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7.1 magnitude earthquake strikes Southern California
- siphon22 7y agoVery worried. Good time to start reprioritizing things in my life.
- TheChaplain 7y agoSome googling tells me Florida and North Dakota are the safest states in the US. Outside US it's Antarctica, but it sounds rather inconvenient..
- asveikau 7y agoFlorida has hurricanes though. Not to mention the risk of "Florida man".
- pizza 7y agoThere's a reason for all those Florida man stories! Might change your mind about them: https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/how-floridas-proud-open-government-laws-lead-to-the-shame-of-florida-man-news-stories-7608595 https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/how-floridas-proud-open-g...
- H8crilA 7y agoOr the sunny day floods and the eventual submersion.
- steven2012 7y agoAlso sinkholes and flooding caused by global warming!
- Ididntdothis 7y agoAlso alligators!
- carlivar 7y agoI would think Arizona is safer than Florida. A lot of DR datacenters in Phoenix.
- t34543 7y agoArizona ranks very low on frequency of natural disasters, but there is a lot of temperature related aggression. Its kind of normal to be threatened with a gun.
- carlivar 7y agoWhat's the source of that information?
- t34543 7y agoPersonal experience. Here is a study to back up the relationship between heat and aggression: https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/6f7e/ce3f7045e645f6b5891a80a10236cabd9f0f.pdf https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/6f7e/ce3f7045e645f6b5891a80...
- oil25 7y agoIf true, this doesn't bode well for the recent heat wave in Alaska, which is already the most violent and dangerous state in the US.
- blhack 7y agoThat is absurd. I’ve lived in Arizona for almost 15 years and I don’t think I know of a single person who has ever been threatened with a gun.
- monocularvision 7y agoOver 40 years in AZ and same experience.
- whymauri 7y agoIn Florida you are a dice roll away from getting your house leveled every decade.
- imperialdrive 7y agoI'm in North Dakota right now for a few days from SF... you'd be trading earthquakes for mosquitos, ticks, and snow!
- crorella 7y agoAfter checking the build quality of the places around here (SFO bay area) I'm getting concerned too. Make sure to have a backpack with some essential items there. Have some gallons of water and make sure to have a plan in the eventuality of an accident, for example, make sure to close the gas main valve. Sync with your family on where to gather if they are at work/school, etc. I was there for the 9.1 @ Chile in 2010 and all of this was super helpful, within 10 minutes my whole family was gathered in our parents house and we were already saving water in our bathtub and pans (which was super handy, because we had no water for about 3 weeks)
- dehrmann 7y ago> After checking the build quality of the places around here (SFO bay area) I'm getting concerned too. Infrastructure or buildings? Wood-frame buildings without a soft story are pretty safe, at least in terms of not killing you.
- crorella 7y agoBuildings mostly, I guess they will move harmonically with the ripples as wood is pretty flexible but I still freak out thinking they could fall over my head lol
- refurb 7y agoHow ere you able to save water? Was there water pressure for a short period of time? I always imagine water pressure being lost right away, so if you didn’t have water already stored you’d be SOL
- crorella 7y agoIt was not lost right away, it was working for several hours, around 12, but with a very low pressure. Since this happened on February (summer time) we were lucky one of our neighbors had a pool full of water we used for the toilet :)
- jcranmer 7y agoNot OP, but the distribution system of water is almost entirely fed by gravity from a water tower. Losing water pressure usually means loss of the power to the pumps supplying the water towers, not breaks in the pipelines themselves. There's enough water stored in the water towers to satisfy usually a few hours of demand, and the water in the pipes might satisfy a few hours more if you live at a low enough elevation.
- jacobkg 7y agoI’m sure it must have been rough for people near the epicenter and I hope everyone is okay. Here in Los Angeles we felt it for sure but a quick survey of friends around town indicates that there wasn’t much damage.
- epage 7y agoThankfully everyone is reporting in safe from what I've seen on facebook (I grew up in the area). As mentioned elsewhere, my biggest concern is those evacuated from the hospital into 100 degree weather.
- akiselev 7y agoDowngraded to a 6.9
- SubiculumCode 7y agoMust still be working on estimate. Back to 7.1
- avree 7y agoAnd back to 6.9!
