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I find the outages of the last few days a curious coincidence : Slack, Google, Cloudflare, Azure, now FB. edit : added Slack after @kache_ mentioned it, added
by the-dude 7y ago
I find the outages of the last few days a curious coincidence : Slack, Google, Cloudflare, Azure, now FB.
edit : added Slack after @kache_ mentioned it, added Azure after stevehubertron mentioned it.
- samstave 7y agoSo the options are: 1) a secret cyber-war is going on... 2) Some entity is installing new spying slurps 3) An (critical) IX that we werent aware of is having major issues... and we dont know who to blame on that one...
- lovecg 7y ago4) People love to find patterns where none exist
- anon_z88 7y agoThis is a fallacy all humans experience, however, what is the probability specifically that all these problems are unrelated? At what probability is it mathematically impossible that these problems are unrelated? AFAF
- NateEag 7y agoThe answer to your last question is 0. "Impossible" means "impossible", not "unbelievably improbable". That's even more true when you ask about "mathematically impossible", as it reinforces the idea of formal logic being the relevant domain, where precise meaning of words is fundamental. If you adjust your question to be "at what probability is it unreasonable to claim these problems are unrelated?", then the answer is subjective - different people have different standards for reasonability. I think we'd need mountains more data than we have about the incidents to compute a meaningful probability, anyway.
- lucasverra 7y agois that a patern ?
- samstave 7y ago5) patterns exist and people who have been online for decades can see them. (Your HN account is 4 months old. Mine is ten years old)
- dogecoinbase 7y agoHonestly, I think it's much simpler than that -- the last decade has been a general trend of building more centralized, less resilient systems. The global internet is in an inherently unstable state because of this (i.e. when problems occur, the internet is no longer able to route around them because the problems are internal to large organizations which both control huge portions of the internet and which aren't internally incentivized to separate components -- see e.g. the AWS status images living on S3). These outages are simply more and more frequent as the system's instability increases. And they will continue to become more frequent as time goes on, until organizations realize that they can't control their own uptime unless they run their own infrastructure, at which point the pendulum will start swinging back the other way. Rinse, repeat.
- basch 7y ago0day patch gone wrong? We've seen before that these companies work together to patch issues behind the scenes before announcing them.
- Raphmedia 7y ago1 & 2: Could it be? https://futurism.com/russian-sub-fire-internet-cables https://futurism.com/russian-sub-fire-internet-cables
- samstave 7y agoUss jimmy carter
- dharmab 7y ago4) it's summertime in the predominantly online part of the world and general human activity is at a peak
- samstave 7y agoHmm... I like this theory... Its innocent but id like to see data behind it.
- stevenhubertron 7y agoAdd Azure to the list. Its routing was down for about 2 hours yesterday.
- the-dude 7y agoActually, I started wondering the last few minutes : what if the next worldwar would start on the internet? Or is this a common assumption already? I had not connected Huawei to my conspiracy theory yet, but just did.
- dreamcompiler 7y agoPeople who make defense policy have been assuming the answer to that question was "yes" for about 20 years now. It's sometimes described as "cyber precedes kinetic." https://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/MG1215.html https://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/MG1215.html
- the-dude 7y agoThank you. So we are basically waiting for a Twitter outage.
- wallflower 7y agoIf Dropbox goes down, then something serious may be going on.
- cnorthwood 7y agoI think Twitter DMs are having issues too...
- TuringNYC 7y agoOk, so unfriendly sovereign nations are trying to “hurt” us by making social media inaccessible? I’m half joking here, but perhaps we should all be out, about, and enjoying Independence Day in person rather than through our phone screens. (Yes I realize WhatsApp is a different segment, an important way people communicate.)
- woliveirajr 7y agoWhatsapp is having problem delivering downloads now (at least where I live)
- noncoml 7y agoWhy curious? Is there anything to make you believe there is foul play?
- Raphmedia 7y agoCurious because those are big services people expect to see up 99% of the time. To have them all fail in the same 48h is a curious coincidence.
- prab97 7y ago99% is actually a lot below SLA for these services. It means the services are down for 3 days 15 hours in an year.
- reaperducer 7y agoWhy curious? People naturally find coincidences curious. It's how we find causality.
- SmellyGeekBoy 7y agoOften even when there is none to be found.
- simlevesque 7y agoJeff Bezos casted a spell to crush his opponents \s
- hobbescotch 7y agoApple Music seems to be having issues too
- leothekim 7y agoEmpire BlueCross/BlueShield's site is down. Not quite in the same category but sucks if I want to file claims. https://www.empireblue.com/ https://www.empireblue.com/
- XCSme 7y agoHeard some rumors that China might have something to do to this, related to the Hong Kong protests, but they're just rumors.
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- cryoshon 7y agowhere are you seeing the rumors, if i may ask? i'm not interested in propagating mistruths, but i'm interested in digging deeper.
