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And the foregone conclusion in the article: "The dramatic uses of the sign of Renaissance masculinity par excellence – the beard – reveal how precarious, provi
by motohagiography 7y ago
And the foregone conclusion in the article:
"The dramatic uses of the sign of Renaissance masculinity par excellence – the beard – reveal how precarious, provisional and potentially groundless the ideology of early modern masculinity was, the very ideology upon which the sign-system of the stage relied. As we look at today’s hipsters – beards, man-buns and tattoos aplenty – we may also wonder what lies beneath the surface of the identities that they construct."
Appears the writer confuses criticism with competence. It's the conceit of modern academia. Yawn.
- mturmon 7y agoI don't see criticism [of bearded hipsters, I suppose you mean] in that last paragraph. But it was disappointing because it hints at something but says nothing.
- Dirlewanger 7y agoIt honestly comes off as thinly-veiled misandry (wouldn't be surprising as the author is a woman). Would this be appropriate to say about cultural things around celebrating a young girl being a full-grown woman?
- Aloha 7y agoThe byline does indeed indicate it was written by a woman, but I've seen similar misandristic critical writing from men too.
- NoGravitas 7y agoMisandry isn't real.
- Excel_Wizard 7y agoWhy?
- nameismypw 7y agoThe same reason reverse racism isn't real.
- ameister14 7y agoThat's not possible. Reverse racism isn't real because it's just 'racism' and there's no reverse about it. Misandry is specific.
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- nameismypw 7y agoAlright fascist.
- SkyBelow 7y agoSince Asians are the global majority, discrimination against them is impossible? I find it interesting that the power + prejudice view is selectively enforced only at certain scales of power. Global? No. National? Depends upon the nation. Local? No. It is almost like the application of the definition assumes the power structure in the average US college town was representative world wide.
- subjectsigma 7y agoOh boy https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/06/21/against-murderism/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/06/21/against-murderism/
- nameismypw 7y agoLol, fuck off. Scientific racism apology is still racism apology.
- subjectsigma 7y agoThis is not a scientific apology for racism, it's not even an apology. The reason I linked it is because it argues that if you think reverse racism doesn't exist, you're probably right, but only because you're using a definition of racism which is biased or functionally useless. I think this thread shows the argument extends to sexism. Does that mean misandry is a systemic issue on the scale of misogyny? Probably not. Does it exist and does it hurt people? Yes. Does denying that trivialize other people's experiences, exacerbate groupthink, and make you look like an ass? Yes.
- voldacar 7y agoWikipedia defines misandry as "the hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against men or boys". You don't think anyone has ever felt hateful, contemptuous, or prejudiced against men or boys?
- cycrutchfield 7y agoHow is an article about the role of beards in history “thinly-veiled misandry”? What’s with the MGTOW/redpill language?
- mirimir 7y agoWell, talking about "the ideology of early modern masculinity" as "precarious, provisional and potentially groundless" could be taken as misandry. But I suppose that one could say similar things about femininity and various aspects of female anatomy. I think that it's mostly about people altering their appearance to influence others.
- zaccus 7y agoI don't see any MGTOW/redpill language. Please don't evoke that nonsense here.
- foldingmoney 7y ago>What’s with the MGTOW/redpill language? I don't think it helps to jump to conclusions and start slinging labels. Doesn't advance the conversation. Like if someone expressed some innocuous belief held by republicans and was accused of being a white supremacist because some white supremacists are republicans. That's the death of civil discourse.
- C1sc0cat 7y agoSo what does that mean for that famous picture of the non bearded "Honeyed Cat" (a famous Condota / Mercenary then)
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- elipsey 7y agoI'm sure this is a misunderstanding. I believe the author means to remind us that fashion and gender norms are arbitrary and performed, not to say that the hipsters chose theirs' _wrong_. Societal standards of masculinity are of particular interest here because they capricious, mutable, and especially likely to result in ass-kickings. In conclusion the author encourages us to reflect on the difference between the person and the performance, and hold our assumptions lightly. You are not your beard.
- klipt 7y agoIt seems a little clinical and dehumanizing. I wonder how people would react to similar writing about women: "The dramatic uses of the sign of Renaissance femininity par excellence – the hairdo – reveal how precarious, provisional and potentially groundless the ideology of early modern femininity was, the very ideology upon which the sign-system of the stage relied. As we look at today’s hipsters – hairdos, cardigans and makeup aplenty – we may also wonder what lies beneath the surface of the identities that they construct."
- elipsey 7y agoThat sounds like an equally valid criticism to me, but if you're sense of prudence suggests that some people might not want to hear it from a dude, so does mine. It's understandable that people sometimes feel like their being attacked en masse by outsiders when we talk about this, but I think we're better off if we're able to talk about it civilly. Looking and dressing "right" is hard for some people. Approaching our expectations with a more removed perspective helps, but does tend to sound clinical. For what it's worth my gf complains about this kind of stuff in a way that sounds similar to me, but using somewhat less high-brow language. :) EDIT: I asked gf what she thought of that paragraph: "meh i don't give shit it's fine." Then I asked if she thought a man could get away with saying it: "probably not on the internet LOL". n=1.
- slothtrop 7y agoThey'd say it's "tone-deaf", to borrow the lexicon.
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