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Goodness me it gets tiring seeing a post like this every time an article about iOS comes up. It's a legitimate point to make, but it should rather be that we t

Goodness me it gets tiring seeing a post like this every time an article about iOS comes up. It's a legitimate point to make, but it should rather be that we talk about the content of the article rather than bring out the 'Apple's taking our freedom away' soapbox. It inevitably turns into a debate between one side who values personal freedoms but won't be told to buy Android phones widespread safety, security, and privacy and tell the others to just buy Android phones. This goes around and around, usually getting nobody anywhere, and happens all over again the next time an article about iOS turns up on the front page.

throwaway156503 7y ago
So let me ask, why make this comment? Why reply like this? To shut people's concerns down? There's no value here. There's nothing to be gained. Conversely, sometimes it's OK just to let people complain: without the sentiment, how do you know if people still care?
- adamisom 7y ago
  It’s pretty obvious what the point is. It’s to complain about the soapbox / complaints in hopes of seeing less such comments in the future.
- 693471 7y ago
  It's off topic and people should start getting banned for it because it turns the comments into useless bikeshedding
pathseeker 7y ago
It's an article about enabling a jailbreak and you are mad that people talk about jailbreaking needing to be a thing?
kgwxd 7y ago
If a problem is presented, someone is going to bring up a solution. The right solution has been the same for a long time, Apple hasn't implemented it yet. Maybe they'll never implement it, but maybe someone will consider alternatives because of the comment.
dmos62 7y ago
Well there aren't any great alternatives. The state of general computing (as parent puts it) is frustrating, and people talk about it, sometimes by switching from a related topic. It's venting. Are there more productive ways of dealing with this? Maybe; but seemingly part of the frustration is that the average consumer feels powerless. Even your meta-post could be classed as a way to deal with this frustration. And, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss venting as a waste of energy: it raises awareness, and in the right setting it can lead to discussions of the cause, and what could be done about it.
- blantonl 7y ago
  but seemingly part of the frustration is that the average consumer feels powerless The average consumer could care less. They want to make phone calls, send text messages (over iMessage), surf Facebook, and take back to school pictures of their kids - and they just want it to work.
  - AnthonyMouse 7y ago
    We need something similar to Godwin's law where anyone who argues that people don't care about something automatically loses the argument. Of course people don't care more about iPhones than their own kids. Pick just about any X and people don't care more about X than their own kids. That doesn't mean X doesn't matter, or people wouldn't care more about it if the understood it better, or wouldn't be better off if it was different, or that we shouldn't try to do something about it.
    - UncleMeat 7y ago
      If we polled all smartphone owners and asked them how much they would pay to be able to own their phone in the way that Stallman owns his computer I'd bet a large amount of money that the median would be 0 cents and the average would be less than 1 cent. This isn't just a question of caring less. The huge majority of users do not care at all about this.
      - 7y ago
i_cant_speel 7y ago
Agreed. It gets very tiring. Every post related to Apple or Google devolves into the same exact conversations, regardless of the content of the article.
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forgottenpass 7y ago
> This goes around and around, usually getting nobody anywhere, and happens all over again the next time A security regression in a new software release is a much older type of story that just gets talked in circles too. >it should rather be that we talk about the content of the article iPhones are jailbreakable again. Whoop-de-doo. What are we supposed to say about it? Might as well talk about the system design that makes owners of devices getting root on them considered a flaw in the first place.

throwaway156503 7y ago

So let me ask, why make this comment? Why reply like this? To shut people's concerns down? There's no value here. There's nothing to be gained. Conversely, sometimes it's OK just to let people complain: without the sentiment, how do you know if people still care?

adamisom 7y ago
It’s pretty obvious what the point is. It’s to complain about the soapbox / complaints in hopes of seeing less such comments in the future.
693471 7y ago
It's off topic and people should start getting banned for it because it turns the comments into useless bikeshedding

pathseeker 7y ago

It's an article about enabling a jailbreak and you are mad that people talk about jailbreaking needing to be a thing?

kgwxd 7y ago

If a problem is presented, someone is going to bring up a solution. The right solution has been the same for a long time, Apple hasn't implemented it yet. Maybe they'll never implement it, but maybe someone will consider alternatives because of the comment.

dmos62 7y ago

Well there aren't any great alternatives. The state of general computing (as parent puts it) is frustrating, and people talk about it, sometimes by switching from a related topic. It's venting. Are there more productive ways of dealing with this? Maybe; but seemingly part of the frustration is that the average consumer feels powerless. Even your meta-post could be classed as a way to deal with this frustration. And, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss venting as a waste of energy: it raises awareness, and in the right setting it can lead to discussions of the cause, and what could be done about it.

blantonl 7y ago
but seemingly part of the frustration is that the average consumer feels powerless The average consumer could care less. They want to make phone calls, send text messages (over iMessage), surf Facebook, and take back to school pictures of their kids - and they just want it to work.
- AnthonyMouse 7y ago
  We need something similar to Godwin's law where anyone who argues that people don't care about something automatically loses the argument. Of course people don't care more about iPhones than their own kids. Pick just about any X and people don't care more about X than their own kids. That doesn't mean X doesn't matter, or people wouldn't care more about it if the understood it better, or wouldn't be better off if it was different, or that we shouldn't try to do something about it.
  - UncleMeat 7y ago
    If we polled all smartphone owners and asked them how much they would pay to be able to own their phone in the way that Stallman owns his computer I'd bet a large amount of money that the median would be 0 cents and the average would be less than 1 cent. This isn't just a question of caring less. The huge majority of users do not care at all about this.
    - 7y ago

i_cant_speel 7y ago

Agreed. It gets very tiring. Every post related to Apple or Google devolves into the same exact conversations, regardless of the content of the article.

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forgottenpass 7y ago

> This goes around and around, usually getting nobody anywhere, and happens all over again the next time A security regression in a new software release is a much older type of story that just gets talked in circles too. >it should rather be that we talk about the content of the article iPhones are jailbreakable again. Whoop-de-doo. What are we supposed to say about it? Might as well talk about the system design that makes owners of devices getting root on them considered a flaw in the first place.