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Brazil's President Blames NGOs for Amazon Fires
- superduh 7y agoMiss my ex :'( ... my ex president Dilma! HEY BOLSONARO VTNC
- giacaglia 7y agoThe fires are in Bolivia, Paraguai and in the state of Amazonas and Rondonia in Brazil. Here is a picture of the emissions: https://twitter.com/m_parrington/status/1163834182860247040 https://twitter.com/m_parrington/status/1163834182860247040
- lwansbrough 7y agoI live in BC where it’s not uncommon for wildfires to consume a million hectares in one summer (as was the case in 2018 with a total of 1.3m hectares burned.) ...Typically we put out the fires first then assign the blame, seeing as it doesn’t really matter who’s fault it is once it’s started...
- rajbot 7y agoThese fires are being set intentionally by agribusiness. They don't want to put them out. - https://www.newsweek.com/pray-amazonia-brazil-jair-bolsonaro-forest-fires-lungs-planet-1455189 https://www.newsweek.com/pray-amazonia-brazil-jair-bolsonaro... - https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/22/americas/amazon-fires-humans-intl-hnk-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/22/americas/amazon-fires-humans-...
- mikeash 7y agoDon’t look for sense in the statements of a fascist. It’s pointless and will just drive you nuts.
- Ididntdothis 7y ago“Typically we put out the fires first then assign the blame, seeing as it doesn’t really matter who’s fault it is once it’s started” For a lot of people it’s more important to put blame than solving a problem.
- spraak 7y agoThe same president who recommended pooping every other day [1] in order to protect the environment. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-49304358 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-49304358
- giacaglia 7y agoThere is a good interactive map: https://www.windy.com/-CO-concentration-cosc?cosc,-12.555,-77.520,4 https://www.windy.com/-CO-concentration-cosc?cosc,-12.555,-7...
- marcosdumay 7y agoThanks a lot. It's very hard to understand what is happening from the media (Brazilian or international). This map explains: - why it's so concerning even if the fires are overall smaller than the Amazon average for this time - because most of Acre and Rondônia are on fire, the average is down pushed by the largest, less populated states. - what is up with the national and Acre's governments fighting on TV - most of the fire is there. - How can the smoke reach São Paulo even though there's none of it here at the middle of the way in Brasilia - it literally took a turn at Bolivia. The Bolivian and Peruvian people are probably not happy at all with the fires. I wonder why I don't see them complaining.
- ggg3 7y agomost credible meteorologists agree the smoke that reached sao paulo were from fires in Paraguay. but since social media is adamant that it was Amazon and that those meteorologists are hiding facts to cover the government, leds me to believe this is an international coordinated campaign to make Brazil look irresponsible taking care of Amazon "the lung of the world" and that the USA will soon offer to build more bases on the Brazilian northeast, like they did last time this was the international consensus. in the end, it's all about Brazil's and Venezuela's oil. and very little about the trees.
- FraKtus 7y agoWhoaaa. Scroll and look at China!!!
- joncrane 7y agoWhat is the huge red blot off the coast of NYC?
- coliveira 7y agoBolsonaro's government is a criminal regime. One of his first goals was to destroy the agencies that regulate the environment and disable the reporting mechanisms (which were "fake news" according to him). He personally fired the president of INPE, a state research agency, for publicizing a report about Amazon deforestation.
- bpanon 7y agoCriminal? As opposed to which other governments?
- malandrew 7y agoUpvoted. Bolsonaro's government is a criminal regime in the same way that every Brazilian government has been criminal. You basically need to commit crimes to get elected in Brazil and commit more once you're elected to stay in power.
- ggg3 7y agoagree. but comparing what dilma did after elected (leading BRIC, distancing from the corruption to the point of political suicide, and enacting the powers that led to lava jato, also to the point of political suicide) with bolsonaro, who is just a new collor, who will rob everything he can carry while making the country look like a joke internationaly... shows a gross lack of intelligence and basic comprehension of how can one even begin to change a corruption based status quo without violent revolution, which was lula's main banner.
- throwaway5752 7y agoIt is the crisis of our time. Bolsonaro is shameless, grossly lying. People are too afraid to say otherwise, and there is a critical mass of people who are willing to be party to the lying that creates social pressure against speaking to truth. Obviously not just limited to Brazil.
- pmf 7y agoI think he is trying to cut government down to size.
- fencepost 7y agoOf course he blames the NGOs. They've been fairly vocal against his policies for opening up further territory for agribusiness, so now he's blaming them saying that they have set fires in order to discredit him. The end result is almost certainly going to be multiple attempts to ban as many of those organizations as possible on the grounds that they are some sort of eco-terrorists destroying Brazil's rainforest. It won't make much sense but making sense is not the goal. Getting those organizations out of his hair is the goal. Watch what he does, not what he says.
