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Eyewitnesses describe brutal beatings by HK police
- adamnemecek 7y agoHow can people in Europe and US help?
- option 7y agoletting you elected representatives know that you care is the easiest thing we can do.
- adamnemecek 7y agoSomething more direct.
- adammunich 7y agoStop buying imported goods?
- dqonvzpa 7y agoStop 'United States–Hong Kong Policy Act' will definitely hurt the HK gov and CCP.
- H8crilA 7y agoDon't, freezing the global trade is dangerous. It was one of the causes of the German debt crisis and the rise of Hitler. Trade tools are incredibly effective in foreign policy and therefore seem very appealing to people in power but also too often ended up badly for the world when deployed. Know the history.
- chillacy 7y agoPick a spot on the spectrum between "plane ticket, wear black, brave tear gas and beatings" and "thoughts and prayers"
- anigbrowl 7y agoAmplify HK voices and focus on the issues they are unhappy about rather than the polities involved, which easily degenerates into nationalistic tribalism. Being supportive of protesters' demand for civil rights, self-determination, and rejection of authoritarian policing doesn't necessarily mean being against Chinese people; resist attempts by people to reshape the discussion on such terms. I suggest not working through conventional political channels involving state actors, where the marginal utility of your participation is negligible and you are empowering state institutions which ultimately disempowers individuals and communities. Study up on direct action techniques; if you're in the right area, protest things like companies who supply riot equipment to police; disrupt, get attention, and use that as a platform to express solidarity with HK. Direct action is effective, politically empowering, and equips you to fight against political repression yourself if there is any risk that you could find yourself or your community subject to it in the future.
- __m 7y agoBy staying out of it. Hongkong belongs to China just as Catalonia belongs to Spain, or California to the US. Imagine China interfering with that.
- inflatableDodo 7y agoIs easy to imagine. People go all over the place and people love interfering. History would be dramatically different otherwise. And probably a lot shorter.
- qub1t 7y agoJust because Hong Kong “belongs” to China doesn’t mean the west should ignore the wishes of what seems like the majority of the population that lives there. Especially when they’re protesting against an anti-democratic authoritarian government, and all they’re asking for is a reduction of police brutality and the right to a democratically elected government.
- verttii 7y agoThough what could we do about it?
- kevin_b_er 7y agoShine light on the brutality and inhumanity of the Communist Party of China to the rest of the world. The CPC tries to keep secret its cruelty, tries to keep secret its concentration camps, tries to silents their people's discussion about the true nature of the CPC, and tries to keep secret its leader's lust to be a new Mao. Sunshine on the CPC's true nature is the best disinfectant.
- verttii 7y agoNot sure what all that sunshine has done so far about those concentration camps in Xinjiang and possibly elsewhere too. I'd say just about nothing. The communist party seems rather immune to criticism. Franky, HK's struggle looks hopeless to me.
- jrjdjdhhedh 7y agoThey could have not made China the leading power in Asia 30 years ago.
- nitrobeast 7y agoBy being more concerned about police brutality in US, which will give totalitarian states less excuse to behave similarly.
- i_am_nomad 7y agoI have yet to hear the Chinese government explain their actions in Hong Kong with regards to American police procedure.
- Simon_says 7y agoThe wumao bring it up periodically. Whataboutism is like their favorite pastime.
- akvadrako 7y agoStay out of it; this is an internal Chinese issue. Imagine if China started trying to help Antifa or alt-right protestors shut down an airport in the US. That kind of interference could lead to war.
- MisterTea 7y ago> That kind of interference could lead to war. Or a crappy election cycle.
- Junk_Collector 7y agoThey do; I thought that this was common knowledge. A quick example from a few years ago http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,135999,00.html http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,135999,... See also last election.
