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Youtube updating its policy to ban videos they have already monetized from, while the creators get nothing. Youtube is a monopoly. Creators need to get off YT,

Youtube updating its policy to ban videos they have already monetized from, while the creators get nothing. Youtube is a monopoly. Creators need to get off YT, and onto something else if it exists.

lghh 7y ago
> if it exists. It doesn't.
- skrebbel 7y ago
  Vimeo?
  - jasode 7y ago
    An example of Vimeo terminating an account of a guy reviewing rat traps after he paid Vimeo's $240 fee: deep link: https://youtu.be/GGMdrBEumLE?t=87 https://youtu.be/GGMdrBEumLE?t=87
    - officeplant 7y ago
      Big fan of his channel. It's so fucking stupid how a simple educational channel on mouse traps (and other types of pest traps) can run into a wall of censorship and demonetization.
  - est31 7y ago
    Most played youtube video: despacito (6.6 B) Most played vimeo video: the mountain (77 M) Most played pornhub video: kim kardashian's sex tape (195 M) There is quite a headstart for YouTube here when it comes to number of viewers.
  - plopz 7y ago
    Vimeo banned video game content for not being arty enough. It was a shame too since they were poised to succeed since stage6 had just shut down and youtube wasn't doing HD video.
- Zardoz84 7y ago
  redtube and other porn oriented platforms have no porn content.
  - dragonwriter 7y ago
    > redtube and other porn oriented platforms have no porn content. I think that you dropped a letter which radically alters the meaning of this sentence from what was intended.
- deleted 7y ago
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- akvadrako 7y ago
  Bitchute
jeena 7y ago
Host yourself with PeerTube: https://joinpeertube.org/en/ https://joinpeertube.org/en/
- KingFelix 7y ago
  came here to see what the alternative is. Need to get some big names on platforms like this, or create a new channel/new star/from this.
- BearsAreCool 7y ago
  I went on peertube and I get the feeling half the links would have gotten my ISP angry with me. Bit too much piracy for me. EDIT: Update, they aren't even real full movies. They're just baits that tell you to click some link in the description.
  - bitL 7y ago
    You can self-host PeerTube and decide what content you want to share, i.e. you can share only your own videos while still being federated.
themagician 7y ago
Creators can host their own content with their own sponsorship and advertising agreements on their own domain and pay their own bandwidth bill. YouTube was born in an era of a half dozen different non-standard codecs. Now H.264/MP4 works on everything from TVs to watches. The reality is that most content on YouTube isn’t even worth the bandwidth it costs to get it to people. Most creators are just looking for a handout for creating mindless nonsense.
radcon 7y ago
> Creators need to get off YT, and onto something else if it exists. The most common response to this is that a YouTube alternative can't exist because Google operates it at a loss (unverifiable), so anyone who tries to compete will fail. The YouTube business model also aligns perfectly with Google's strengths: Advertising, data storage, search, etc. So even if it is profitable, it would still be extremely difficult for anyone else to make money in the same market.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > The YouTube business model also aligns perfectly with Google's strengths: The things people want an alternative for are central to YouTube’s business model, so an alternative that would have any chance of not duplicating the problems would not be trying to duplicate that business model. One alternative would be a basic creator-pays model which provides the option for creators to require viewer payment for some or all content with a cut of viewer payment received going to the platfrom as well as all of the creator payment going that way.
Liquix 7y ago
> if it exists Herein lies the problem.. Most creators/uploaders know on some level that YT is a toxic monopoly and would be happy to jump ship. Granted some more than others, but I've never observed any sense of loyalty towards the platform - it's just where everyone goes to share and watch videos. However, switching to vimeo/DTube/flixxo/etc means less views and smaller paychecks. Why would content creators in the same amount of effort for less recognition & money? Nothing will change until alternative services solve the problem of monetization & audience size. Thus a chicken-vs-egg situation where viewers don't want to switch because their favorite uploaders are on YT, uploaders don't want to switch because all their viewers are on YT, and competitors can't convince investors to bankroll them without higher user counts. Meanwhile, the Big G/YT monolith keeps chugging along with thousands of employees and billions of dollars behind it, becoming more deeply entrenched every year. What's the solution?
- whatshisface 7y ago
  Vimeo isn't clean, they banned Alex Jones for believing (edit: and yes, saying) unacceptable things.
  - diminoten 7y ago
    No, they banned him for saying unacceptable things.
  - Liquix 7y ago
    Dang, wasn't aware - that's discouraging. However I was not suggesting Vimeo is 'clean' - don't know enough about the ethics/track record of any of those services enough to imply that Vimeo is anything except another option for hosting videos.
  - tasty_freeze 7y ago
    Your edit doesn't go far enough. He encouraged hate against the parents of the children killed at the Sandyhook mass shooting. Yes, Jones has a right to be a crackpot, but it ends when it infringes on the rights of the people Jones' audience harassing.
TheAceOfHearts 7y ago
There are alternatives. For years I've been following content creators who upload their content to multiple services because they saw the writing on the wall. Bitchute: https://www.dailymotion.com/us https://www.dailymotion.com/us Dailymotion: https://www.dailymotion.com/us https://www.dailymotion.com/us PeerTube: https://joinpeertube.org/ https://joinpeertube.org/
- BearsAreCool 7y ago
  You probably want to fix the first link.
- Rebelgecko 7y ago
  Some of the banned/demonetized firearms videos have also moved on to sites like Full30 and pornhub
  - darkpuma 7y ago
    The reported move to pornhub was pretty much just a one-time PR stunt to get some media attention for the issue (it worked.) Full30 seems to be taking a serious shot at it though.
  - Scoundreller 7y ago
    Reminds me of Ebay: wherever it banned a category of products, some other marketplace popped up to fill the void. By banning, it gave up control of entire sectors.
- TheAceOfHearts 7y ago
  I messed up when pasting links, this is the correct Bitchute link: https://www.bitchute.com/ https://www.bitchute.com/ Thanks to BearsAreCool for pointing it out.
ysavir 7y ago
> Creators need to get off YT, and onto something else if it exists. It does now! I'm currently in the process of launching a content-host agnostic platform for creators. Basically, MyNexus is a platform to share content with your audience, highlight your preferred avenues for support (eg. Patreon or PayPal), and run promotions (whether your own products or sponsorships). MyNexus doesn't host any of the content itself. You can still upload your videos to Youtube, Vimeo, Peertube, or any other service. Need to shift to a different platform later? No problem. Simply edit your post and your entire content catalogue is preserved without any inconvenience to your audience. If you're interested in learning more, email me at yaniv@mynexus.io.

