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Having young girl-friends is not the same as sex trafficking, though, or is it? I thought sex trafficking would be luring girls out of their country with false

Having young girl-friends is not the same as sex trafficking, though, or is it? I thought sex trafficking would be luring girls out of their country with false promises, then burning their passports so that they can't flee. I wouldn't consider it overly weird if rich guys have young girl-friends. Maybe it is just because Hollywood has groomed me to expect it, I don't know.

coldtea 7y ago
>Having young girl-friends is not the same as sex trafficking, though, or is it? I thought sex trafficking would be luring girls out of their country with false promises, then burning their passports so that they can't flee Well, that pretty much sums up what Epstein did. You don't even need to burn passports, you can psychologically manipulate, threaten, beat up, hook on drugs, pass to friends, parade your powerful connections (event to the law), explain how they have no alternatives, and so on. Especially if you're a ultra-rich mogul with personal guards and powerful friends, and they're some teenage girl from some poor eastern european family that you promise money or to get "exposure", and so on...
- nf8nnfufuu 7y ago
  "psychologically manipulate" - isn't that just a loaded way of saying "convince"? Did he actually do all those other things, beatings, threatening? Or is it such a stereotype that it is just assumed that it must have been this way?
  - coldtea 7y ago
    >"psychologically manipulate" - isn't that just a loaded way of saying "convince"? "(...) The girls he allegedly abused were largely from troubled backgrounds, either in the foster care system, from broken families, or below the poverty line". -- and as young as 14 year old, at that. Does "convince" really apply? >Did he actually do all those other things, beatings, threatening? (...) Multiple women say they attempted to refuse Epstein, but to no avail. “I was terrified and I was telling him to stop,” said Araoz, recounting one visit during which Epstein raped her. “If I left Epstein … he could have had me killed or abducted, and I always knew he was capable of that if I did not obey him,” another alleged victim, Virginia Roberts, said during a hearing.
    - nf8nnfufuu 7y ago
      Picking vulnerable girls - OK, manipulative. 14 year olds, too - but those "assistants" presumably were older. Threats - threats are threats, going beyond "manipulation".
  - api 7y ago
    Someone is a psychopath virgin. Don't worry you'll encounter one in reality someday. After you do let me suggest not waiting to seek therapy for PTSD.
  - CydeWeys 7y ago
    Why are you going out on such limbs and repeatedly defending Epstein and his child sexual abuse in this thread? I'm struggling to understand your motivations. This should be a clear and obvious case of someone who was really fucked up, did fucked up things, and deserves nobody in polite society defending him. And yet here we are having this discussion, somehow.
    - dennisgorelik 7y ago
      nf8nnfufuu asks questions -- in order to better understand what did actually happen. Epstein had sex with girls younger than 18. But was is against their will? Epstein is dead, so he does not care if anybody defends him. But if we want to understand how Epstein operated, we should question the accusations.
      - nf8nnfufuu 7y ago
        While I think in general it is also important to understand how such things work - how young girls are being exploited. However, here I didn't even talk about his sex exploits. I only asked about a paragraph about perceiving a man with young assistants.
    - nf8nnfufuu 7y ago
      I'm in no way defending Epstein in any way. It is horrifying how many people in this thread seem to be unable to understand that. I hope nobody of you works in the legal system. You have a prejudice, and you can only see what confirms your prejudice, despite nothing of it being there. You think I defend Epstein, but I never did. I asked a question about a paragraph describing a scene of a guy visiting MIT Media Lab with young assistants (not teens, they were described s young women), and Media lab staff being concerned. I did not have the context of Epstein already being convicted as a sex offender. There was nothing in that paragraph about Epstein having sex with teens, and I didn't mention that, either. I am merely of the opinion that in general, young women from Eastern Europe should also be allowed to work as assistants for old men. That doesn't imply I endorse older men taking advantage of teens.
  - ineedasername 7y ago
    Sure, "convince". Lots of predators convince kids into the abuse through pretty normal persuasive techniques, and the same to keep them quiete. It's not all knife to the throat kind of stuff. In fact, the vast majority of abuse is that soft sell long term grooming "convince" approach.
    - dennisgorelik 7y ago
      What persuasive techniques did Epstein use to convince kids into abuse?
ineedasername 7y ago
There are degrees to this. The burning their passport thing is certainly in the black side, but there are plenty or dark shades of gray before you get there.

