't unlimited for me. I can easily hit 22GB. Unlimited means unlimited, and 22GB isn't unlimited.
daveFNbuck 7y ago
The unreasonable thing is putting the $50 number at the top when that's not what will be charged. I saw this and immediately compared $50 to my current bill. It's nice to include the per person number, but putting it giant at the top is confusing and deceptive. Here's what it would look like if they weren't trying to obfuscate the total: https://i.imgur.com/9E5ADcn.jpg https://i.imgur.com/9E5ADcn.jpg
williamchangnpu 7y ago
Everytime talking about this, I do think living in China is a more affordable option, I have a plan(coperation perk) which offer me 20GB data, but after that it will be throttled to 100KB/s, which cost me 10 rmb/mon.

objektif 7y ago

I am bot really sure what you are defending here. Unlimited means without limits. 22gb is a limit. I am glad 12gb is enough for you but its not for many.

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mehhh 7y ago

You might not notice 256kbps throttling, but most people will. Youtube stops working right, Bandcamp, Pandora & Spotify buffer, and browsing the web or navigating takes a bit to load. The top couple percent of T-Mobile USA users use over 50GB of data a month, mostly on unlimited plans without hard throttles. An "unlimited" plan that hard throttles at 22GB of usage is decietful given this context, hence all other carriers not using hard throttles on Unlimited plans. All 4 major US carriers would brand this plan as a 22GB plan with no overages.

tw04 7y ago
>All 4 major US carriers would brand this plan as a 22GB plan with no overages. What are you smoking? Every one of Verizon's plans that have caps identical to this are "unlimited" https://www.verizonwireless.com/plans/unlimited/ https://www.verizonwireless.com/plans/unlimited/
- mehhh 7y ago
  Verizon claims to deprioritize on busy towers rather than hard throttle you after a certain number of gigs. Same thing happens for T-Mobile, AT&T & Sprint. With a hard throttle there is no way a user could burn 200GB a month over LTE, but with deprioritization you still get full LTE speeds on most cell towers.
  - skavi 7y ago
    Does an MVNO like Fi have that kind of control though?
    - mokus 7y ago
      Does being unable to offer something justify mischaracterizing what they can offer as if it were that thing?
  - jrochkind1 7y ago
    I have found my phone on Cricket (owned by AT&T) is surprisingly usable after data cap is reached and you are throttled. Like, email and even google maps, no problem. Facebook perfectly usable although with some lag. I didn't bother trying to watch videos. I have been curious if the usability of "throttled" speeds differs between carriers.
    - Pfhreak 7y ago
      > surprisingly usable > I didn't bother trying to watch videos. Uh-huh. Missing video means the service is unusable.

philliphaydon 7y ago

Slow speeds? Like throttling after you exceed a data cap?? In 2019?!? Crazy.

FussyZeus 7y ago

> That is really, truly, unfair. The font size choice is quite reasonable, and makes it easily readable. Yeah, but it's insulting. "Unlimited" is not unlimited with a fucking limit, doesn't matter how reasonable or unreasonable it is. Every time I look at an ad I gotta sit there and look for asterisks or numbers, and then find the fine print where the actual information is contained, not just the marketing wank. How about just tell me how much your fucking thing costs in plain fucking English? Maybe I don't want to decipher your advert like it's a goddamn Captcha. $150 for Unlimited (assuming it was actually unlimited, which it's not) isn't even an unreasonable price, but when you lead with $50, and then oh by the way it's actually $150, oh and by the way it's limited, you've made what is logically a good deal now look tremendously worse for your effort of trying to "hook" me. How about just tell me what it costs, you know, like you're an honest seller of a product and I'm a grown fucking man who you have an ounce of respect for?

dheera 7y ago
I totally agree with this. 22GB is 22GB, not Unlimited. Just say it's 22GB. There are lots of things I would do with something truly unlimited that I couldn't do with 22GB.
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- FussyZeus 7y ago
  And I've paid a lot more than $150 a month for 8GB for a long time from Verizon. This is not a bad deal but is made to look like a bad deal, is my point, because the marketers just can't help themselves.
afiori 7y ago
To be fair this is quite good actually in readability, it is not a captcha or an asterisk it is literally in the main box as one of the main points (the first of them) A criticism is that it is not clear if the "may stream 480p video" refers to the slower after and whether it is a "guarantee" or not really a possibility. But for the rest it also explicitly tells you the maximum amount you might end up paying each month. Honestly do not see what you are complaining about.

Romanulus 7y ago

Still a little sleazy... Reminds me of something like: "10 easy payments of 15 dollars!" Also, do you really want Google owning even more of the internet?

dheera 7y ago

> I use Freedom (previously known as Wind) in Canada, and their "slower speeds" on the unlimited plans are more than satisfactory. I don't even notice that I'm throttled until I check my text messages. Well, I do notice. Especially when I'm trying to operate telepresence robots or the like and the video streams crap out while you're trying to navigate. Or when I'm trying to work on my laptop outdoors far away from home and need to download lots of things over LTE. Just because you only use 140-byte messages doesn't mean others who are trying to live the future don't notice. >As a result, I reach 12GB+ on my 6GB plan almost every month. So for me, their unlimited plan is very much unlimited. It isn't unlimited for me. I can easily hit 22GB. Unlimited means unlimited, and 22GB isn't unlimited.

daveFNbuck 7y ago

The unreasonable thing is putting the $50 number at the top when that's not what will be charged. I saw this and immediately compared $50 to my current bill. It's nice to include the per person number, but putting it giant at the top is confusing and deceptive. Here's what it would look like if they weren't trying to obfuscate the total: https://i.imgur.com/9E5ADcn.jpg https://i.imgur.com/9E5ADcn.jpg

williamchangnpu 7y ago

Everytime talking about this, I do think living in China is a more affordable option, I have a plan(coperation perk) which offer me 20GB data, but after that it will be throttled to 100KB/s, which cost me 10 rmb/mon.