- ackbar03 7y agoThe entire thing about protestors walking around with us and UK flags is a farce, its messed up and I will never be able to take the protestors seriously if that's what they do. Hong Kong was handed over to the British over the opium war. This was a war where the Chinese people tried to stop the British from selling poison to their population. The loss of Hong Kong was a humiliation, a shame to everyone Chinese. Yet these people wave the British flag during their protest? They'd rather be someone's dog again? I'm sorry but I look down at them, if they don't like Hong Kong then please get out of here
- verttii 7y agoTo be honest there's really not much anyone is willing to do for HK. Particularly the European nations are doing everything to avoid provoking China anyhow. Look at how almost no one is willing to even acknowledge Taiwan's independence in fear of Chinese reaction. Unfortunately, HK's case is much more hopeless than Taiwan's.
- vkou 7y agoWe can stop repressing domestic protestors, so that we won't be the pot calling the kettle black. Or, if we aren't interested in doing that, contemplate this may be none of our business, just like police brutality at home is none of China's business. Or, consider it a third way - we as a society are incapable, or unwilling in reigning in police brutality against domestic protestors. What makes you think we are at all capable of bringing such a change to another country, when we can't even do it to our own?
- logfromblammo 7y agoAccept more asylum and immigration petitions from Hong Kong residents that want to get out. Help them bring their money with them. Publish and broadcast Cantonese-language information encouraging skilled and educated people to leave Hong Kong. Hong Kong is China. No one disputes it. These protests cannot be seen as anything other than a rearguard action to cover the retreat of those who don't want to be ruled by Beijing. So give them a place to go other than Vancouver. If it had the political will, and were less racist, the US could absorb 750k people to Houston, New Orleans, Mobile, and Tampa, which represents 10% of Hong Kong, and 10% the metro populations of those cities. The coast of the US facing the Gulf of Mexico is superficially similar to the Chinese coast facing the South China Sea, and there must be at least some businesses that could be transplanted without too many operational changes.
- magduf 7y agoThe US can't easily absorb so many people unless they're dirt poor and willing to live 20 to an apartment. That many middle-class people will make the traffic situation far worse, because the US absolutely refuses to build more densely and build more public transit to make cities walkable. It's not a good place to live at all.
- treeman79 7y agoOdds on Chinese media pumping up anti Hong long stories?
- jrjdjdhhedh 7y agoMainland police wearing HK uniforms. Fuck Beijing.
- nitrobeast 7y agoTaiwanese journalist got soaked in gasoline in Hongkong for speaking Mandarin. https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/cznbdi/riot_supporting_taiwanese_journalists_got/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/cznbdi/riot_supportin...
- marak830 7y agoR/Sino, please, a massive dump of ccp workers and sympathetics.
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 7y agoWhat can you do about this? Pretty much nothing. China is the second largest economy in the world, and has the second most powerful military. In addition, what they view as the integrity of China is one of their biggest priorities. In addition, they have always viewed British control of Hong Kong as a national humiliation and are bent on erasing all traces of that memory. The way it stands right now, China can inflict a lot more pain, and is likely willing to endure more pain that the rest of the world is likely willing to inflict on China because of their behavior in Hong Kong. Basically, the fate of Hong Kong was decided in 1985 with the Sino-British Joint Declaration which ceded Hong Kong back to China in 1997. If Great Britain, and the rest of the world did not have the will to resist China taking control of Hong Kong in 1985 and 1997 when China was a lot less powerful, a lot less developed, and a lot more susceptible to pressure from the rest of the world, there is no hope for now.
- H8crilA 7y agoThis situation we're in is making me really uneasy. WW2 was preceded by tariffs and a freezing of global trade, which messed up the German economy too much, pushed it into an inflationary debt crisis and eventually created Nazism. Nazism was a response to a perceived foreign threat that "did a lot of damage to our people, and it's time for us to be the best". Say the trade war ends up badly and the Chinese debt bubble pops. How easily can the mainlanders be convinced that it's "the West", in particular America, fucking with them, as they already believe is the case in Hong Kong protests. Then collectively mobilize into a military response, starting a process that will take tens of millions of lives. We're all people, please never forget that. The single thing all of us want is not to be drafted into the military and give our lives in a service of some dogma, bleeding out to death on a street in some remote corner of the world.
