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Agreed. What is the privacy concern of allowing face recognition if you are letting them scan your passport?

by aurbano 7y ago

kowdermeister 7y ago
Maybe you don't want new data points on your face in a database.
- chii 7y ago
  Not sure if this happens in smaller airports, but if the passport scanner is automated, they already take a picture of you.
  - rickycook 7y ago
    they have a copy of a static image that they likely already have access to. very different to a high res alternate image, from a different angle, with a different expression, in different lighting
    - nimajneb 7y ago
      It's only static if they aren't using AI to analyze the tons of images they have of you from security cameras etc. Google Photos can learn and search for faces of a person based on one confirmed face a person. I'm sure Facebook can as well. There's no reason to believe the Government or TSA is or isn't doing this.
  - edwintorok 7y ago
    The ePassport gates in at the UK border both scan your passport and take a picture to confirm that it is indeed you. Since they already had my picture in the database from the passport I did not consider this an invasion of my privacy, and (for now) they are opt-in instead of opt-out.
    - beatgammit 7y ago
      Wait, what do they take a picture of, your passport or you?
      - matwood 7y ago
        You scan your passport, lean in for a picture of your face, and hand a receipt to a person on your way out.
        edwintorok 7y ago
        Yes, except instead of a receipt the gate just opened and I went through.
      - bradstewart 7y ago
        Both.
- gbrown 7y ago
  There are already cameras everywhere though.
- bonestamp2 7y ago
  It would make sense if that were true, but they already have his face. All he's really opting out of is them matching the one in their database when he's standing there. Maybe there's some value in that, but I agree the real value is not giving them your face to begin with and it's too late for that by the time you get to the gate... they've already got it.
dawnerd 7y ago
Exactly, they already have your face in the system. Opting out isn't going to change that. Airports are likely already using facial recognition anyways. PDX had these installed not too long ago: https://www.dormakaba.com/us-en/solutions/products/entrance-systems/security-revolving-doors---interlocks/exit-lane-breach-control-407702 https://www.dormakaba.com/us-en/solutions/products/entrance-... What makes these interesting is they're getting stereoscopic imaging with multiple camera angles of video. That can potentially be used for some invasive tracking.
femto113 7y ago
The distinction is nonsensical to me from a privacy standpoint. Your passport includes a picture of your face, anyone scanning your passport looks at that picture and your face to verify the passport is "you". I'm sure whatever is recorded by either process is essentially the same: a person with your face was in a particular place at a particular time.

Agreed. What is the privacy concern of allowing face recognition if you are letting them scan your passport?

kowdermeister 7y ago

Maybe you don't want new data points on your face in a database.

chii 7y ago
Not sure if this happens in smaller airports, but if the passport scanner is automated, they already take a picture of you.
- rickycook 7y ago
  they have a copy of a static image that they likely already have access to. very different to a high res alternate image, from a different angle, with a different expression, in different lighting
  - nimajneb 7y ago
    It's only static if they aren't using AI to analyze the tons of images they have of you from security cameras etc. Google Photos can learn and search for faces of a person based on one confirmed face a person. I'm sure Facebook can as well. There's no reason to believe the Government or TSA is or isn't doing this.
- edwintorok 7y ago
  The ePassport gates in at the UK border both scan your passport and take a picture to confirm that it is indeed you. Since they already had my picture in the database from the passport I did not consider this an invasion of my privacy, and (for now) they are opt-in instead of opt-out.
  - beatgammit 7y ago
    Wait, what do they take a picture of, your passport or you?
    - matwood 7y ago
      You scan your passport, lean in for a picture of your face, and hand a receipt to a person on your way out.
      - edwintorok 7y ago
        Yes, except instead of a receipt the gate just opened and I went through.
    - bradstewart 7y ago
      Both.
gbrown 7y ago
There are already cameras everywhere though.
bonestamp2 7y ago
It would make sense if that were true, but they already have his face. All he's really opting out of is them matching the one in their database when he's standing there. Maybe there's some value in that, but I agree the real value is not giving them your face to begin with and it's too late for that by the time you get to the gate... they've already got it.

dawnerd 7y ago

Exactly, they already have your face in the system. Opting out isn't going to change that. Airports are likely already using facial recognition anyways. PDX had these installed not too long ago: https://www.dormakaba.com/us-en/solutions/products/entrance-systems/security-revolving-doors---interlocks/exit-lane-breach-control-407702 https://www.dormakaba.com/us-en/solutions/products/entrance-... What makes these interesting is they're getting stereoscopic imaging with multiple camera angles of video. That can potentially be used for some invasive tracking.

femto113 7y ago

The distinction is nonsensical to me from a privacy standpoint. Your passport includes a picture of your face, anyone scanning your passport looks at that picture and your face to verify the passport is "you". I'm sure whatever is recorded by either process is essentially the same: a person with your face was in a particular place at a particular time.