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People often forget one of the reasons Comic Sans is so popular is because of these properties, and cyclically the reason it's so hated is because people can't

People often forget one of the reasons Comic Sans is so popular is because of these properties, and cyclically the reason it's so hated is because people can't help but see it everywhere.

stcredzero 7y ago
An Irish fiddler of some note once quipped, "What's the difference between a great tune and a hackneyed tune? About 20 years." (Tunes come back around. They get so worn out, and "institutionalized" people stop actually playing them for fun. Then, if they fade back into obscurity, another generation can "discover" them again.)
- atoav 7y ago
  The problem is that fonts (like tunes) can carry their own context with them. But people are very sensitive to music and very insensitive to fonts. E.g. it is more likely to get an funeral invitation in Comic Sans than to hear the musical equivalent of Comic Sans on a funeral (assuming both was selected by a relative). People are extremely careless in their use of fonts and don’t think about the additional context their font choice carries to anybody reading. A bit like people who write with capslock on and don’t even think about how this changes how their message is perceived on the other end. And Comic Sans is the cristalization of that phenomena, precisely because it is so recognizeable: nobody cares if you write all lowercase after all.
  - lloeki 7y ago
    A good example of that is resumes. A friend thought his resume was good but could not understand why he got turned down every time he applied for a job. I picked an appropriate font, aligned things a bit in the layout and made good use of a couple of white space. 5min job, minor tweaks, zero copy changes. Suddenly he got loads of positive replies to his applications. The target crowd was not one aware of typography nor design knowledge. The volume of applications was also entering the realm of statistically significant.
- DonHopkins 7y ago
  Almost 20 years ago, we shipped a game called The Sims that used Comic Sans all throughout, that sold pretty well in spite of the font. Although maybe it's one reason some people are sick and tired of Comic Sans. https://www.caseyconnect.com/hs-fs/hubfs/Imported_Blog_Media/sims-comic-sans-300x170.jpg https://www.caseyconnect.com/hs-fs/hubfs/Imported_Blog_Media... When to use Comic Sans: https://www.caseyconnect.com/blog/2013/typography/comic-sans-love-it-or-hate-it https://www.caseyconnect.com/blog/2013/typography/comic-sans... >The Sims Comic Sans in-game text >Because of it's lighthearted nature, Comic Sans might be appropriate for design situations where humor or lack of seriousness is appropriate. One example of this is the simulation game The Sims, where Comic Sans was used for all in-game text. Materials appropriate for children might also benefit from the use of Comic Sans. In case you can't stand to read Comic Sans with your own eyes, I also made an external screen scraping utility called Simplifier that reads Comic Sans text off the screen, and catalogs and recites the product descriptions with a speech synthesizer. Demo of The Sims Transmogrifier, RugOMatic, ShowNTell, Simplifier and Slice City: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imu1v3GecB8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imu1v3GecB8 I recently dug up an early internal pre-release demo of it for "The Sims Steering Committee" from June 4 1998, that convinced EA not to cancel our project. It shows a very early version of the user interface, that was already using Comic Sans. (So did the Quick Start Guide.) The Sims Steering Committee - June 4 1998: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC52jE60KjY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC52jE60KjY (Notice last word of the second paragraph of the Level 4 scenario description at 1:00! ;) Maybe the fact that it was written in Comic Sans enabled that little boo-boo to fly under the radar.)
  - rafaelvasco 7y ago
    Absolutely. And it was the perfect font choice for The Sims. I really like Comic Sans when it's used in the right context.
    - DonHopkins 7y ago
