4 ms·
I think this is a positive thing. People who don't give up usually end up where they aren't supposed to, with peers who are simply better. Not to say they are t
by nurettin 7y ago
I think this is a positive thing. People who don't give up usually end up where they aren't supposed to, with peers who are simply better. Not to say they are totally useless, but they wouldn't have made the cut without their drive, which just means they pushed themselves above their limits to achieve something they shouldn't have. Now they are occupying space more deserving people could have been.
Is that the wise thing to do? Looking at you guys.
- imesh 7y agoI think there are very few subjects where natural talent will be more productive than drive and work ethic. Not sure how you could test or prove something like this though.
- SkyBelow 7y agoIt would depend on how you define natural talent. A certain level of natural talent is absolutely necessary, but that level of natural talent is found in the majority of people. If you don't consider that natural talent and only consider some specific level above the baseline as qualifying, then the impact of natural talent verses hard work is much lower.
- saagarjha 7y agoI like being around people who are better than me :(
- luckydata 7y agoSounds like the mentality of a loser. Nobody that has ever done anything meaningful in their lives think this way.
- dllthomas 7y agoWhy isn't drive itself a part of who deserves what?
- nurettin 7y agoit is, the drive to make it to finals and win is valuable, the drive to fail and try again, is it wise is what I am asking for the given reasons above.
- dllthomas 7y agoYou said "Now they are occupying space more deserving people could have been." If drive is itself deserving, what makes those other people "more deserving"? Is your claim simply that we overweight it?
- deogeo 7y ago> pushed themselves above their limits to achieve something they shouldn't have So, learning and practice? Or how do you distinguish between what someone should and shouldn't be able to achieve?
- GuiA 7y agoYour reasoning assumes that there is a binary fitness function (either you are fit for the role or you aren’t), which remains constant over time, which can be overridden through not giving up. That all seems very flawed and reductionist.
- marcescence 7y ago> end up where they aren't supposed to Who decides where someone is "supposed to" end up?
- rmah 7y agoNow they [those who kept competing] are occupying space more deserving people could have been. Um, how are people who give up earlier more deserving? My read (could be wrong) of what you wrote is that you may value potential/innate talent more than achievement/work. Which you are, of course, free to do. Personally, I value achievement/work over potential/innate talent.
- jandrewrogers 7y agoNo one becomes a top performer at anything without relentlessly pushing themselves outside their comfort zone and failing frequently.
- twic 7y agoI read a study a while ago (didn't pinboard it, sorry) by an engineering professional society on why women who do engineering degrees don't go on to work as engineers. For some, it was obstacles: sexist colleagues, unsuitable workplaces, etc. But for the majority, it was because they didn't want to be an engineer: they used their degree in engineering as a springboard into things like starting their own companies or being investment bankers. Which rather implies that men who get degrees in engineering tend to carry on into working in engineering because they lack the imagination to do something else.
- SkyBelow 7y ago>because they lack the imagination to do something else What about the option that they really want to do engineering.
- xj9 7y agonobody enjoys STEM work, people are in it for the money.
- malandrew 7y agoI enjoy STEM work. Way more satisfying that most endeavors.
- SkyBelow 7y agoI would have to very much disagree. There are parts I do not enjoy but those are more office related regardless if the work is STEM or not. I do like the money, but I do STEM stuff for fun and many my side projects eat money, not produce it.
- andreilys 7y agoI also enjoy STEM work and would continue to do it even if it was low-paying. Also I get a ton of joy from STEM-based personal projects that wouldn't be possible if I didn't level up my skills through work and play
- 7y ago
- malandrew 7y agoIt's not always the case that there is limited room at the top of some endeavor. It is possible to grow the size of the pie in most cases.