- milleramp 7y agoThe email from USGS said 4.8, I was surprised it was so far off. They still have not sent a revision. Usually they are much better about this.
- cossatot 7y agoThat may have been for another, smaller quake (one of the larger aftershocks of yesterday's 6.4 event). It looks like there was a 4.6 aftershock which may have triggered the email (the email system is automated). https://earthquake.usgs.gov/ https://earthquake.usgs.gov/
- SubiculumCode 7y agoI prefer the caltech site for fast no-nonsense page loads: Map: http://scedc.caltech.edu/recent/ http://scedc.caltech.edu/recent/ List: http://scedc.caltech.edu/recent/Quakes/quakes0.html http://scedc.caltech.edu/recent/Quakes/quakes0.html back to 7.1
- brighter2morrow 7y agoThey must have just pushed a security patch.
- NZ_Matt 7y agoThankfully the epicenter appears to not be in a densely populated area. Hopefully those in Ridgecrest are all ok.
- Rebelgecko 7y agoI feel bad for all the stores that just finished putting everything back up on shelves. There were libraries looking for volunteers to help pick up fallen books. That said, it does look like there was some damage from this one. The news is showing videos of burning buildings
- ramenmeal 7y agoWe were rocking pretty good in Orange County. Can't imagine being at the epicenter. It lasted long enough to where we start questioning if we needed to do anything.
- cortesoft 7y agoWas giving my daughter a bath when it started. At first I thought I was fainting, because it was a really slow rolling motion like I was on a boat. Then noticed the shower door moving. My daughter kept saying she wanted to go see the earthquake. I think she thought it was outside.
- pizza 7y agoSame about the fainting. I was standing in line at Target on the 4th, and I could have sworn I was gonna pass out there and then until the lady behind me asked if anyone else had felt that. Then I noticed the aisle signs swinging!
- cortesoft 7y agoI always get the names of the different types of quakes confused, but this one was definitely a lot of long slow movement. I have felt some that were more like loud bangs and big jolts, but this one was just like being on a boat.
- dehrmann 7y agoI wonder if the P Wave is what gave you that feeling.
- cossatot 7y agoThese are surface waves, which have a much greater amplitude on the earth's surface than P-waves (which are faster). It's pretty unlikely that anyone can feel P-waves unless they are fairly close to the epicenter. P-waves are also basically a very short pulse; the S waves, which come later, last a bit longer, but also may have relatively low amplitude, and then the surface waves come last and cause the most perceptible (and damaging) ground motion. http://www.geo.mtu.edu/UPSeis/waves.html http://www.geo.mtu.edu/UPSeis/waves.html
- wiredfool 7y agoI definitely felt the p waves in the Seattle quake about 18 years ago. It felt like an initial whump, followed by the shear shaking a moment later.
- pizza 7y agoWould be cool if Siri had a better answer to "what do I do during an earthquake?"
- carlivar 7y agoHere are results on the web for what do I do during an earthquake.
- ekianjo 7y agowhat is its current answer?
- pizza 7y agoStandard web results. I guess I would have preferred some kind of quick tts summary from ready.gov or something.
- carlivar 7y agoGoogle Assistant on android gives a summary. It seems incomplete but it has a small summary thumbnail and the first two items. It's from Victoria State Emergency Service in Australia for whatever reason. I've found Google's AI to be significantly better than Siri.
- jedberg 7y ago
- MysticFear 7y agoA startup @yourjumpstart for earthquake insurance pays out even if you have no damage, assuming you are in the epicenter of a large enough earthquake.
- Rebelgecko 7y agoConsidering the trouble that more established insurance companies have with large natural disasters, I would be a bit wary of a startup for something catatostrophic like earthquakes
- steven2012 7y agoAgreed. There is no way that a startup is capitalized enough to survive a payout. Their CEO and investors must be sweating bullets over the next few days, worrying if an earthquake hits closer to LA
- aianus 7y agoI'm sure they're just reselling a real insurer's product with some marketing and a web 2.0 website. No way an undercapitalized startup is allowed to actually underwrite their own insurance contracts.