      The other perfect application of Comic Sans was (wait for it....) Microsoft Comic Chat! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Comic_Chat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Comic_Chat >Microsoft Comic Chat installed a custom font, Comic Sans MS, that users could use in other applications and documents. In 1996 it was bundled with several other fonts in Microsoft's Core Fonts for the Web project and subsequent versions of Microsoft Windows, leading to its notoriety among the internet. https://chrisgliddon.com/a-trip-down-memory-lane-microsoft-comic-chat-6f23b8a64295 https://chrisgliddon.com/a-trip-down-memory-lane-microsoft-c... >While Microsoft’s Comic Sans was first introduced in 1995 as part of a Windows 95 Plus Pack, the font was more likely cemented into many people’s minds for one or two reasons: 1) well-meaning, yet not-necessarily-design-savvy educators, and 2) being selected as the default font in a new internet chat application called Microsoft Comic Chat.
- bitwize 7y ago
  > An Irish fiddler of some note once quipped, "What's the difference between a great tune and a hackneyed tune? About 20 years." TVTropes calls this phenomenon "Seinfeld Isn't Funny".
atoav 7y ago
I think the Problem isn’t that it is everywhere, but it is a Font with a lot of character and people use it in all the inapropriate cases. If you print a warning sign, the choice of Comic Sans (or Papyrus etc.) is incompatible with the message you wanna express. If you use Comic Sans for a childrens birthday invitation or well – a Comic – then your choice of font fits the message you are communicating. Most Fonts that aren’t simple serif or sans-serif fonts add an additional message to the message you are conveying. Something neutral like an Helvetica/Arial/Calibri will not be perceived as conveying any additional context. So fancy fonts essentially get into the way of your message if you don’t know what you are doing and this is the way Comic Sans got it’s reputation. Additionally Comic Sans isn’t even that good of a Comic font to be honest..
- jonshariat 7y ago
  This is the main reason people dislike the typeface. Its in the misuse not the design.
- xvector 7y ago
  I can't be the only one who use Comic Sans ironically, in situations where it's as far from appropriate as could be...
  - floatboth 7y ago
    OpenBSD presentation slides are done in Comic Sans… but it's hard to say if it's far from appropriate there, or actually 100% appropriate.
    - somacert 7y ago
      My interpretation of the openbsd slides are that it acts as a sort of turing test. If you are the sort that is excessively bothered by our use of the comic-sans typeface. Then perhaps you are not a good fit for our project. More and more, I see the the continued use of cvs as sort of the same thing. It works and it weeds out people who care more about how something is done then what is done.
bogwog 7y ago
> one of the reasons Comic Sans is so popular is because of these properties I doubt most people who use it do so because they know it will make it easier for people with dyslexia to read. My mother uses it all the time because she thinks its cute.
kazinator 7y ago
Almost every use of the font is misuse. In all the supposedly correct uses for Comic Sans, the correct thing is to actually write by hand to create the true personal touch. People hate the faked personal touch of a canned font that imitates writing which looks the same everywhere, letter for letter, no matter who produces the writing. There is a middle ground: you can turn your own handwriting into a font.
- mjcohen 7y ago
  Yeah. Write by hand, send by snail mail, takes a week for a reply. No thanks. If my writing were turned into a font, it would be called Illegibilissimus. Keyboard for me whenever possible. I even do my math with a keyboard using Macdown and Moeditor in real time. Don't even write by hand then.
- krilly 7y ago
  I agree with your point about the fake personal touch, but I think this effect is because comic sans is so ubiquitous. A great alternative handwritten font is Architect's Daughter, which is free for personal use
karmakaze 7y ago
I can't wait to try them it out on a tech talk later this month.