- salemh 7y agoNot the poster you replied to, but searching OSINT seems to cover this. Open source intel - though a lot of that is actually on Twitter.
- edwintorok 7y agoHN still seems to be working, perhaps they should consider hosting their own cloud?
- oblio 7y agoHN is probably running on a LispMachine next to pg's desk. I wanted to say "under his desk", but you know, LispMachines...
- tim333 7y agoSeems its still a single server. I think PG is off on sabbatical still though. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18184749 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18184749
- trevor-e 7y agoI agree that the probability of these occurring so close together is very unlikely. Separately, this is a huge blow for Instagram/Facebook since this is one of the busiest social media sharing weeks in the US. I bet a lot of their engineers are answering pagers on vacation.
- dmitrygr 7y agoIf you have your work with you, it isn't a vacation.
- wongarsu 7y agoIf it's emergencies only and you get compensated handsomely many people will feel it's worth it. Of course reality often looks different.
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- avh02 7y agodepends on how you value your vacation time with family/friends/to yourself.
- pfundstein 7y agoIn my experience, people jostle to take part in a rotating on-call roster where they are sufficiently compensated, in my case $1700/week, to occasionally answer one or two calls.
- dheera 7y agoA lot of my vacation destinations don't even have cellular signal. Taking a laptop is often not an option on some trips either.
- JonathonW 7y agoCloudflare's already stated that their outage yesterday was their own mistake: https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-outage/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-outage/
- jbverschoor 7y agoOfcourse. And banks are never hacked or stolen from
- eof 7y agoSure but if there were some other weird conspiracy, they would still likely say something like this.
- ratsimihah 7y agoImagine if Google is next
- qwertox 7y agoSeveral european banks are also having issues with their login sites and online services. Backends are working though. I know, it's far fetched to throw them in the same bucket, and I won't, but it feels like there is happening some kind of reorganization on the net, which in the worst case would be some kind of global state-sponsored MITM-layer getting set up, maybe to prepare for new techs like 5G and TLS1.3.
- tenpies 7y agoMy metaphorical tinfoil hat tells me that all the sudden security meetings yesterday (Putin, European Security Council, US VP Pence) were about this.
- wybiral 7y agoIf I were going to buy into any theory other than coincidence my bet would be on an emergency patch situation where we're seeing the rushed deployment. But it's probably just a coincidence.
- api 7y agoThat is not terribly far fetched. Cisco powers a lot of the core and has had nasty zero days before.
- gevz 7y agoAnd on top of that highly classified Russian submarine allegedly used to tap on undersea cables has sunk on Monday.
- caiobegotti 7y agoOne of the biggest banks in Brazil (state owned) is currently having the same problem, bb.com.br
- vitorgrs 7y agoTwitter notifications and DMs were also down today.
- All4All 7y ago+ A large unnamed government contractor that has also been having some rare network outages throughout the week.
- stevendgarcia 7y agoAll of my VPS servers have been slammed in the last 5 days with bruteforce SSH attacks. I've never seen anything this aggressive. One of my servers got PWNed, which has never happened to me before. There's definitely some wild, shady shit going on.
- pfundstein 7y agoI highly recommend installing fail2ban to automatically firewall IPs with consecutive failed attempts, or if possible, disable password authentication altogether and use key auth.
- stevendgarcia 7y agoSolid advice. I had fail2ban installed and enabled. SSHD Root/password login turned off and only ssh key had access. My firewall was also airtight, or so I thought. Clearly I mucked up a config or setting somewhere because the odds of someone getting past all that are extremely low. One thing I had not prepared for was IP spoofing which I learned can be prevented with a few net.ipv4.conf tweaks. I also just purchased a static IP from my provider so I can lock down ssh access even further. Here's hoping I never have to deal with this headache again! fingers crossed
- acegopher 7y agoWhat was the vector by which they gained access? I have fail2ban, password login turned off, key access, airtight firewall, etc. and now am worried.
- nonbirithm 7y agoCould it be a physical infrastructure problem? There are occasional issues with fiber cuts that cause outages. I'd imagine many companies rely on such a critical piece of infrastructure.
- badrabbit 7y ago"When it rains,it pours" In my experience this is so true! The opposite applies as well,for some reason everything behaves quietly all at once and I turn up every leav and look under every carpet for a "problem" with the monitoring or something worse. Probability is funny, for example I don't think anyone has explained exactly why numbers that start with '1' are so common. I think it's just geometric symmetry if complex event chains.
- senderista 7y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benford's_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benford's_law
- badrabbit 7y agoThank you,i think this has to do with higher order numbers' symmetry with each other
- notimetorelax 7y agoMight be a desire to release new versions ahead of July 4th holiday.
- Bombthecat 7y agoIf I would take a wild guess : it's the heat waves. They drain people's concentration...
- TheAceOfHearts 7y agoThere was a huge Comcast outage in the bay area last week as well, although most people probably didn't notice since it happened at night.
- moret1979 7y agoAnd today, eight days later, Twitter.