Youtube updating its policy to ban videos they have already monetized from, while the creators get nothing. Youtube is a monopoly. Creators need to get off YT, and onto something else if it exists.

lghh 7y ago

> if it exists. It doesn't.

skrebbel 7y ago
Vimeo?
- jasode 7y ago
  An example of Vimeo terminating an account of a guy reviewing rat traps after he paid Vimeo's $240 fee: deep link: https://youtu.be/GGMdrBEumLE?t=87 https://youtu.be/GGMdrBEumLE?t=87
  - officeplant 7y ago
    Big fan of his channel. It's so fucking stupid how a simple educational channel on mouse traps (and other types of pest traps) can run into a wall of censorship and demonetization.
- est31 7y ago
  Most played youtube video: despacito (6.6 B) Most played vimeo video: the mountain (77 M) Most played pornhub video: kim kardashian's sex tape (195 M) There is quite a headstart for YouTube here when it comes to number of viewers.
- plopz 7y ago
  Vimeo banned video game content for not being arty enough. It was a shame too since they were poised to succeed since stage6 had just shut down and youtube wasn't doing HD video.
Zardoz84 7y ago
redtube and other porn oriented platforms have no porn content.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > redtube and other porn oriented platforms have no porn content. I think that you dropped a letter which radically alters the meaning of this sentence from what was intended.
deleted 7y ago
[deleted]
akvadrako 7y ago
Bitchute

jeena 7y ago

Host yourself with PeerTube: https://joinpeertube.org/en/ https://joinpeertube.org/en/

KingFelix 7y ago
came here to see what the alternative is. Need to get some big names on platforms like this, or create a new channel/new star/from this.
BearsAreCool 7y ago
I went on peertube and I get the feeling half the links would have gotten my ISP angry with me. Bit too much piracy for me. EDIT: Update, they aren't even real full movies. They're just baits that tell you to click some link in the description.
- bitL 7y ago
  You can self-host PeerTube and decide what content you want to share, i.e. you can share only your own videos while still being federated.