People often forget one of the reasons Comic Sans is so popular is because of these properties, and cyclically the reason it's so hated is because people can't help but see it everywhere.

stcredzero 7y ago

An Irish fiddler of some note once quipped, "What's the difference between a great tune and a hackneyed tune? About 20 years." (Tunes come back around. They get so worn out, and "institutionalized" people stop actually playing them for fun. Then, if they fade back into obscurity, another generation can "discover" them again.)

atoav 7y ago
The problem is that fonts (like tunes) can carry their own context with them. But people are very sensitive to music and very insensitive to fonts. E.g. it is more likely to get an funeral invitation in Comic Sans than to hear the musical equivalent of Comic Sans on a funeral (assuming both was selected by a relative). People are extremely careless in their use of fonts and don’t think about the additional context their font choice carries to anybody reading. A bit like people who write with capslock on and don’t even think about how this changes how their message is perceived on the other end. And Comic Sans is the cristalization of that phenomena, precisely because it is so recognizeable: nobody cares if you write all lowercase after all.
- lloeki 7y ago
  A good example of that is resumes. A friend thought his resume was good but could not understand why he got turned down every time he applied for a job. I picked an appropriate font, aligned things a bit in the layout and made good use of a couple of white space. 5min job, minor tweaks, zero copy changes. Suddenly he got loads of positive replies to his applications. The target crowd was not one aware of typography nor design knowledge. The volume of applications was also entering the realm of statistically significant.
DonHopkins 7y ago
Almost 20 years ago, we shipped a game called The Sims that used Comic Sans all throughout, that sold pretty well in spite of the font. Although maybe it's one reason some people are sick and tired of Comic Sans. https://www.caseyconnect.com/hs-fs/hubfs/Imported_Blog_Media/sims-comic-sans-300x170.jpg https://www.caseyconnect.com/hs-fs/hubfs/Imported_Blog_Media... When to use Comic Sans: https://www.caseyconnect.com/blog/2013/typography/comic-sans-love-it-or-hate-it https://www.caseyconnect.com/blog/2013/typography/comic-sans... >The Sims Comic Sans in-game text >Because of it's lighthearted nature, Comic Sans might be appropriate for design situations where humor or lack of seriousness is appropriate. One example of this is the simulation game The Sims, where Comic Sans was used for all in-game text. Materials appropriate for children might also benefit from the use of Comic Sans. In case you can't stand to read Comic Sans with your own eyes, I also made an external screen scraping utility called Simplifier that reads Comic Sans text off the screen, and catalogs and recites the product descriptions with a speech synthesizer. Demo of The Sims Transmogrifier, RugOMatic, ShowNTell, Simplifier and Slice City: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imu1v3GecB8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imu1v3GecB8 I recently dug up an early internal pre-release demo of it for "The Sims Steering Committee" from June 4 1998, that convinced EA not to cancel our project. It shows a very early version of the user interface, that was already using Comic Sans. (So did the Quick Start Guide.) The Sims Steering Committee - June 4 1998: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC52jE60KjY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC52jE60KjY (Notice last word of the second paragraph of the Level 4 scenario description at 1:00! ;) Maybe the fact that it was written in Comic Sans enabled that little boo-boo to fly under the radar.)
- rafaelvasco 7y ago
  Absolutely. And it was the perfect font choice for The Sims. I really like Comic Sans when it's used in the right context.
  - DonHopkins 7y ago
    The other perfect application of Comic Sans was (wait for it....) Microsoft Comic Chat! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Comic_Chat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Comic_Chat >Microsoft Comic Chat installed a custom font, Comic Sans MS, that users could use in other applications and documents. In 1996 it was bundled with several other fonts in Microsoft's Core Fonts for the Web project and subsequent versions of Microsoft Windows, leading to its notoriety among the internet. https://chrisgliddon.com/a-trip-down-memory-lane-microsoft-comic-chat-6f23b8a64295 https://chrisgliddon.com/a-trip-down-memory-lane-microsoft-c... >While Microsoft’s Comic Sans was first introduced in 1995 as part of a Windows 95 Plus Pack, the font was more likely cemented into many people’s minds for one or two reasons: 1) well-meaning, yet not-necessarily-design-savvy educators, and 2) being selected as the default font in a new internet chat application called Microsoft Comic Chat.
bitwize 7y ago
> An Irish fiddler of some note once quipped, "What's the difference between a great tune and a hackneyed tune? About 20 years." TVTropes calls this phenomenon "Seinfeld Isn't Funny".

atoav 7y ago

I think the Problem isn’t that it is everywhere, but it is a Font with a lot of character and people use it in all the inapropriate cases. If you print a warning sign, the choice of Comic Sans (or Papyrus etc.) is incompatible with the message you wanna express. If you use Comic Sans for a childrens birthday invitation or well – a Comic – then your choice of font fits the message you are communicating. Most Fonts that aren’t simple serif or sans-serif fonts add an additional message to the message you are conveying. Something neutral like an Helvetica/Arial/Calibri will not be perceived as conveying any additional context. So fancy fonts essentially get into the way of your message if you don’t know what you are doing and this is the way Comic Sans got it’s reputation. Additionally Comic Sans isn’t even that good of a Comic font to be honest..

jonshariat 7y ago
This is the main reason people dislike the typeface. Its in the misuse not the design.
xvector 7y ago
I can't be the only one who use Comic Sans ironically, in situations where it's as far from appropriate as could be...
- floatboth 7y ago
  OpenBSD presentation slides are done in Comic Sans… but it's hard to say if it's far from appropriate there, or actually 100% appropriate.
  - somacert 7y ago
    My interpretation of the openbsd slides are that it acts as a sort of turing test. If you are the sort that is excessively bothered by our use of the comic-sans typeface. Then perhaps you are not a good fit for our project. More and more, I see the the continued use of cvs as sort of the same thing. It works and it weeds out people who care more about how something is done then what is done.

bogwog 7y ago

> one of the reasons Comic Sans is so popular is because of these properties I doubt most people who use it do so because they know it will make it easier for people with dyslexia to read. My mother uses it all the time because she thinks its cute.

kazinator 7y ago

Almost every use of the font is misuse. In all the supposedly correct uses for Comic Sans, the correct thing is to actually write by hand to create the true personal touch. People hate the faked personal touch of a canned font that imitates writing which looks the same everywhere, letter for letter, no matter who produces the writing. There is a middle ground: you can turn your own handwriting into a font.

mjcohen 7y ago
Yeah. Write by hand, send by snail mail, takes a week for a reply. No thanks. If my writing were turned into a font, it would be called Illegibilissimus. Keyboard for me whenever possible. I even do my math with a keyboard using Macdown and Moeditor in real time. Don't even write by hand then.
krilly 7y ago
I agree with your point about the fake personal touch, but I think this effect is because comic sans is so ubiquitous. A great alternative handwritten font is Architect's Daughter, which is free for personal use

karmakaze 7y ago

I can't wait to try them it out on a tech talk later this month.