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Ask HN: Recommendations for AI generated music software?

• deg4uss3r 7y ago
  There's musenet[0], but it seems like there's only an API to the web generator[1] that might work for what you need? [0]: https://openai.com/blog/musenet/ https://openai.com/blog/musenet/ [1]: https://github.com/bmckalla/musenet-api https://github.com/bmckalla/musenet-api
• baalimago 7y ago
  >for these simple requirements What gives you the idea that these requirements are simple for an AI to live up to? I'm only a novice in AI, but the product you're asking for seems very complex.
  • grp000 7y ago
    OP wants to make ambient music, much simpler than generating music with lyrics.
  • andrewstuart 7y ago
    It is pretty simple: The app lets me make music clips of a certain time duration, save them and use them on videos royalty/license free. The app gives me some control over pace/style of music. I pay either a once off or monthly fee to use it.
    • iamsaitam 7y ago
      Simple to describe, not accomplish. Think about the sheer amount of genres/sub-genres, what you're describing can probably be done in a few popular genres by some ML algorithm.. But are the results good enough?
• ponyous 7y ago
  Uf damn, just seen that one of the companies thatdid this https://www.jukedeck.com/ https://www.jukedeck.com/ is not doing it any more. They had everything for free, and the music seemed perfect for background music for videos, etc... You could configure parameters, including the time and get an interesting track out.
  • coziestSoup 7y ago
    Yup, Jukedeck solved exactly this. Looks like they got bought by ByteDance very recently (https://musically.com/2019/07/23/ai-music-startup-jukedecks-ceo-now-runs-the-ai-lab-of-tiktok-owner-bytedance/ https://musically.com/2019/07/23/ai-music-startup-jukedecks-...)!
• kleer001 7y ago
  What you want is a plain old music generator app. Search for "generative music". Drop the Ai, it's overkill. Also with the amazing tech these days anyone can be a musician. It's basically push-botton. Bloom on the iOs app store. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/bloom/id292792586 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/bloom/id292792586 Someone's cloned Bloom: https://github.com/generative-music/blossom https://github.com/generative-music/blossom Wotja too maybe. Here's their FAQ about rights: https://intermorphic.com/wotja/faq/#faq-recording-ownership https://intermorphic.com/wotja/faq/#faq-recording-ownership Wired can point you in more directions: https://www.wired.com/story/generative-music-apps/ https://www.wired.com/story/generative-music-apps/
  • mushufasa 7y ago
    I just want to highlight that Bloom was specifically created by Eno, whom you mentioned. He considers the generation his art. But the github repo 'clone' is under MIT so just use that.
  • 0815test 7y ago
    > Drop the Ai, it's overkill. Well, if you do want to use AI, this project is totally open source, "real" AI and pretty damned easy to use,[0] and generates something that's pretty darn close to SOTA as far as actual "musical" interest goes! Unfortunately, it seems to need Python 2. It would be really nice if someone forked the project (it's pretty researchy/proof-of-concept right now!) and committed to maintaining it for the foreseeable future, to run on whatever supplants Python 2 as the "standard" platform for Theano, when that version of Python goes EOL. [0] https://github.com/hexahedria/biaxial-rnn-music-composition https://github.com/hexahedria/biaxial-rnn-music-composition
    • kleer001 7y ago
      While really really cool I don't think this is polished and directable enough for OPs needs.
  • richrichardsson 7y ago
    > Also with the amazing tech these days anyone can be a musician. It's basically push-botton. And this is why it's getting harder and harder to find decent electronic music that doesn't sound like a chimp threw its shit at a wall; because some wanna-be with no musical skill can download a few loops, layer them up in their cracked FL Studio (or whatever) and over-compress the shit out of it for their "mastering". imo electronic music was much better when there was a barrier to entry in so much as you needed about $5k worth of equipment before you could produce something semi-decent.
• p1esk 7y ago
  http://aiva.ai http://aiva.ai is exactly what you’re looking for.
