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Yeah America has all the moral debates about genetics and experiments with embryos. But the bottom line is other countries are going to move forward no matter w
by rc_kas 7y ago
Yeah America has all the moral debates about genetics and experiments with embryos. But the bottom line is other countries are going to move forward no matter what America does.
- kldaace 7y ago>Assuming the Japanese don't have debates on bioethics. Nice.
- gridlockd 7y agoHe didn't assume that. Also, you're making the internet a worse place by accusing him of doing that. You should feel bad.
- nothrabannosir 7y ago“Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that.”
- thebooktocome 7y agoIt's a logical consequence of the statement that America has all the ethical debates on genetics.
- hombre_fatal 7y agoPretty sure they meant "all these debates." Doubt they think USA has the only debates in the world. As in, "you're having all these debates about how to defend your front door but you don't even have a lock on your back door."
- dang 7y agoPlease don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes this place worse still. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 7y agoDon't be snarky. Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- bcrosby95 7y agoWhile I disagree with the US's stance, ignoring your morals because other countries are doing something would be a race to the bottom.
- point78 7y agoWhat if those morals are evil? (Philosophical question I suppose)
- ilikehurdles 7y agoWhat if the other side's morals are evil? What even is evil? Is there an objective "evil"?
- sampo 7y ago> ignoring your morals If those morals say people should die instead of getting the organ transplants they need, maybe we are better off ignoring such morals.
- lonelappde 7y agowikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_human_experimentation
- thebeefytaco 7y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731#Activities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731#Activities
- Symmetry 7y agoI think most of us recognize a moral difference between murdering animals and murdering people. Especially those of us who eat meat.
- dmonitor 7y agoThe moral is that embryos deserve the same rights as people, so you’re really just killing one person to save another
- gridlockd 7y ago> ...other countries are going to move forward no matter what America does. While that's their prerogative, the US could still enact trade sanctions. On the other hand, DARPA is probably already working on the next generation of hybrid human/gorilla soldier. Related: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19926701-000-blasts-from-the-past-the-soviet-ape-man-scandal/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19926701-000-blasts-f...
- kube-system 7y agoAccording to the article, these experiments have already been done in the US before.
- SiempreViernes 7y agoNot these experiments, similar experiments.
- kube-system 7y agoPronoun ambiguity strikes again. Yes, that’s what I was referring to, human-animal embryonic experimentation.
- dekhn 7y agoThis isn't really a problem. America can just wait for somebody else to take the risk and show the benefit, and then popular opinion would change. And we have the back-bench to develop these technologies once somebody has shown it possible. note that many parts of the US enthusiastically adopted stem cell technology (https://www.cirm.ca.gov/about-cirm/history https://www.cirm.ca.gov/about-cirm/history) but unfortunately federal-level policies set by conservative leaders have ameliorated the ambitious plans of that project.
- brightball 7y agoNobody was concerned about using stem cell technology or stem cell research. The opposition was/is entirely to the death of embryos in order to obtain some stem cells for research. It's not as if it's some anti-science policy. It's simply a continuation of anti-abortion politics, which a lot of people feel very strongly about and invokes a ton of ethical questions. As long as there can be a perception that someone was killed in order to provide the stem cells to save someone else, that's not going to go away. Find ways to research stem cells without doing that and all of those concerns vanish.
- dekhn 7y agoThe program I'm describing was funded to work with stem cells derived from embryos. https://www.cirm.ca.gov/about-cirm/cirm-faq#embryos https://www.cirm.ca.gov/about-cirm/cirm-faq#embryos "All the embryos used in CIRM-funded research were donated from IVF clinics. They had either been rejected for implantation and were going to be destroyed, or the couple had decided to stop storing the embryos for future use. The embryos used to create embryonic stem cell lines were already destined to be destroyed."
- lonelappde 7y agoIt depends on what kind of anti-abortion one is. Catholics are anti IVF. Mysogynist patriarchists are pro-IVF.
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- thebeefytaco 7y agoNot necessarily - if enough countries have moral issues with experimentation on human embryos there could easily be substantial pushback through economic or physical means. Maybe they won't draw the line here, but there's definitely a line people have with human experimentation. You're also making the assumption that this is moving "forward" and that there won't be ramifications outside of external influence by other countries.
- diminoten 7y agoThe problem with this is that America has a lot of money and brainpower behind it, so it sitting on the sideline inevitably slows down progress.