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June was hottest month ever recorded on Earth

129 points by nicolaslem 7y ago

Fellshard 7y ago
It seems very vital to specify when records began to better understand the range of time being discussed.
- Eric_WVGG 7y ago
  Fair enough. C3S has been tracking since 1981, but they've also released a chart using "other sources" that tracks back to 1880. https://climate.copernicus.eu/record-breaking-temperatures-june https://climate.copernicus.eu/record-breaking-temperatures-j...
  - btilly 7y ago
    And https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/GlobalWarming/page3.php https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/GlobalWarming/pag... gives attempts to extrapolate back farther.
  - techrich 7y ago
    Like all good models, you just keep tweaking the numbers until you get the result you want!
    - rootsofallevil 7y ago
      I think here it's tweaking the numbers until they match up with the observed data, as flawed as that may be, but hey whatever floats your boat.
      - pintxo 7y ago
        All models are wrong, but some are useful.
  - Fellshard 7y ago
    Now this is a far more useful source than the opening post. Thanks for the concrete data.
- alex_anglin 7y ago
  Obligatory xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/1732/
  - Fellshard 7y ago
    Recorded, not extrapolated.
- throwaway5752 7y ago
  No it isn't. Nobody thinks, "even hotter than Hadean??" It is explicit in the headline this is in the context of modern recordkeeping: hottest month ever recorded. This is a distracting argument and doesn't add any value. If you read the article, it's clear that it's at least the last hundred years, and, "this study shows that temperature records haven’t just been broken. They have been obliterated"
seattlebanana 7y ago
My partner and I are going through some anxiety thinking about all of this. We are not having children because of climate change, and are hoping that our friends and family will follow suit. We have decided against any further air travel, given our cats to a friend, and even had some grim conversations about what to do when we are too old to be effective. I don't know how we can't beat this without removing capitalism or a drastic change and reduction in the lifestyle a lot of the West lives on. When will we hit our breaking point and just say so to the lifestyles that depend on colonialism and exploitation which thrash our planet.
- dessant 7y ago
  Oh sweet pea, don't forbid yourselves from having children because of climate change. :( Your family can still live a conscious life, and you get to rise the most awesome climate change fighters the world has ever seen!
  - brightball 7y ago
    Agreed. I don’t understand the mindset of not having kids because of climate change. You’re just removing people who will grow up to better protect the planet while others who won’t continue on. When I hear things like that, it sounds to me like giving up and preparing for the end. And at the same time I take that with what seems like numerous different acts of messaging directed towards guilting people into not having families...and I can’t help but wonder if that message is benign or malicious.
    - Daishiman 7y ago
      If statically speaking, preparing for the end is the sanest course of action because it does appear to be the most likely scenario within the next 50 years, why wouldn't it be the right mindset?
      - brightball 7y ago
        Because if it doesn’t happen then what have you gained? If it does happen than what have you lost? It just rings like all of the people claiming “end times” for hundreds of years. But more specifically, is everybody on earth getting the same message? If not...why?
skrowl 7y ago
"June was hottest month ever recorded on Earth after we did 'adjustments' to data to remove the Medieval warm period" was probably too long of a title https://realclimatescience.com/2018/12/erasing-the-medieval-warm-period/ https://realclimatescience.com/2018/12/erasing-the-medieval-...
- mempko 7y ago
  The medieval warming period was isolated to the upper Atlantic and not global. The earth is much hotter globally than that time. Also, realclimatescience is a denial blog. I mean look at all that lovely political commentary.
  - SiempreViernes 7y ago
    Probably not a coincidence that they have such a similar name as the much older blog realclimate.org, that features actual science.
    - mempko 7y ago
      realclimate.org is great. Yes, not to be confused with a real resource with great discussions.
- Daishiman 7y ago
  A BS article for a BS conspiracy blog that reactively attacks any potential point of current climate science. Just stop, please. Every possible attack they post there just gets overshadowed by the titanic obviousness of climate change. They attack the collapse of the ice sheets by claiming that Antarctic sea ice coverage increased. Now that's no longer happening. Crickets. They attack the cause of Antarctic sea ice collapse by claming that temperature flux changes in the Antarctic bed are caused by geothermal activity. Scientists investigate, adjust for this variable, and it's still the fact that the brutal increases in atmospheric and ocean temperature are the cause for the collapse. Crickets. This isn't how honest science works.
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UglyToad 7y ago
Genuine question, I wasn't sure after reading the article whether this was the hottest June ever recorded or the hottest of any month ever recorded?
- danieldk 7y ago
  I didn't read the article, because of a gazillion analytics trackers and popups. But the source is clear: Data released today show that the European-average temperature for June 2019 was higher than for any other June on record. [...] Data provided by the Copernicus Climate Change Service (C3S), implemented by the European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts on behalf of the European Union, show that the global-average temperature for June 2019 was also the highest on record for the month. It was about 0.1°C higher than that of the previous warmest June, in 2016, following a strong El Niño event. https://climate.copernicus.eu/record-breaking-temperatures-june https://climate.copernicus.eu/record-breaking-temperatures-j... Ps. could the link be changed to the source?
williesleg 7y ago
I'm just gonna have to kill the cows and their farts. Btw it's the coldest ever in NY, CA and Mexico.
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martincollignon 7y ago
Want to make a difference on climate change as a technologist? Feel free to join these communities actively looking for support and with ongoing projects (that are alive): - https://climateaction.tech/ https://climateaction.tech/ - https://techimpactmakers.com/ https://techimpactmakers.com/ - https://www.tmrow.com/ https://www.tmrow.com/
- stunt 7y ago
  Well done. It seems your comment was quite positive. I've visited these communities and saw a lot of new members just joined, saying that they have found the community via an HN thread.
  - martincollignon 7y ago
    Thanks!