• luckman212 7y ago
  Not sure if this helps at all, but here's one that was featured here on HN not too long ago: https://generative.fm/ https://generative.fm/
  • alexbainter 7y ago
    Thanks for sharing this, I'm the author of Generative.fm and the music systems on it. Just wanted to pop in to tell OP that there's a recording feature built in to the site, and everyone is free to use the recordings for whatever they'd like - I just ask that you give attribution (it's licensed under CC-BY 4.0). Though, there's no configuration and I don't use AI, if that matters. EDIT: I forgot to mention it's free, and all the music is ambient.
    • qpiox 7y ago
      The web-site shows an empty page at this moment.
      • alexbainter 7y ago
        Would you mind telling me which browser you tried with?
        • qpiox 7y ago
          It is due to certain settings in the browser profile that I use for everyday surfing. Without giving too much information, let's just say that although some things are blocked, popular music and video streaming web-sites still work, so I guess this one should also work. It works in a clean profile with default settings in the same browser. There are some errors like this: Loading failed for the <script> with source “https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js” https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js”. generative.fm:1:1 Loading failed for the <script> with source “https://www.googletagmanager.com/gtag/js?id=UA-134692042-1” https://www.googletagmanager.com/gtag/js?id=UA-134692042-1”. generative.fm:9:1 TypeError: this.context.createConstantSource is not a functionmain.7acf3eaa3b54511db064.js:7:5340
• _emacsomancer_ 7y ago
  David Cope's Common Lisp one? http://artsites.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/cmmc.html http://artsites.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/cmmc.html
• mcqueenjordan 7y ago
  Shameless self-plug, I maintain a Spotify playlist that is optimized for getting me into "Flow." I use it for coding/thinking. It has 677 tracks so far. See here: https://whoami.sh/thought/flow-playlist https://whoami.sh/thought/flow-playlist https://brain.fm/ https://brain.fm/ also has some good stuff. Some of it is tailored for focusing and works pretty well as coding music. I believe their stuff is AI-generated.
  • Deimorz 7y ago
    That looks like a nice playlist (I know lots of the artists and will have to check out some of the others), but it's completely unrelated to someone asking for a way to generate copyright-free music to use in their own videos.
  • slig 7y ago
    Hi, thank you for compiling and maintaining the playlist. It's been weeks since I first discovered it and it has replaced brain.fm for me.
  • nestorherre 7y ago
    Used your playlist for some minutes and it definitely helped me being more focused, thank you.
  • amatecha 7y ago
    Dude, even though it was a bit off topic, I have been listening to this playlist for around an hour and I'm pretty stoked on it! Thanks! Funny, I already had quite a few of these songs in a playlist of my own :) Great stuff.
• andrewstuart 7y ago
  I found an app called Mubert which seems close to what I want, but as with all of these generative/AI music things, they seem to carefully avoid giving straight information about price and the licence for using the music on videos. Startups: please make something that I can pay money for that lets me make music clips and use them on videos, that I can buy at a clear price without sending an enquiry email.
• futhey 7y ago
  Not what you're asking for, but I think you should take a look at band-in-a-box (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band-in-a-Box https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band-in-a-Box). When I studied music this was very interesting to me. A lot of music composition is fill-in-the-blanks / formulaic, and this generates melodies and countermelodies / accompaniment following a common (user selected) chord progression, that sounds correct and would probably pass as an assignment from an undergraduate music composition student. There's no AI as far as I know, but if there was a Turing test for music, this would pass. Coupled with a bit of arrangement and an original melody it can be quite nice.
• gekkostate 7y ago
  One option is Wolfram Tones (tones.wolfram.com/generate). It uses cellular automatons (so not quite AI but achieves your goal) to generate music. - You can change the type of music (Jazz, Classic etc.), select instruments and so on - You can download the music as well The only downside is that you can only get a maximum of 30 seconds. What you can do however, is go to their free programming lab and write some code to generate any length that you might want.
