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I reckon it's misdirection. "We'll say it's a UFO, but really it's a hypersonic plane in development." Just like the SR71 had a cover story during its developm
by simonblack 7y ago
I reckon it's misdirection. "We'll say it's a UFO, but really it's a hypersonic plane in development."
Just like the SR71 had a cover story during its development phase. "The wreckage was recovered in two days, and persons at the scene were identified and requested to sign secrecy agreements. A cover story for the press described the accident as occurring to a F-105, and it is still listed in this way on official records." - https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/kent-csi/vol15no1/html/v15i1a01p_0001.htm https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intellig...
- ImaCake 7y agoThis seems the most credible to me. I wonder which nation state has these machines? Because they are clearly incredible. It would certainly be nicer than using conventional aircraft when flying Australia to Europe, even at the expense of experiencing high G forces. I think the press articles we see about this are part of a broader information war campaign trying to plant red herrings to confuse other nation state actors.
- georgeburdell 7y ago>nation state Your diction says much about your point of view.
- starpilot 7y agoEven a hypersonic aircraft wouldn't be capable of the maneuvers witnessed. It was also shaped like a tic tac, which doesn't align with any known hypersonic airframe shaping technique (like a wedge or waverider).
- jonathankoren 7y agoThis is of course assuming that the purported maneuvers actually happened, and I’m not the least convinced that they are. Unfortunately I can’t find the video right now, but there was a video I watched where the guy broke down the GoFast video using the angles and speed displayed screen, and made a very convincing argument that it’s not actually moving fast, but appears to be going fast do to parallax. Instead it’s basically going wind speed — like a balloon. Similarly, as someone linked to elsewhere in this discussion, the images showing up as glowing ovals don’t actually mean anything. Everything shows up as ovals in FLIR artifacts. I’m thinking these are just the most mundane of mundane items, that are only bringing detected because of ironically increased sensor fidelity.
- typeformer 7y agoYeah that guy, he doesn't know jack squat.
- jonathankoren 7y agoThis is the video. I don’t know why you’re dismissive. It’s literally just trigonometry using numbers displayed in the video itself. https://youtu.be/PLyEO0jNt6M https://youtu.be/PLyEO0jNt6M
- repolfx 7y agoNo? He seemed to know his stuff very well. He also studied the other videos and showed that the data on screen didn't really match the pilot testimony and some of the apparently impossible manoeuvres matched exactly what you'd expect to see happen as the sensor rotated to avoid gimbal lock.
- colechristensen 7y agoThere is also misdirection via (apparent) incompetence. Give as little information as possible, or wrong vague suggestions to the people writing the press releases. That makes it look like you're trying to mislead/lie/coverup. It's a good strategy to advertise new capabilities to adversaries and/or let them know you know about theirs or just to make them think rare atmospheric/sensor phenomena are scary new tech.
- typeformer 7y agoOr it is a cover up that has been going on pretty successfully for decades because the truth seems to sensational for some people to believe.
- m463 7y agocould it be one of these? https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27185/f-35s-most-sinister-capability-are-towed-decoys-that-unreel-from-inside-its-stealthy-skin https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27185/f-35s-most-sinis...
- carbocation 7y agoDoes this image [1] from that article purport to depict landing gear down... with afterburners? 1 = https://the-drive.imgix.net/https%3A%2F%2Fs3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com%2Fthe-drive-cms-content-staging%2Fmessage-editor%252F1553808441667-vaaaac.jpg?auto=compress%2Cformat&ixlib=js-1.4.1&s=c15b635fab9ac5a2d1ed29c9c9958690 https://the-drive.imgix.net/https%3A%2F%2Fs3-us-west-2.amazo...
- ceejayoz 7y agoWhat's wrong with that? That's how you'd typically take off from a carrier. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afterburner#/media/File:FA18_on_afterburner.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afterburner#/media/File:FA18_o... As long as you don't exceed the max speed for the gear, no problem.
- groby_b 7y agoLet's just say that at that attitude and height, it's an unusual configuration.
- wavefunction 7y agoThey're also posing for a picture.