- cynicalkane 7y ago> pushed it into an inflationary debt crisis and eventually created Nazism The hyperinflation of the early 20s has a lot of sticking power in the mind, but it was the severe deflationary crisis of 1929-32 that immediately preceded the rise of Nazism.
- mexus 7y agoWhy did this story get flagged? I found it interesting and learned a bit more about the topic.
- spraak 7y agoI'm left wondering the same thing, and increasingly frustrated that these kind of questions about HN's transparency never get answered
- grzm 7y agoStories that show up as '[flagged]' are flagged by members. There's no mystery or conspiracy here. Given the number of China and HK stories that appear on HN and the tendency for the comments to generate a lot of heat (as opposed to constructive light) and tread the same ground, I think it's likely that there are enough members to flag this story to get it tagged '[flagged]'.
- dqonvzpa 7y agoHN is influenced by CCP. Paul Graham is doing business in China. Any bad words about CCP will get censored. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17763426 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17763426
- dang 7y agoEvery part of that is untrue.
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- dqonvzpa 7y agoCheck this thread, you'll know why this topic get flagged. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17763426 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17763426
- dqonvzpa 7y ago
- tomohawk 7y agoOnce the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) consolidates control, this is what HK protesters have to look forward to: https://chinatribunal.com/final-judgement-report/ https://chinatribunal.com/final-judgement-report/
- skitout 7y agoDuring yellow vest protests, we've seen thing as violent, and France is not China...
- richthegeek 7y agoQED https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20916595 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20916595
- skitout 7y agoYou made me realized I have not been clear, and my post could seems to minimize what happen in HK, which was not my intention. I just wanted to point we also need to defend democracy elsewhere, even in "democratic" countries like France.
- richthegeek 7y agoI see - it came across as Whataboutism in a thread that is already somewhat brigaded by pro-China agents. Apologies if this was not the intention.
- skitout 7y agoI realized my post was not clear. I 100% support HK protester! I 100% condemn HK police and authorities. Just wanted to point that despite the fact most of us live in democracy, police can act super violently against protestors, and we don't necessarily realize it before it happens. We need to support HK protestor, and also keep fighting for democracy where we live
- eznoonze 7y agoIn a democracy you have recourse when abused by the police. In a dictatorship, police is just a tool of the ruler to control the population.
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- Pulletwee12549 7y agoWhy don’t they include some videos from the scene? People today don’t read and they only include one photo of a guy with his head in his hands... I’m glad they talk about it but I wonder how much impact this article actually has...
- tomtompl 7y agoMore brutal than in France? Funny how everyone just moved on about French protests.
- Sag0Sag0 7y agoRemember, this is hacker news. People here love ragging on China, despite the criticism relatively often being hypocritical.
- ackbar03 7y agoI'm going to support above poster on this one because it's true. Every opinion here that offers an opinion not in support of the protestors seems to be disregarded as a Chinese agent and gets down voted
- chachachoney 7y agoYeah, it's crazy to witness solidarity amongst people supporting democratic ideals in the age of the troll farm.
- Sag0Sag0 7y agoAhh yes. Which is why the members of Hacker News were so into solidarity with the Yellow vesters. Ohh, wait its only when Chinese citizens protest that its good.
- chachachoney 7y agoThat's interesting. I haven't read any of the yellow vest comment threads on HN. Are there people posting in this thread who were active in the Yellow vest threads?
- Huycfhct 7y agoBecause you were rioting over a fuel price increase and destroyed a city. That's embarrassing. I wouldn't hijacked a thread to compare yourself to HK people fighting the CCP for the right to vote.
- stevespang 7y agoTime to send China a message, vaporize the Spratleys in one fell swoop.
- mikelyons 7y agoChina is too big and needs to be broken up!
- techsin101 7y agoWorld has no balls