- newman8r 7y agoyeah, according to their FAQ: > Jumpstart is a surplus lines insurance broker working in full compliance with applicable insurance regulations. The insurance described here is effected with certain Underwriters at Lloyd's, London.
- jedberg 7y agoI just looked into it. Their max payout appears to be $10,000. That's not a lot. It's not to rebuild your house or anything, it's just to pay for a hotel for a while and maybe some new food.
- geomark 7y ago
- nwallin 7y agoEpicenter is very far inland, approximately halfway between Bakersfield and Las Vegas. (Not Angeles) Densely populated areas are minimally affected.
- fumar 7y agoRecent LA transplant here. Fight or flight did not kick in. Instead, I was mostly confused and kinda paced about the flat while the earth shook. I always imagine myself acting quick on my feet like a movie hero. Two learnings; I know what an earthquake feels like and I need to increase my disaster preparedness.
- jedberg 7y agoAny time you enter a room, look for a strong table. It'll become habit after a couple quakes. :)
- belltaco 7y agoIf you spend more than 3 hours a day near such a table, then place some water bottles and optionally non-perishable food close to the table.
- carey 7y agoAfter something bigger, you'll be one the lookout for unreinforced masonry, and crossing the street to avoid it. For example: http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/5588007/Unreinforced-masonry-killed-40 http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquak...
- tekacs 7y agoHere some good material on unreinforced masonry: https://www.fema.gov/media-library-data/20130726-1728-25045-2959/femap774.pdf https://www.fema.gov/media-library-data/20130726-1728-25045-...
- senorjazz 7y agoAfter something bigger, where buildings collapse and stories of families where half got out and half didn't, you will always be aware of the quickest exit and where to be outside so buildings don't collapse on you
- checker659 7y ago
- jedberg 7y ago> This quake was larger than the destructive 1994 Northridge quake, which measured 6.6 magnitude. This isn't entirely accurate. While it's "score" was higher, the magnitude doesn't account for things like the type of fault, the type of movement, the depth, the soil, the duration of movement, etc. Northridge was far more severe than this one, with an "apparent magnitude" greater than 9. Don't get me wrong, this one sucks for all the people affected, no doubt, but as someone who lived through Northridge very close to the epicenter, it's sort of personal to me.
- seaish 7y agoIt's also larger than the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake that destroyed a lot of San Francisco, which was 6.9. A lot of this also has to do with how close to populated areas the earthquake is, and if the same quake happened today, the damage would be much less due to better construction.
- cwt137 7y agoBetter construction is real. I work for a medical institution that is spending close to $1bln to build a new hospital from scratch because they found it cheaper than to do yet another earthquake retrofit.
- BurningFrog 7y agoNote that Loma Prieta is just north of Santa Cruz, over 60 miles from San Francisco. Not sure how to compensate for distance, but my gut feel says that's about equivalent to a 5.9 in SF itself?
- pvg 7y agodestroyed a lot of San Francisco That's overstating things by quite a bit. There was severe damage and fatalities but 'destroyed a lot of San Francisco' was 1906, an estimated 7.9 followed by fires.
- WalterBright 7y agoThe fires did by far the majority of the damage.
- ryandrake 7y agoFelt it here in Vegas. I can’t believe that was all the way in Southern California!
- labster 7y agoIt wasn't really. It's at the south end of the Owens Valley, about as close to Vegas as LA.
- technological 7y agoWas browsing hackernews and suddenly felt bed shaking , thought it was due to tiredness (been to beach). First time felt earthquake .. Surreal experience
- chenster 7y agoYou must be young
- nerdbaggy 7y agoI had my first earthquake a few years a go and it is for sure a weird feeling. I’ve never felt an entire building move until that, it’s a unique feeling
- leemailll 7y agoMy first experience of earthquake was when I was on vacation on Big Island. The wall rattled like someone is keeping hitting it with full force. Then things on table shaking. I tried to phone the frontdesk of the hotel I'm staying to check it, and the line was busy for at least 10 minutes. Guess everybody is wondering what's going on.
- vegiraghav 7y agohappened to me in Delhi. My couch started shaking on its own. Thought my sibling was playing. Turned out to be an earthquake.
