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Or...report it to the police? I’d gladly risk my job to do the right thing in that instance.

by rhexs 7y ago

sjg007 7y ago
They should be mandatory reporters at least in the USA.
- CobrastanJorji 7y ago
  School contractors are mandatory reporters, but I suspect that may not qualify.
  - garmaine 7y ago
    These would not be school contractors.
    - ineedasername 7y ago
      Why not? The school contracts with the testing agency that does the grading. Seems like a contractor relationship?
      - garmaine 7y ago
        School contractor is someone who is hired by the school district on via a contractual relationship. Think temporary teachers, or custodian staff. It’s not a transitive relationship to every employee of every company who has some sort of contract, however small, with a school.
        DoctorOetker 7y ago
        every relationship however transitive or small, is a relationship too! (Dr. Seuss)
        ineedasername 7y ago
        So you're arguing that only individuals can be a contractor? That wouldn't make much sense, not only because such relationships are rare in schools. Most common are contractors that have been outsourced something like food service. The law would make no sense if it included practically no one. It would mean a company that provides, say, temp staffing within the school, and those temp staffers saw abuse, they too wouldn't be required to report. I have a hard time believing a court would rule the definition to be so narrow. Both the common language understanding of the term and legal literalism would point against that. There's no transitive property here. We're not talking about contractors hired by contractors hired by contractors. We're talking about a contractor and its employees. There is no way for it to exercise this reporting requirement save through it's individual employees.
  - dredmorbius 7y ago
    Depending on the state, yes, they are, for 11 states. https://www.childwelfare.gov/topics/systemwide/laws-policies/statutes/manda/ https://www.childwelfare.gov/topics/systemwide/laws-policies...
aidenn0 7y ago
Hand-graded standardized tests are usually anonymized.
- seanmcdirmid 7y ago
  Someone could track back the number to the testee, they need to get their grade at least.
- fucking_tragedy 7y ago
  It takes a five minute phone call with the company's legal department or a warrant to find out who the kid was. Either way it would need to be escalated to involving law enforcement.
VikingCoder 7y ago
What my mom saw had an ID number on it. No other demographics. And she was grading from multiple states. So do what? Contact her local police? With a written accusation from a child? Is that enough to get a warrant to force the company to release the demographic information? And people don't work at a job like that because they want to. They work there because they need the money. Everything she took in and out of there was monitored, too. So it's not like she can go to the Xerox, and walk out of there with a copy. It's beyond dehumanizing. For everyone. The kid, the people who work there.
- rhexs 7y ago
  Yes, contact the local police so an investigation can get started. Yes, that’s enough to at least report it.
- mrep 7y ago
  > So do what? Contact her local police? > With a written accusation from a child? Is that enough to get a warrant to force the company to release the demographic information? Absolutely! My girlfriend works as a counselor at a school and she is required by law to report all serious abuses by parents.
- inimino 7y ago
  > So do what? Contact her local police? Collect or photograph all the evidence, record every conversation with supervisors, escalate as much as possible internally, then contact local police, and at the same time go to the media. Don't quit, but if necessary let them fire you and then sue. None of this is easy.
  - hanniabu 7y ago
    When escalating I'm sure it'll be effective to say it'll be an interesting story for the news and how the incident is being blocked by supervisors that encourage child abuse.
- xkcd-sucks 7y ago
  If she did Xerox the disclosures, walked out, and said "please call the cops" when challenged, at least it would be a matter of public record

Or...report it to the police? I’d gladly risk my job to do the right thing in that instance.

by rhexs 7y ago

Or...report it to the police? I’d gladly risk my job to do the right thing in that instance.

sjg007 7y ago

They should be mandatory reporters at least in the USA.

CobrastanJorji 7y ago
School contractors are mandatory reporters, but I suspect that may not qualify.
- garmaine 7y ago
  These would not be school contractors.
  - ineedasername 7y ago
    Why not? The school contracts with the testing agency that does the grading. Seems like a contractor relationship?
    - garmaine 7y ago
      School contractor is someone who is hired by the school district on via a contractual relationship. Think temporary teachers, or custodian staff. It’s not a transitive relationship to every employee of every company who has some sort of contract, however small, with a school.
      - DoctorOetker 7y ago
        every relationship however transitive or small, is a relationship too! (Dr. Seuss)
      - ineedasername 7y ago
        So you're arguing that only individuals can be a contractor? That wouldn't make much sense, not only because such relationships are rare in schools. Most common are contractors that have been outsourced something like food service. The law would make no sense if it included practically no one. It would mean a company that provides, say, temp staffing within the school, and those temp staffers saw abuse, they too wouldn't be required to report. I have a hard time believing a court would rule the definition to be so narrow. Both the common language understanding of the term and legal literalism would point against that. There's no transitive property here. We're not talking about contractors hired by contractors hired by contractors. We're talking about a contractor and its employees. There is no way for it to exercise this reporting requirement save through it's individual employees.
- dredmorbius 7y ago
  Depending on the state, yes, they are, for 11 states. https://www.childwelfare.gov/topics/systemwide/laws-policies/statutes/manda/ https://www.childwelfare.gov/topics/systemwide/laws-policies...

aidenn0 7y ago

Hand-graded standardized tests are usually anonymized.

seanmcdirmid 7y ago
Someone could track back the number to the testee, they need to get their grade at least.
fucking_tragedy 7y ago
It takes a five minute phone call with the company's legal department or a warrant to find out who the kid was. Either way it would need to be escalated to involving law enforcement.

VikingCoder 7y ago

What my mom saw had an ID number on it. No other demographics. And she was grading from multiple states. So do what? Contact her local police? With a written accusation from a child? Is that enough to get a warrant to force the company to release the demographic information? And people don't work at a job like that because they want to. They work there because they need the money. Everything she took in and out of there was monitored, too. So it's not like she can go to the Xerox, and walk out of there with a copy. It's beyond dehumanizing. For everyone. The kid, the people who work there.

rhexs 7y ago
Yes, contact the local police so an investigation can get started. Yes, that’s enough to at least report it.
mrep 7y ago
> So do what? Contact her local police? > With a written accusation from a child? Is that enough to get a warrant to force the company to release the demographic information? Absolutely! My girlfriend works as a counselor at a school and she is required by law to report all serious abuses by parents.
inimino 7y ago
> So do what? Contact her local police? Collect or photograph all the evidence, record every conversation with supervisors, escalate as much as possible internally, then contact local police, and at the same time go to the media. Don't quit, but if necessary let them fire you and then sue. None of this is easy.
- hanniabu 7y ago
  When escalating I'm sure it'll be effective to say it'll be an interesting story for the news and how the incident is being blocked by supervisors that encourage child abuse.
xkcd-sucks 7y ago
If she did Xerox the disclosures, walked out, and said "please call the cops" when challenged, at least it would be a matter of public record