129 points by nicolaslem 7y ago

Fellshard 7y ago

It seems very vital to specify when records began to better understand the range of time being discussed.

Eric_WVGG 7y ago
Fair enough. C3S has been tracking since 1981, but they've also released a chart using "other sources" that tracks back to 1880. https://climate.copernicus.eu/record-breaking-temperatures-june https://climate.copernicus.eu/record-breaking-temperatures-j...
- btilly 7y ago
  And https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/GlobalWarming/page3.php https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/GlobalWarming/pag... gives attempts to extrapolate back farther.
- techrich 7y ago
  Like all good models, you just keep tweaking the numbers until you get the result you want!
  - rootsofallevil 7y ago
    I think here it's tweaking the numbers until they match up with the observed data, as flawed as that may be, but hey whatever floats your boat.
    - pintxo 7y ago
      All models are wrong, but some are useful.
- Fellshard 7y ago
  Now this is a far more useful source than the opening post. Thanks for the concrete data.
alex_anglin 7y ago
Obligatory xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/1732/
- Fellshard 7y ago
  Recorded, not extrapolated.
throwaway5752 7y ago
No it isn't. Nobody thinks, "even hotter than Hadean??" It is explicit in the headline this is in the context of modern recordkeeping: hottest month ever recorded. This is a distracting argument and doesn't add any value. If you read the article, it's clear that it's at least the last hundred years, and, "this study shows that temperature records haven’t just been broken. They have been obliterated"

seattlebanana 7y ago

My partner and I are going through some anxiety thinking about all of this. We are not having children because of climate change, and are hoping that our friends and family will follow suit. We have decided against any further air travel, given our cats to a friend, and even had some grim conversations about what to do when we are too old to be effective. I don't know how we can't beat this without removing capitalism or a drastic change and reduction in the lifestyle a lot of the West lives on. When will we hit our breaking point and just say so to the lifestyles that depend on colonialism and exploitation which thrash our planet.

dessant 7y ago
Oh sweet pea, don't forbid yourselves from having children because of climate change. :( Your family can still live a conscious life, and you get to rise the most awesome climate change fighters the world has ever seen!
- brightball 7y ago
  Agreed. I don’t understand the mindset of not having kids because of climate change. You’re just removing people who will grow up to better protect the planet while others who won’t continue on. When I hear things like that, it sounds to me like giving up and preparing for the end. And at the same time I take that with what seems like numerous different acts of messaging directed towards guilting people into not having families...and I can’t help but wonder if that message is benign or malicious.
  - Daishiman 7y ago
    If statically speaking, preparing for the end is the sanest course of action because it does appear to be the most likely scenario within the next 50 years, why wouldn't it be the right mindset?
    - brightball 7y ago
      Because if it doesn’t happen then what have you gained? If it does happen than what have you lost? It just rings like all of the people claiming “end times” for hundreds of years. But more specifically, is everybody on earth getting the same message? If not...why?

skrowl 7y ago

"June was hottest month ever recorded on Earth after we did 'adjustments' to data to remove the Medieval warm period" was probably too long of a title https://realclimatescience.com/2018/12/erasing-the-medieval-warm-period/ https://realclimatescience.com/2018/12/erasing-the-medieval-...

mempko 7y ago
The medieval warming period was isolated to the upper Atlantic and not global. The earth is much hotter globally than that time. Also, realclimatescience is a denial blog. I mean look at all that lovely political commentary.
- SiempreViernes 7y ago
  Probably not a coincidence that they have such a similar name as the much older blog realclimate.org, that features actual science.
  - mempko 7y ago
    realclimate.org is great. Yes, not to be confused with a real resource with great discussions.
Daishiman 7y ago
A BS article for a BS conspiracy blog that reactively attacks any potential point of current climate science. Just stop, please. Every possible attack they post there just gets overshadowed by the titanic obviousness of climate change. They attack the collapse of the ice sheets by claiming that Antarctic sea ice coverage increased. Now that's no longer happening. Crickets. They attack the cause of Antarctic sea ice collapse by claming that temperature flux changes in the Antarctic bed are caused by geothermal activity. Scientists investigate, adjust for this variable, and it's still the fact that the brutal increases in atmospheric and ocean temperature are the cause for the collapse. Crickets. This isn't how honest science works.
- 7y ago

UglyToad 7y ago

Genuine question, I wasn't sure after reading the article whether this was the hottest June ever recorded or the hottest of any month ever recorded?

danieldk 7y ago
I didn't read the article, because of a gazillion analytics trackers and popups. But the source is clear: Data released today show that the European-average temperature for June 2019 was higher than for any other June on record. [...] Data provided by the Copernicus Climate Change Service (C3S), implemented by the European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts on behalf of the European Union, show that the global-average temperature for June 2019 was also the highest on record for the month. It was about 0.1°C higher than that of the previous warmest June, in 2016, following a strong El Niño event. https://climate.copernicus.eu/record-breaking-temperatures-june https://climate.copernicus.eu/record-breaking-temperatures-j... Ps. could the link be changed to the source?

williesleg 7y ago

I'm just gonna have to kill the cows and their farts. Btw it's the coldest ever in NY, CA and Mexico.

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martincollignon 7y ago

Want to make a difference on climate change as a technologist? Feel free to join these communities actively looking for support and with ongoing projects (that are alive): - https://climateaction.tech/ https://climateaction.tech/ - https://techimpactmakers.com/ https://techimpactmakers.com/ - https://www.tmrow.com/ https://www.tmrow.com/

stunt 7y ago
Well done. It seems your comment was quite positive. I've visited these communities and saw a lot of new members just joined, saying that they have found the community via an HN thread.
- martincollignon 7y ago
  Thanks!