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Soil depletion: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/soil-depletion-and-nutrition-loss/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/soil-depletion-an...

Soil depletion: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/soil-depletion-and-nutrition-loss/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/soil-depletion-an... I have a friend who refers to vitamins as "expensive pee". He means taking vitamin pills when you eat a good diet containing fruits and veg is unnecessary because your body will excrete out the excess. I like to point out to him that fruits and veg are not what they used to be.

chrisco255 7y ago
Don't forget meat has absolutely tons of essential nutrients and vitamins, some of which can't be found in fruits and vegetables.
- fucking_tragedy 7y ago
  I wouldn't doubt that meat suffers from similar nutrient deficiencies. After all, livestock are fed from the same supply chain.
  - chrisco255 7y ago
    Cows are still fed grass. Over 90% of their diet even in grain-finished beef is grass. Chicken and pork I can't speak to as much.
    - exhilaration 7y ago
      In American feed lots? That's not what I read in the Omnivore's Dilemma. It was the opposite actually.
      - thomas11 7y ago
        In feed lots they're fed grain, but that's only the last few months of their life. That's why it's called grain-finished rather than grain-fed.
- lucb1e 7y ago
  Shouldn't all vegetarians or vegans fall ill sooner or later then? It seems like a weird statement given how many people do it successfully. Of course, as a vegan/vegetarian you have to look at replacements for what you are missing, but saying that "don't forget that you need your meat!" in this modern world with no source or mention of any specific nutrient is a little weird.
  - food_eater 7y ago
    I've personally known of a handful of vegans and vegetarians who've all reported back after years of being on that diet of being extremely deficient in nutrients. Brain fog, lack of energy, anemia, pale skin, thinness, a ton of symptoms. Doctors recommend them to begin eating at least fish and these people got noticeably better. Have heard of dozens more of similar cases from friends of friends. I think the vegetarians and vegans are indeed falling ill, it just happens over a long period if time and not very noticeable.
    - ssijak 7y ago
      I also know that half the population is overweight or obese and has various problems and they eat meat. Both vegans and meat eaters can have good or bad diets. I know vegans who only eat processed junk foods or who are deluded with some weird restrictive diets. But eating varied whole food plant based diet provides all the nutrients needed.
      - chrisco255 7y ago
        No it doesn't. B12, K2 and DHA based Omega-3s that your brain runs on are non existent in plant foods. Cholesterol, Choline, calcium, Vitamin D are difficult to come by in plant based diets. Finally, the plant based form of Vitamin A (beta carotene) is only bioavailable to humans in 0-8% of the quantities consumed depending on your individual genetics. And women can convert this better than men.
        ssijak 7y ago
behringer 7y ago
It's not only expensive pee, but also potentially damages your kidneys. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/is-there-really-any-benefit-to-multivitamins https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-preventi... You shouldn't take supplements unless your doctor advises you to due to some (actual and not perceived) deficiency.
- graeme 7y ago
  Did you mean to link something else? That page doesn't appear to mention kidneys.
  - behringer 7y ago
    It was more supplemental than citation. Maybe they won't affect your kidneys. That's just something I heard when the NIH study broke in the news. Consult your doctor, etc.
    - citiguy 7y ago
      The last time I saw my doctor she mentioned Calcium supplements can cause kidney stones(1). They can also be bad for your heart(2). Also, it often is not clear how pure supplements are. She advised me to get as many nutrients as I could from my regular food. 1 - https://www.webmd.com/kidney-stones/news/20151013/calcium-supplements-tied-to-kidney-stone-risk-in-study#1 https://www.webmd.com/kidney-stones/news/20151013/calcium-su... 2 - https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-attack/expert-answers/calcium-supplements/faq-20058352 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-attack/...
    - graeme 7y ago
      I found this on supplements that can cause kidney harm. Seems it can happen even absent kidney disease. https://www.consumerlab.com/amp/answers/can-taking-a-lot-of-supplements-really-damage-the-kidneys/supplements_kidney_disease/ https://www.consumerlab.com/amp/answers/can-taking-a-lot-of-...
- kevin_b_er 7y ago
dmacut 7y ago
Pretty much. My dad's a doctor and has always told me Emergen-C is just fizzy Tang, if you remember that stuff.