- kart23 7y agoThe sound is the worst part for me. Nothing else even comes close to replicating it. All the little things rattling, and the deep rumbles of your whole house moving around.
- frizkie 7y agoTotally. The fact that the sound just comes from everywhere makes you realize how puny you are. The massive rock you've lived on forever, and get by day to day without thinking about in detail, is all of a sudden very, very real.
- Deimorz 7y agoLA Times published an article earlier today about how yesterday's quake may have increased the strain and could lead to a larger one like this: https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-did-california-earthquake-relieve-earthquake-stress-20190705-story.html https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-did-california-... More info in this article (linked to from the one above): http://temblor.net/earthquake-insights/southern-california-m-6-4-earthquake-stressed-by-two-large-historic-ruptures-8976/ http://temblor.net/earthquake-insights/southern-california-m...
- ajkjk 7y agoWhen you go to that area and stand on one of the mountains -- say, on the west ridge of Death Valley -- you can clearly see how the region is a bunch of vertical columns of continental crust that have toppled over, like dominoes. If I call correctly, as the North American plate is pushed up, it gets pulled apart (because the Earth is spherical?) and the cracked pieces fall onto each other. The valleys in between fill with sediment over time, but get deeper also as the mountains roll over further. Point is, I wonder if this was the sound of Badwater Basin (lowest point in North America) getting a little bit lower...
- Stratoscope 7y agoThis is a fascinating insight; I would love to see these columns of continental crust. Any ideas of a particular location to view them? In the meantime, I wonder if there are any good photos of them? I wouldn't know what to search for.
- ajkjk 7y agoI was describing the top of Wildrose peak there -- one of the coolest views I've seen in my life. I want to go back and try Telescope peak, which is right next to it and a bit higher and more strenuous, sometime. These hikes aren't nearly as hot as the valley, and probably manageable even in the summer. Much of Death Valley's heat comes from the air being more compressed the lower you go, so if you're 6000 ft up it's not that bad at all. Although, be careful. Here's some pictures I found online: https://www.americansouthwest.net/california/death_valley/wildrosepeak_l.html https://www.americansouthwest.net/california/death_valley/wi... . Note that the rock below you has clearly toppled over to almost a 45 degree angle. All the mountains in the distance are like that also. A few hours later I was on a different ridge and a bunch of fighter jets flew through a canyon _below_ me. Death Valley is awesome. (although that may have been right outside of it?)
- knolax 7y agoI searched "west ridge of death valley" and found this: https://live.staticflickr.com/4895/44030456180_28939e0a06_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/4895/44030456180_28939e0a06_b.... . Maybe this was what gp was talking about?
- beders 7y agoWho else in the bay area will finally get its earthquake-readiness kit tomorrow morning? :)
- TomVDB 7y agoI’ve been thinking of getting us one of those for the past 15 years! Maybe tomorrow will be the day...
- Arnie0426 7y agoGood thing burning man is so soon, half of silicon valley is probably already well stocked and prepared.
- bamboozled 7y agoBit off topic, but it's amazing when you're in another time zone how hard it is in 2019 to actually workout when an event occurred, there are dates everywhere attached to this event, some with the timezone listed, some without. When you do have the time zone, conversion isn't trivial. I hope someday at least the Internet works on UTC :)
- raldi 7y agohttps://www.worldtimebuddy.com/ https://www.worldtimebuddy.com/
- Rebelgecko 7y agoMaybe the timing was coincidental, but it looked like reddit was down for a few minutes after the earthquake (I checked some other sites to make sure it wasn't just my router being silly after power came back). Reminded me a bit of how almost every news website (barring Slashdot) went down on 9/11. I wonder how many sites could handle the load if a serious disaster happened. Makes me reconsider where I'll be able to get info when something bad happens
- oil25 7y agoHAM Radio or SDR! It's worth picking up something as inexpensive as a Baofeng or RTL2832U transceiver, even just to listen on common frequencies.
- Rebelgecko 7y agoI have one of those cheap RTL-SDR dongles that I use for listening to ADS-B messages. Other than listening to FM radio, do you know if any other good uses in a disaster situation?