• fhars 7y ago
  There is Ludwig by ChessBase, which fits the AI requirement. You will have to find a way to come up with the primary melodies, though: http://www.write-music.com/ http://www.write-music.com/
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• mitchellshow 7y ago
  https://boomy.com https://boomy.com - try the “ambient” filter in beats, or anything in meditation / relaxation style
  • andrewstuart 7y ago
    As with most of the options suggested in this thread, no pricing and no explicit definition of whether it can be used on videos and no clear definition that I can save output of a specific length. I get the impression that most of the music software companies are run by people who are very musically/engineering oriented, but not very connected to the business side of things. I shouldn't have to send an email to a company saying "how do I buy this?" Without any obvious product or service for sale, it's not discernible from a hobby project.
    • mitchellshow 7y ago
      https://boomy.com/about https://boomy.com/about can change length via editor
    • shakna 7y ago
      Boomy's EULA [0] is a fairly easy read that covers the business side of things. > In consideration of free use of Boomy, any arrangement, sound recording, composition, and/or musical work accessed through the use of the Boomy platform, shall be the property of Boomy Corporation as a work-made-for-hire. > The user may not edit, remix, or create derivative works of the song outside of the Boomy application without purchasing ownership. > The user may not distribute the song to streaming services without purchasing ownership. > The user is permitted to purchase the ownership from Boomy for a fee outlined in the Library section of the Boomy app. [0] https://boomy.com/eula https://boomy.com/eula
• singlequbit 7y ago
  Maybe Mubert is what you are looking for? https://mubert.com/ https://mubert.com/ It has a lot of channels including ambient music.
• dimmuborgir 7y ago
  I was going to type Jukedeck. Thought I'd visit the site first. Offline. Apparently TikTok has bought it!
• jonathanstrange 7y ago
  To add to this list, I haven't used it but I've recently listened to a few demos of the commercial orb composer [1]. I personally think that the melodies and hooks of these music generators usually sound a bit lame, but orchestration and accompaniment somehow make up for it. https://www.orb-composer.com/ https://www.orb-composer.com/
• GeraniumFusion 7y ago
  Not a generator, but maybe inspiring nonetheless: https://daily.bandcamp.com/2018/01/25/music-ai-coding-algorithms/ https://daily.bandcamp.com/2018/01/25/music-ai-coding-algori...
• blueboo 7y ago
  Royalty-free soundtrack music is incredibly cheap. It would be faster, better, and cheaper to buy what you want.
  • p1esk 7y ago
    How cheap?
• jeremyleach 7y ago
  You can try my webapp, https://www.muzoti.com https://www.muzoti.com
• mikekchar 7y ago
  Slightly orthogonal to your request, but I'm not quite sure what you get by choosing machine generated music over human generated music WRT copyright. The machine generated music will be considered a derived work under copyright, so you're going to need a license for it anyway. You could just obtain music from a human and get a license as well.
  • rjmunro 7y ago
    I don't think this is true. The output of a program is not considered as a derivative work of that program. E.g. Is a photo taken by a digital camera considered a derived work from the camera firmware?
    • mikekchar 7y ago
      That's a different situation. The digital camera is not creating the work. It's analagous to a compiler generating code. It used to be the fashion of compiler vendors to not give you a free license to the derived work that the compiler generates. GCC even has a separate clause in its license to allow the output not to be GPL. See this license: https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/manual/license.html https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/manual/license.html
• Man_On_the_Moon 7y ago
  I run a company that tries to solve your problem! We haven’t done a big public launch yet - but we use AI techniques to compose work for existing clients (think businesses + Youtube video creators). We try to take all friction out of the process. Here’s how it works: You send link to your video. Tell us what emotions you want / any requirements (we have a simple form). Our AI engine then structures and creates a song exclusively for you (no royalties / copyright). We then have our in-house composers make final adjustments and sync it perfectly w/ your video. We price a lot less than normal composition studios due to the AI piece. Trying to talk to as many customers as possible. If I could ask you a few questions or if you want to be a beta customer please email me at: leagueduels@gmail.com I’d greatly appreciate it!
  • Man_On_the_Moon 7y ago
    FYI: Our typical rate is $200 for original soundtrack for up to 3 minute video + $25 for each additional minute. Includes the composition and syncing to the video with intros / fade-outs, etc. Comes with exclusive life-time license to the track. We currently have clients paying at many different price points, so still trying to figure out the right one.