chrisco255 7y ago

Don't forget meat has absolutely tons of essential nutrients and vitamins, some of which can't be found in fruits and vegetables.

fucking_tragedy 7y ago
I wouldn't doubt that meat suffers from similar nutrient deficiencies. After all, livestock are fed from the same supply chain.
- chrisco255 7y ago
  Cows are still fed grass. Over 90% of their diet even in grain-finished beef is grass. Chicken and pork I can't speak to as much.
  - exhilaration 7y ago
    In American feed lots? That's not what I read in the Omnivore's Dilemma. It was the opposite actually.
    - thomas11 7y ago
      In feed lots they're fed grain, but that's only the last few months of their life. That's why it's called grain-finished rather than grain-fed.
lucb1e 7y ago
Shouldn't all vegetarians or vegans fall ill sooner or later then? It seems like a weird statement given how many people do it successfully. Of course, as a vegan/vegetarian you have to look at replacements for what you are missing, but saying that "don't forget that you need your meat!" in this modern world with no source or mention of any specific nutrient is a little weird.
- food_eater 7y ago
  I've personally known of a handful of vegans and vegetarians who've all reported back after years of being on that diet of being extremely deficient in nutrients. Brain fog, lack of energy, anemia, pale skin, thinness, a ton of symptoms. Doctors recommend them to begin eating at least fish and these people got noticeably better. Have heard of dozens more of similar cases from friends of friends. I think the vegetarians and vegans are indeed falling ill, it just happens over a long period if time and not very noticeable.
  - ssijak 7y ago
    I also know that half the population is overweight or obese and has various problems and they eat meat. Both vegans and meat eaters can have good or bad diets. I know vegans who only eat processed junk foods or who are deluded with some weird restrictive diets. But eating varied whole food plant based diet provides all the nutrients needed.
    - chrisco255 7y ago
      No it doesn't. B12, K2 and DHA based Omega-3s that your brain runs on are non existent in plant foods. Cholesterol, Choline, calcium, Vitamin D are difficult to come by in plant based diets. Finally, the plant based form of Vitamin A (beta carotene) is only bioavailable to humans in 0-8% of the quantities consumed depending on your individual genetics. And women can convert this better than men.
      - ssijak 7y ago

behringer 7y ago

It's not only expensive pee, but also potentially damages your kidneys. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/is-there-really-any-benefit-to-multivitamins https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-preventi... You shouldn't take supplements unless your doctor advises you to due to some (actual and not perceived) deficiency.

graeme 7y ago
Did you mean to link something else? That page doesn't appear to mention kidneys.
- behringer 7y ago
  It was more supplemental than citation. Maybe they won't affect your kidneys. That's just something I heard when the NIH study broke in the news. Consult your doctor, etc.
  - citiguy 7y ago
    The last time I saw my doctor she mentioned Calcium supplements can cause kidney stones(1). They can also be bad for your heart(2). Also, it often is not clear how pure supplements are. She advised me to get as many nutrients as I could from my regular food. 1 - https://www.webmd.com/kidney-stones/news/20151013/calcium-supplements-tied-to-kidney-stone-risk-in-study#1 https://www.webmd.com/kidney-stones/news/20151013/calcium-su... 2 - https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-attack/expert-answers/calcium-supplements/faq-20058352 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-attack/...
  - graeme 7y ago
    I found this on supplements that can cause kidney harm. Seems it can happen even absent kidney disease. https://www.consumerlab.com/amp/answers/can-taking-a-lot-of-supplements-really-damage-the-kidneys/supplements_kidney_disease/ https://www.consumerlab.com/amp/answers/can-taking-a-lot-of-...
kevin_b_er 7y ago

dmacut 7y ago

Pretty much. My dad's a doctor and has always told me Emergen-C is just fizzy Tang, if you remember that stuff.