- jsjohnst 7y agoFind out what frequencies are used in your area for HAMs participating in disaster response.
- Stratoscope 7y agoEven better, get your ham license before you need it, and practice getting on the air with emergency nets and just to chat with fellow hams. Any HN regular should be able to study for a few hours and pass the Technician test. This gives you access to all the VHF and UHF frequencies that are often used in emergency communications. A bit more study and you can get the General license, which lets you use more HF (potentially longer range) frequencies. Here is a good place to start: https://hamstudy.org/ https://hamstudy.org/ Many hams start with a cheap Baofeng handheld. These sell in the $25-60 range. Here's one I have and recommend - it's at the high end of that range but has several improvements over the cheaper ones including a better antenna: https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01J2W4JUI/ https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01J2W4JUI/ Ham radio has been popping up on HN a lot lately. Besides emergency communications, there are a lot of interesting things you can do once you get your license. Feel free to holler with any questions!
- oska 7y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Ridgecrest_earthquakes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Ridgecrest_earthquakes
- mmastrac 7y agoThis shook my hotel in Vegas. We evacuated but it was pretty minor. I'm glad to be leaving tomorrow! The windows and doors were creaking and making loud cracking noises. Both times it felt like an unbalanced washing machine on a different floor.
- longemen3000 7y agoI was in the 8.8 earthquake in chile (2010), near the epicenter. for the following days, a lot of replicas over 7.0 occurred. if your construction follows the regulations, it will be fine (some minor repairs), but any structural damage can and will be the death sentence for that structure. In those times, we were worried about the lack of water,food and electricity.a big freezer stuffed with food can last a week without electricity, because of the insulation and the amount of water inside
- longemen3000 7y agoI live in a two-floor building though, and the oscillations are amplified by tall structures, so be safe
- checker659 7y agoI think that depends on the dominant frequency of the earthquake.
- maddyboo 7y agoAs someone living on the second floor of a rather old (built in 1940s) apartment building in Northern California, I’d love to hear any suggestions for ensuring it’s safe in the event of an earthquake like this.
- reilly3000 7y agoHere to plug the American Red Cross emergency apps. They have high quality, offline-available info on preparation and survival of various natural disasters. I believe they also push out real time info on them about relief efforts, shelters, etc. Here is the Earthquake app: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/earthquake-american-red-cross/id557946227 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/earthquake-american-red-cross/...
- redonkulus 7y agoJust downloaded it. Great app. Lots of useful info. Thanks!
- ilaksh 7y agoWe had some very minor shaking in Tijuana.
- alex_young 7y agoWhat happened to proof reading? I do not understand how the second paragraph of a major article in the LA times could have an error like this: "Scientists said it the fault causing the quakes appears to be growing."
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- jacquesm 7y agoIn some situations it can be more important to get the news out than to have it perfect. Whether this is one of those situations I don't want to make the call on since I'm two continents and one ocean away from it but I can imagine that there is some pressure with an event like this.
- want2know 7y agoI'm not saying this is related but I suddenly thought about the internet problems lately. Animals sometimes can feel earthquakes coming. Little is known about this but it is suggested that it has to do with electromagnetic fields. We experience problems on earth when there were bug sun flames. Could a big earthquake influence our communications?
- brianzelip 7y agoI'm flying to LA next week for the first time, and am a little worried after the quakes. I appreciate much of the comments on preparedness and observing what's happening around you, but am looking for some more details, like: - how to spot "unreinforced masonry" in order to avoid it? - why is a strong table to be looked for inside, to get underneath it? - I would imagine basements are bad to be in, is that so? - I would imagine upstairs is a bad place to be too, right? - does the ground really split underneath your feet?
- epage 7y agoHonestly, I wouldn't worry too much. These earthquakes are far enough away that LA shouldn't be feeling too much and they should calm down soon. The likelihood of other earthquakes cropping up seems relatively low.