- YeahSureWhyNot 7y agomessed up country with retarded government and really hot chicks
- emersonrsantos 7y agoAccording to this NASA report, this is a natural occurrence on this time of the year: > As of August 16, 2019, an analysis of NASA satellite data indicated that total fire activity across the Amazon basin this year has been close to the average in comparison to the past 15 years. Source: https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145464/fires-in-brazil https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145464/fires-in-bra...
- neuronexmachina 7y agoInterestingly, the URL used to have a different caption: https://web.archive.org/web/20190822024248/http://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/goddard/2019/wildfires-in-the-brazilian-rainforest-creating-cross-country-smoke https://web.archive.org/web/20190822024248/http://www.nasa.g... > Although it is not unusual to see fires in Brazil at this time of year due to high temperatures and low humidity it seems this year the number of fires may be record setting. According to Brazil’s space research center INPE almost 73,000 fires have been recorded so far this year. INPE is seeing an 83% increase over the same period in 2018.
- malandrew 7y ago> 73,000 fires have been recorded so far this year. INPE is seeing an 83% increase over the same period in 2018. Number of fires doesn't seem like a good measure. A simple change in how you distinguish between two fires in close proximity can dramatically change the numbers. Higher resolution measurements can allow you to distinguish between two fires that might have looked like one in years prior. A much better measure would be to look at the quantity of surface area on fire.
- emersonrsantos 7y agoExactly, INPE institute’s direction is having a political fight with the Brazilian government, which accuses INPE of manipulating the numbers. I think that’s why NASA removed that data.
- xwdv 7y agoI see this meme pop up on social media all the time now about how the Amazon rainforest is burning and to spread the “awareness”. But really, what are you supposed to do? Merely being aware of some tragedy occurring far away doesn’t do anything. The people who perpetuated it don’t give a damn. Are we supposed to go put out the fires? Are we supposed to go kill the people who did this? If there’s nothing I can do, then I’m better off not knowing. I have more relevant things to care about. The only thing this awareness campaign tells me is that Brazilians have done a terrible job of protecting their rainforest, and they should be judged accordingly in the future.
- Beltiras 7y agoOur awareness alone might reduce the harm being done. If this were front and center on all cablenews and connected to alarming news like the Greenland glacier melting faster than anticipated it might reduce the pace at which Bolsonaro and the forces aligned with him light these fires.
- xwdv 7y agoBolsonaro is a killer. The people who lit these fires are killers. Brazil is practically run by killers. I promise you they do not give a damn about what you, or the rest of the world thinks. The forest will burn to ashes, all the same.
- darpa_escapee 7y ago> Merely being aware of some tragedy occurring far away doesn’t do anything. The first step on the long road of change is acknowledging that a problem exists. Just because you can't imagine how you can effect change, doesn't mean it isn't possible. Problems of this scale require a sufficiently scaled solution. Economic sanctions and treaties would provide incentives for change. Hit Brazil's government and business leaders where it hurts: their wallets and their power on the world stage.
- xwdv 7y agoJust because change is possible, doesn’t mean my awareness has any part to play in it.
- mrnobody_67 7y agoI'm still baffled that I didn't hear about this until about 48 hours ago....
- aglavine 7y agoI wonder who decided to start spreading the news and this narrative...
- aglavine 7y agoIt is sad how Propaganda (repeated here in multiples comments) blames Bolsonaro, instead of finding out how the fires started and spread.
- throwaway5752 7y agoWell, could do your part by sourcing your allegation, instead of spreading FUD. It seems like believing it requires that groups dedicated to preserving the Amazon's rain forests are burning it, and ignores Bolsonaro's long and well-documented track record on the issue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jair_Bolsonaro#Environmental_protection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jair_Bolsonaro#Environmental_p...
- aglavine 7y agoI don't see any long and well documented recored there, just a few declarations and an affirmation that Brazil "preserves more [rainforest] than anyone." Blaming is bad for both Bolsonaro and the ones spreading the Propaganda. One thing is clear: no one spreading the news will care in a week how it started and what can be done for preventing this happen again.
- malandrew 7y agoCurrent situation map from INPE: http://queimadas.dgi.inpe.br/queimadas/portal/situacao-atual http://queimadas.dgi.inpe.br/queimadas/portal/situacao-atual The http://queimadas.dgi.inpe.br http://queimadas.dgi.inpe.br site also has links to a lot of raw data on wildfires in Brazil.
- jacknews 7y agowhere's Brazil's (or environmentalists worldwide) Lee Harvey Oswald when you need him?