  • p1esk 7y ago
    What if a client does not like the result?
    • Man_On_the_Moon 7y ago
      We deliver a demo first. Clients can then request any changes before we lock it in as final. Clients can also send links to music they like and we try to achieve a similar sound. It's a good point though - we work on a small scale now. We haven't thought through all the details once we start taking new clients. One free revision seems like our most likely approach.
      • p1esk 7y ago
        If you have to employ composers, why do you need AI? I’m guessing you can hire 3 composers for the salary of a single ML engineer.
• withakay 7y ago
  If you use Ableton Live you should check out Magenta Studio https://magenta.tensorflow.org/studio/ableton-live/ https://magenta.tensorflow.org/studio/ableton-live/
  • stallmanite 7y ago
    Holy crap I’ve been wanting to make something just like this. Awesome to see that it exists.
• qpiox 7y ago
  In order to use an AI generator, it has to be fed with music that is in the style you like so that a model is created and trained. The question of copyright and plagiarism in such a case is not really clearly defined. The patterns it will generate will not be same as existing ones, but can sound or seem similar. As if the "AI composer" was influenced by the original song composers. Has anyone any comments regarding such issues?
• m3at 7y ago
  Not "AI" generated, but generated nonetheless, this HN thread from a few months back should be pretty helpful : "Generative.fm – Endlessly unique ambient music" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19397817 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19397817 Be careful: this thread is great, I spent a full evening digging into the various links people posted. You've been warned.
• Somniloquist 7y ago
  Check out Amper: https://www.ampermusic.com/ https://www.ampermusic.com/ My good friend created the tech. They use a lot of custom acoustic instrument samples and some sound synthesis driven by Haskell and SuperCollider. No neural nets or machine learning involved (which is what most people seem to mean by "AI" these days), it's mostly rules based, with a large and byzantine rule set which has been cultivated, so some may call it Algorithmic or Generative music.
  • edraferi 7y ago
    Looks cool, but has a contact form instead of a price sheet.
  • andrewstuart 7y ago
    So close, it says on the front page that it can be used on videos! Amazingly, the first link is one so you can listen to the output!! There's a product link! ..... which leads to nothing about a product. And there's no pricing information at all. It looked really promising but I had to conclude there's nothing there to buy.
    • drewsilverstein 7y ago
      You can try Amper for free here: https://www.ampermusic.com/lp/royalty-free-ai-music-1/ https://www.ampermusic.com/lp/royalty-free-ai-music-1/
• el_cujo 7y ago
  Not quite "AI generated", but Dunc's Algomusic[0] is free. I don't think you have THAT much control over how it sounds beyond picking different seed inputs. I find it especially great for weird/unsettling background music. Not sure if there is a built in way to export tracks but there is probably some way to use another app to record it. [0] https://marasmusine.itch.io/duncs-algomusic https://marasmusine.itch.io/duncs-algomusic
• nairobi222 7y ago
  Simple to describe, not accomplish. Think about the sheer amount of genres/sub-genres, what you're describing can probably be done in a few popular genres by some ML algorithm.. But are the results good enough?
• cafogleman 7y ago
  Its implementation may be a bit academic for what you're looking for, but Watson Beat (https://github.com/cognitive-catalyst/watson-beat https://github.com/cognitive-catalyst/watson-beat) can generate music given a seed melody a number of configurable parameters. All output is in MIDI files, and by default need to be glued together manually (though I suspect this could be automated). I've also wondered how interesting this could get if it could be configured to dynamically feed the generated melodies back in as the seed, effectively evolving the music over time while remaining somewhat familiar from one adaptation to the next.
• deleted 7y ago
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• po_ 7y ago
  > I want to create AI generated to use as soundtracks on videos - so there must be no question about royalties or copyright > I want to be able to specify how long the music should go for. > I want to be able to save the music. Product question @andrewstuart - is it important to you that the changes in video scenes line up with the beat of the music?