- kyshoc 7y ago> why is a strong table to be looked for inside, to get underneath it? Modern buildings don't usually completely collapse ("pancake"), and being under a sturdy table can absorb the weight of partial collapse: as an example, an interior wall collapsing onto you. See [0]. > I would imagine basements are bad to be in, is that so? All I know about this is that having a (code-compliant) basement makes the entire house more resilient, but I couldn't find anything about being _in_ the basement during an EQ being good or bad. Know that basements in low-density structures are quite scarce[1] in Southern California, though -- I've lived in LA for four years and don't remember ever being in one, except in large apartment buildings. Don't try to get out of a basement if you're in one when an EQ hits. Most injuries are a result of people breaking their ankles and legs trying to move while the ground is shaking. > I would imagine upstairs is a bad place to be too, right? It's a tradeoff. In the event of a structure collapse, you have further to fall but less structure to fall on top of you. > does the ground really split underneath your feet? Yes, if you're straddling the fault line and standing near the epicenter. (You won't be doing that). There has never been a confirmed case of someone falling into an "earthquake chasm", but it might be something to worry about if you're a cow grazing in a Bay Area field[2]. --- Take a look at this study[3] of the 74 deaths caused by the '94 Northridge EQ. It's the best data we can use to project what would happen if a major EQ hit LA today. [0]: http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/04/tech/innovation/the-earthquake-proof-table/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/04/tech/innovation/the-earthquake... [1]: https://www.latimes.com/home/la-hm-basement-side-20150509-story.html https://www.latimes.com/home/la-hm-basement-side-20150509-st... [2]: https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2013/01/do-people-ever-fall-down-earthquake-chasms-yeah-when-the-earth-swallows-cows.html https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2013/01/do-people-ever... [3]: http://www.iitk.ac.in/nicee/wcee/article/11_979.PDF http://www.iitk.ac.in/nicee/wcee/article/11_979.PDF
- epage 7y agoI grew up in Ridgecrest during the time it became known for earthquakes (e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k8f2gJjXkQ&feature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k8f2gJjXkQ&feature=share ). That commercial isn't far off in that it got to the point that we no longer ran for cover. I remember watching TV and feeling the ground roll underneath me and not being phased. Random notes: - The epicenters tends to be relatively close (<20 miles) and relatively shallow (<10 miles). - I think the 7.1 brings this into the territory of stronger than we had growing up. - I've seen people mention that it didn't impact a densely populated area. Normally I feel the same relief about that except this time I know the people which brings a different perspective - My biggest concern is for those who were evacuated from the hospital in the 100 degree weather. A childhood friend's dad is bedridden, trying to recover, and is now out in the heat. - I've seen reports of roads to towns like Trona being closed off. Unsure if that is all routes and how long until they re-open but that is probably my next biggest concern.
- 4gotmypw 7y agoWhy is there no mention of China Lake here? If the quake was NE of Ridgecrest, does that put it on the rather extensive China Lake weapons facility?
- nuclear_eclipse 7y agoThere was one paragraph: > The quake caused further damage to a U.S. weapons testing facility outside Ridgecrest, the Naval Air Weapons Station China Lake, although details were sparse early Saturday. “NAWS China Lake is not mission capable until further notice; however, security protocols remain in effect,” the naval base said on its Facebook page after the latest temblor. The installation is the Navy’s largest single landholding, sprawling over 1.1 million acres, an area larger than Rhode Island.
- nostrademons 7y agoPresumably the federal government is taking care of China Lake and doesn't want anyone to know about it. I don't see why they would invite the press onto a classified weapons research facility just to catalog earthquake damage. When you're a wealthy landowner housing thousands of explosive munitions in an active fault zone, presumably you build it to withstand earthquakes. But yes, AFAICT from the maps, the epicenter was basically right under China Lake.
- dogsgobork 7y ago>When you're a wealthy landowner housing thousands of explosive munitions in an active fault zone, presumably you build it to withstand earthquakes. The Naval Air Weapons Station China Lake in Ridgecrest was evacuated and deemed not "mission capable" https://ktla.com/2019/07/06/naval-air-weapons-station-china-lake-in-ridgecrest-evacuated-deemed-not-mission-capable-after-quake/ https://ktla.com/2019/07/06/naval-air-weapons-station-china-...
- kylegordon 7y agoThe earthquake even cause the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter to lose its signal lock. https://twitter.com/nascom1/status/1146904935843295233 https://twitter.com/nascom1/status/1146904935843295233