themagician 7y ago

Creators can host their own content with their own sponsorship and advertising agreements on their own domain and pay their own bandwidth bill. YouTube was born in an era of a half dozen different non-standard codecs. Now H.264/MP4 works on everything from TVs to watches. The reality is that most content on YouTube isn’t even worth the bandwidth it costs to get it to people. Most creators are just looking for a handout for creating mindless nonsense.

radcon 7y ago

> Creators need to get off YT, and onto something else if it exists. The most common response to this is that a YouTube alternative can't exist because Google operates it at a loss (unverifiable), so anyone who tries to compete will fail. The YouTube business model also aligns perfectly with Google's strengths: Advertising, data storage, search, etc. So even if it is profitable, it would still be extremely difficult for anyone else to make money in the same market.

dragonwriter 7y ago
> The YouTube business model also aligns perfectly with Google's strengths: The things people want an alternative for are central to YouTube’s business model, so an alternative that would have any chance of not duplicating the problems would not be trying to duplicate that business model. One alternative would be a basic creator-pays model which provides the option for creators to require viewer payment for some or all content with a cut of viewer payment received going to the platfrom as well as all of the creator payment going that way.

Liquix 7y ago

> if it exists Herein lies the problem.. Most creators/uploaders know on some level that YT is a toxic monopoly and would be happy to jump ship. Granted some more than others, but I've never observed any sense of loyalty towards the platform - it's just where everyone goes to share and watch videos. However, switching to vimeo/DTube/flixxo/etc means less views and smaller paychecks. Why would content creators in the same amount of effort for less recognition & money? Nothing will change until alternative services solve the problem of monetization & audience size. Thus a chicken-vs-egg situation where viewers don't want to switch because their favorite uploaders are on YT, uploaders don't want to switch because all their viewers are on YT, and competitors can't convince investors to bankroll them without higher user counts. Meanwhile, the Big G/YT monolith keeps chugging along with thousands of employees and billions of dollars behind it, becoming more deeply entrenched every year. What's the solution?

whatshisface 7y ago
Vimeo isn't clean, they banned Alex Jones for believing (edit: and yes, saying) unacceptable things.
- diminoten 7y ago
  No, they banned him for saying unacceptable things.
- Liquix 7y ago
  Dang, wasn't aware - that's discouraging. However I was not suggesting Vimeo is 'clean' - don't know enough about the ethics/track record of any of those services enough to imply that Vimeo is anything except another option for hosting videos.
- tasty_freeze 7y ago
  Your edit doesn't go far enough. He encouraged hate against the parents of the children killed at the Sandyhook mass shooting. Yes, Jones has a right to be a crackpot, but it ends when it infringes on the rights of the people Jones' audience harassing.

TheAceOfHearts 7y ago

There are alternatives. For years I've been following content creators who upload their content to multiple services because they saw the writing on the wall. Bitchute: https://www.dailymotion.com/us https://www.dailymotion.com/us Dailymotion: https://www.dailymotion.com/us https://www.dailymotion.com/us PeerTube: https://joinpeertube.org/ https://joinpeertube.org/

BearsAreCool 7y ago
You probably want to fix the first link.
Rebelgecko 7y ago
Some of the banned/demonetized firearms videos have also moved on to sites like Full30 and pornhub
- darkpuma 7y ago
  The reported move to pornhub was pretty much just a one-time PR stunt to get some media attention for the issue (it worked.) Full30 seems to be taking a serious shot at it though.
- Scoundreller 7y ago
  Reminds me of Ebay: wherever it banned a category of products, some other marketplace popped up to fill the void. By banning, it gave up control of entire sectors.
TheAceOfHearts 7y ago
I messed up when pasting links, this is the correct Bitchute link: https://www.bitchute.com/ https://www.bitchute.com/ Thanks to BearsAreCool for pointing it out.

ysavir 7y ago

> Creators need to get off YT, and onto something else if it exists. It does now! I'm currently in the process of launching a content-host agnostic platform for creators. Basically, MyNexus is a platform to share content with your audience, highlight your preferred avenues for support (eg. Patreon or PayPal), and run promotions (whether your own products or sponsorships). MyNexus doesn't host any of the content itself. You can still upload your videos to Youtube, Vimeo, Peertube, or any other service. Need to shift to a different platform later? No problem. Simply edit your post and your entire content catalogue is preserved without any inconvenience to your audience. If you're interested in learning more, email me at yaniv@mynexus.io.