- carbocation 7y agoAlong the lines of `groby_b's comment - the elevation and orientation didn't make me think of a carrier takeoff. Rather, at a quick glance this looked like a photoshop. Although there is something about the F22's and F35's coatings that often make me think they look photoshopped.
- burnte 7y agoI hate to be the pedant, but UFO really does just mean unidentified flying object. Everything is a UFO before you know what it is, so this isn't even a lie.
- perl4ever 7y agoEven if you know what it is, if you refuse to identify it, and you're the only one who can, then it's unidentified as far as everyone else is concerned.
- iamnotacrook 7y agoThat's just the "literally" argument again. Literally doesn't mean literally, and UFO means flying saucer.
- burnte 7y agoNo, literally means literally, it's just picked up a figurative use, just like UFO actually means unidentified flying object, with a colloquial meaning of alien spaceship.
- lamontcg 7y agoIts probably a system for "jamming" FLIR sensors an allowing the attacker to project targets onto the system. The pilots were guinea pigs. Which is made more plausible by the fact that the USS Princeton asked the Nimitz pilots first if they were armed, and only after they informed the Princeton that they were not that they were given the orders to investigate. There probably was a real object -- since one was sighted but it was a drone with the advanced jamming equipment (that they didn't want to accidentally get shot down). It did not move at supersonic speed, but it projected an image onto the FLIR sensor which did. The submerged object was probably a submarine that the equipment was launched from.
- api 7y agoThat's interesting, but wasn't there also at least one visual sighting accompanying this FLIR stuff?
- lamontcg 7y ago"There probably was a real object -- since one was sighted but it was a drone with the advanced jamming equipment (that they didn't want to accidentally get shot down)."
- erik_landerholm 7y agoMinimum 4 pilots saw it, but only fravor and his WSO have been willing to speak about it.
- typeformer 7y agoMany more than one, from both the fighter jets and ship personnel onboard vessels in the regions.
- Pyxl101 7y agoIf that's the case, why not read the pilots into the test, even at a summary level? If the Navy had told the pilots, "You just experienced an advanced technology test. Nothing to worry about" then they would have undoubtedly kept their mouths shut and not talked to the media.
- api 7y agoIf we have planes that can do that, I'm a bit proud and I feel happy that all those tax dollars falling into black budget holes have been doing something interesting. Personally I doubt it. The performance of that thing (assuming it is really a physical craft) is ludicrous.
- ALittleLight 7y agoI would be a bit upset that they were hoarding technology the public sector could use.
- dymk 7y agoBe prepared for a lot of upset then
- typeformer 7y agoYeah the whole world is going to be very upset someday about the coverup, hence the continued cover up.
- kylek 7y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout
- erik_landerholm 7y agoSo Captain Fravor is s liar? He claims to of seen the tic-tac and chased it. So if it’s a secret jet, he’s a liar, or we developed anti-gravity tech in secrecy somehow.
- ceejayoz 7y agoMembers of the military are required at times to lie to preserve secrets. Anyone in-the-know asked about the F-117, for example, would've been required by law to deny its existence. There's another possibility, too; he's human, and humans frequently make mistakes. Eyewitness reports are incredibly unreliable.
- erik_landerholm 7y agoHave you actually listened to any of his long form interviews? He’s either lying or telling the truth. No way, he just made a mistake. Oh and his WSO is lying, people on the Princeton, people in the DOD, etc.
- ceejayoz 7y agoPeople who are genuinely mistaken about something may talk very earnestly about what they believe they saw. And, again, the military lying to uncleared civilians is hardly without precedent.
- elif 7y agoIt is possible he saw the tic tac on sensors, saw 'something' with his eyes, and human perception/cognition blended them into a coherent memory. I'm not saying that happened, just that it is a possibility. Personally I think it's aliens.
- EGreg 7y agoIt can also be another country’s tech in our airspace US is so not used to that!
- jonathankoren 7y agoThis happened all the time during the Cold War, and probing air and sea defenses is something that every military does on regular basis.
- wavefunction 7y agoWe have Airbus and Embraers flying around in the US every day. And that's just from my limited knowledge of airplanes.
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