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It probably does a lot more than that. It’s alway been rumored some US military tech could suddenly be turned “off” in the event of a war. I couldn’t imagine a

by wil421 7y ago

It probably does a lot more than that. It’s alway been rumored some US military tech could suddenly be turned “off” in the event of a war. I couldn’t imagine a situation that would put Norway and the US on opposite sides. Since the military allows Norway to get F-35s they probably agree.

ginko 7y ago
I have the feeling that if there were ever a war between major powers breaking out, the first thing that would happen is that a large chunk of military equipment and critical infrastructure on both sides would get bricked pretty much immediately.
- auslander 7y ago
  And its financial system cut off. Like US disconnected Iranian banks from SWIFT, and there is no way today to bypass US financial system for international payments.
harry8 7y ago
you wouldn't like to bet that the US are the only ones capable of turning it off, either.
- wil421 7y ago
  “Off” in quotes. I bet it’s more like a software license. “you missed your 60 day update from Lockheed, your jet will stop working”
  - p_l 7y ago
    They fail to be fully operational after 30 days without connection to Lockheed servers, which is a problem even for USA because the connection is bandwidth intensive.
- 14 7y ago
  Reading your comment I pictured Geohot attempting to jailbreak an f35. It made me wonder can you brick an f35?
  - wil421 7y ago
    I believe the F-22 software is written in Ada. I had a classmate in college who was in the air force. He said updating an F-22 took hours and if something happened you had to start over which happened often.
    - no-dr-onboard 7y ago
      I can confirm that. Interviewed at skunk works in Lancaster. They shared this exact knowledge.
  - dreamcompiler 7y ago
    F35s do a perfectly good job of bricking themselves. On a consistent and routine basis.
nraynaud 7y ago
starting with the GPS network.
- petronio 7y ago
  A prime reason why other constellations have been deployed or are currently being deployed, such as GLONASS (Russia), Galileo (EU), and BaiDu (China). India I believe also has their own, but it's not global, just regional.
  - vetinari 7y ago
    With different definition of deployed for each constellation; Galileo has been down for weeks recently.
    - patrickmcnamara 7y ago
      Galileo was down for one week. It's also not yet at full capacity. I think it's expected to be finished next year.
    - petschge 7y ago
      Galileo is still in deployment and a month ago they had an issue in the not-fully-redundent-yet ground segment that lead to 6 days with increasingly pure accuracy and partial outage.
yasp 7y ago
I've heard rumors of something similar about US anti aircraft systems, and this being a motivating factor in Turkey buying S-400s.
- kuzehanka 7y ago
  The S-400 is just objectively better than anything US is selling. The possibility of Patriot having a US killswitch is an afterthought if it was considered at all. It's also equally probable that the S-400 has a Russian killswitch. The actual motivation for Turkey to pick the S-400 was entirely political. They are signalling allegiance to Russia. The US is now cancelling Turkey's F-35 order in response.
- m00dy 7y ago
  Turkey also wanted to have a technology transfer while having patriots. So, Turkey can use it for its own missile defence system. Apparently, It didn't happen.
  - yyyk 7y ago
    Yet ironically, Turkey didn't get a technology transfer from the S-400 either. Once Putin got Erdogan committed, Putin knew he didn't have to offer much - Erdogan couldn't suffer a reversal.
    - m00dy 7y ago
      https://www.defenseworld.net/news/23561/Tech_Transfer__Local_Production_in_Turkey___s_S_400_Deal_With_Russia#.XQApMY8pDIU https://www.defenseworld.net/news/23561/Tech_Transfer__Local...
      - yyyk 7y ago
        Note that he doesn't have anything specific to point to - that's because he's merely trying to justify Erdogan. He must know that Turkey is going to get very few tech transfers: https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3409158 https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3409158
no-dr-onboard 7y ago
Command disablement is present on airframes dating as far back as the B-52. Nondestructive remote command disablement (what you’re referring to) is probably a real thing. It would fit the same schema that other weapons systems already have (nuclear weapons, drones, satellites).

by wil421 7y ago

ginko 7y ago

I have the feeling that if there were ever a war between major powers breaking out, the first thing that would happen is that a large chunk of military equipment and critical infrastructure on both sides would get bricked pretty much immediately.

auslander 7y ago
And its financial system cut off. Like US disconnected Iranian banks from SWIFT, and there is no way today to bypass US financial system for international payments.

harry8 7y ago

you wouldn't like to bet that the US are the only ones capable of turning it off, either.

wil421 7y ago
“Off” in quotes. I bet it’s more like a software license. “you missed your 60 day update from Lockheed, your jet will stop working”
- p_l 7y ago
  They fail to be fully operational after 30 days without connection to Lockheed servers, which is a problem even for USA because the connection is bandwidth intensive.
14 7y ago
Reading your comment I pictured Geohot attempting to jailbreak an f35. It made me wonder can you brick an f35?
- wil421 7y ago
  I believe the F-22 software is written in Ada. I had a classmate in college who was in the air force. He said updating an F-22 took hours and if something happened you had to start over which happened often.
  - no-dr-onboard 7y ago
    I can confirm that. Interviewed at skunk works in Lancaster. They shared this exact knowledge.
- dreamcompiler 7y ago
  F35s do a perfectly good job of bricking themselves. On a consistent and routine basis.

nraynaud 7y ago

starting with the GPS network.

petronio 7y ago
A prime reason why other constellations have been deployed or are currently being deployed, such as GLONASS (Russia), Galileo (EU), and BaiDu (China). India I believe also has their own, but it's not global, just regional.
- vetinari 7y ago
  With different definition of deployed for each constellation; Galileo has been down for weeks recently.
  - patrickmcnamara 7y ago
    Galileo was down for one week. It's also not yet at full capacity. I think it's expected to be finished next year.
  - petschge 7y ago
    Galileo is still in deployment and a month ago they had an issue in the not-fully-redundent-yet ground segment that lead to 6 days with increasingly pure accuracy and partial outage.

yasp 7y ago

I've heard rumors of something similar about US anti aircraft systems, and this being a motivating factor in Turkey buying S-400s.

kuzehanka 7y ago
The S-400 is just objectively better than anything US is selling. The possibility of Patriot having a US killswitch is an afterthought if it was considered at all. It's also equally probable that the S-400 has a Russian killswitch. The actual motivation for Turkey to pick the S-400 was entirely political. They are signalling allegiance to Russia. The US is now cancelling Turkey's F-35 order in response.
m00dy 7y ago
Turkey also wanted to have a technology transfer while having patriots. So, Turkey can use it for its own missile defence system. Apparently, It didn't happen.
- yyyk 7y ago
  Yet ironically, Turkey didn't get a technology transfer from the S-400 either. Once Putin got Erdogan committed, Putin knew he didn't have to offer much - Erdogan couldn't suffer a reversal.
  - m00dy 7y ago
    https://www.defenseworld.net/news/23561/Tech_Transfer__Local_Production_in_Turkey___s_S_400_Deal_With_Russia#.XQApMY8pDIU https://www.defenseworld.net/news/23561/Tech_Transfer__Local...
    - yyyk 7y ago
      Note that he doesn't have anything specific to point to - that's because he's merely trying to justify Erdogan. He must know that Turkey is going to get very few tech transfers: https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3409158 https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3409158

no-dr-onboard 7y ago

Command disablement is present on airframes dating as far back as the B-52. Nondestructive remote command disablement (what you’re referring to) is probably a real thing. It would fit the same schema that other weapons systems already have (nuclear weapons, drones, satellites).