  • andrewstuart 7y ago
    >> is it important to you that the changes in video scenes line up with the beat of the music? Well yes in an ideal world it would be great to feed in a video and have appropriate music created to match scenes etc but I can't imagine how that would work without fiddling on my part, and it's hard to imagine it being cheap. I want to do this cheap.
• nyxtom 7y ago
  It's worth considering the complexity of this problem and how notable and popular services have approached this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Genome_Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Genome_Project
• TrinaryWorksToo 7y ago
  Code parade made a pretty good music generator that is to your specifications https://youtu.be/l-ZZ8dkJVOI https://youtu.be/l-ZZ8dkJVOI And yes, it is true AI.
  • p1esk 7y ago
    The quality of music in their YouTube videos is pretty awful. Do they have better samples suitable as video soundtracks?
    • TrinaryWorksToo 7y ago
      You should be able to download the software and generate it yourself!
      • p1esk 7y ago
        I prefer listening to some samples before I install anything. Have you generated anything good with their software?
        • TrinaryWorksToo 7y ago
          Good chiptune video game music. You can learn more about the process here: https://youtu.be/UWxfnNXlVy8 https://youtu.be/UWxfnNXlVy8
          • p1esk 7y ago
            Yep, that's the video I watched before I said the quality of music is awful. Anyway, I'm not sure how is "chiptune video game music" relevant to what OP is asking for.
            • TrinaryWorksToo 7y ago
              They asked for a program that generates music with AI, which this is.
• ptownori 7y ago
  The red herring here is AI. I believe most everything you’re trying to accomplish can be done using a popular and longstanding application called Band in a Box, from a company called PG Music.
• fletchowns 7y ago
  Is there anything that can generate music for in the style of a particular musician? It would be cool to generate a clip that sounds like a particular artist or band that convincingly sounds like them jamming / working on a new song, but it's actually some made up AI generated song.
• stagas 7y ago
  This[0] is not a music generator, but a very handy tool for music makers. It extracts vocals and/or produces a karaoke version of a song. It claims it is using AI and I suppose it does so because the results are astonishingly good. It's not just the removal of the "center" channel which most vocal removers are doing. It literally pulls the vocal track out of the mix like magic. [0]: https://phonicmind.com/ https://phonicmind.com/
• drewsilverstein 7y ago
  Hello from Amper! You can do exactly this with Amper, and you can try it for free: https://www.ampermusic.com/lp/royalty-free-ai-music-1/ https://www.ampermusic.com/lp/royalty-free-ai-music-1/
• 8bitsrule 7y ago
  Perhaps this product by Teenage Engineering would wet your whistle. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/magazine/electronic-music-synthesizers.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/magazine/electronic-music...
• peterhookgen 7y ago
  Hi! I am currently working on the AI-generated music problem Every output on the site is unique and public domain, feel free to ask me about any questions Link: https://hookgen.com/ https://hookgen.com/
• jiberwarrior 7y ago
  A bit late to the party, but I wrote a generator for a project last year running on vanilla JS with a simple HTML front end. There is no recording feature, but I'm sure you could just record the playback externally. https://github.com/gee842/genmusic https://github.com/gee842/genmusic hosted here: http://genmusic.byethost11.com/genmusic/ http://genmusic.byethost11.com/genmusic/
  • jiberwarrior 7y ago
    at the suggestion of another user, I changed hosts to github pages, rather than a shady web-host. https://gee842.github.io/genmusic/dev/index2.html https://gee842.github.io/genmusic/dev/index2.html
• noja 7y ago
  http://tones.wolfram.com/generate/ http://tones.wolfram.com/generate/
• Turambar4563 7y ago
  Hi HN. There is cool app that lets you do just that, it's called Lonofi. They are currently in open Beta test and you can check them out here on https://home.lonofi.com https://home.lonofi.com It works sligtly differently than the other AI music website:instead of just choosing a style an pressing play to get random music, here you actually choose the sounds and instruments you want to hear, and an AI mix them together intelligently to create an ambiance that play forever without repeating itself. Given it's AI, it's all royalty free. The download function isn't available now, but if you create a scene and want to download it, just ask the guys, they will let you do it for free at the moment (in exchange for a good review) .