coldtea 7y ago

>Having young girl-friends is not the same as sex trafficking, though, or is it? I thought sex trafficking would be luring girls out of their country with false promises, then burning their passports so that they can't flee Well, that pretty much sums up what Epstein did. You don't even need to burn passports, you can psychologically manipulate, threaten, beat up, hook on drugs, pass to friends, parade your powerful connections (event to the law), explain how they have no alternatives, and so on. Especially if you're a ultra-rich mogul with personal guards and powerful friends, and they're some teenage girl from some poor eastern european family that you promise money or to get "exposure", and so on...

nf8nnfufuu 7y ago
"psychologically manipulate" - isn't that just a loaded way of saying "convince"? Did he actually do all those other things, beatings, threatening? Or is it such a stereotype that it is just assumed that it must have been this way?
- coldtea 7y ago
  >"psychologically manipulate" - isn't that just a loaded way of saying "convince"? "(...) The girls he allegedly abused were largely from troubled backgrounds, either in the foster care system, from broken families, or below the poverty line". -- and as young as 14 year old, at that. Does "convince" really apply? >Did he actually do all those other things, beatings, threatening? (...) Multiple women say they attempted to refuse Epstein, but to no avail. “I was terrified and I was telling him to stop,” said Araoz, recounting one visit during which Epstein raped her. “If I left Epstein … he could have had me killed or abducted, and I always knew he was capable of that if I did not obey him,” another alleged victim, Virginia Roberts, said during a hearing.
  - nf8nnfufuu 7y ago
    Picking vulnerable girls - OK, manipulative. 14 year olds, too - but those "assistants" presumably were older. Threats - threats are threats, going beyond "manipulation".
- api 7y ago
  Someone is a psychopath virgin. Don't worry you'll encounter one in reality someday. After you do let me suggest not waiting to seek therapy for PTSD.
- CydeWeys 7y ago
  Why are you going out on such limbs and repeatedly defending Epstein and his child sexual abuse in this thread? I'm struggling to understand your motivations. This should be a clear and obvious case of someone who was really fucked up, did fucked up things, and deserves nobody in polite society defending him. And yet here we are having this discussion, somehow.
  - dennisgorelik 7y ago
    nf8nnfufuu asks questions -- in order to better understand what did actually happen. Epstein had sex with girls younger than 18. But was is against their will? Epstein is dead, so he does not care if anybody defends him. But if we want to understand how Epstein operated, we should question the accusations.
    - nf8nnfufuu 7y ago
      While I think in general it is also important to understand how such things work - how young girls are being exploited. However, here I didn't even talk about his sex exploits. I only asked about a paragraph about perceiving a man with young assistants.
  - nf8nnfufuu 7y ago
    I'm in no way defending Epstein in any way. It is horrifying how many people in this thread seem to be unable to understand that. I hope nobody of you works in the legal system. You have a prejudice, and you can only see what confirms your prejudice, despite nothing of it being there. You think I defend Epstein, but I never did. I asked a question about a paragraph describing a scene of a guy visiting MIT Media Lab with young assistants (not teens, they were described s young women), and Media lab staff being concerned. I did not have the context of Epstein already being convicted as a sex offender. There was nothing in that paragraph about Epstein having sex with teens, and I didn't mention that, either. I am merely of the opinion that in general, young women from Eastern Europe should also be allowed to work as assistants for old men. That doesn't imply I endorse older men taking advantage of teens.
- ineedasername 7y ago
  Sure, "convince". Lots of predators convince kids into the abuse through pretty normal persuasive techniques, and the same to keep them quiete. It's not all knife to the throat kind of stuff. In fact, the vast majority of abuse is that soft sell long term grooming "convince" approach.
  - dennisgorelik 7y ago
    What persuasive techniques did Epstein use to convince kids into abuse?

ineedasername 7y ago

There are degrees to this. The burning their passport thing is certainly in the black side, but there are plenty or dark shades of gray before you get there.