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$499 AMD Ryzen 9 3900X Almost as Fast as $2000 Intel Core I9-9980XE
- boyadjian 7y agoMy next CPU will be an AMD.
- kinleyd 7y agoMine too. I'm giving my current rig another two years.
- ryacko 7y agoIs the socket really zero insertion force? I've always been planning on buying an AMD CPU after dealing with an Intel processor.
- MrRadar 7y agoYes, as long as the pins are properly aligned it should literally drop in.
- theandrewbailey 7y agoYes. I remember my 1800X making a "thunk" sound[0] when it dropped into the socket. It requires as much insertion force as water into a cup. [0] https://youtu.be/QdNISYm0w-U?t=756 https://youtu.be/QdNISYm0w-U?t=756
- ryacko 7y agoIf AMD advertised that their CPUs can be installed gingerly as opposed to Intel which felt like thirty pounds of pressure was required, then I would have opted for the older, but AMD chip. Had a false impression from all the PC part guides that somehow each were equal difficulty.
- theandrewbailey 7y agoMost AMD heatsinks use a clip retention mechanism, which definitely require significant force. Aside: at least new CPUs have heatspreaders. The first heatsink I installed was on an Athlon XP 2500+. Those things had the bare die exposed! Do it wrong the first time, and you had an expensive tiny brick.
- Nexxxeh 7y agoRetro tip - copper shim.
- toast0 7y agoI've installed a couple of the Intel LGA CPUs, and I don't remember there being that much force required to put the lever down; although it's a bit less comfortable than the traditional ZIF. Speculation is that ZIF sockets are harder to ruin in manufacturing and shipping than all the pins in LGA sockets, allowing AMD to have more confidence in the supply chain. For higher end chips, like ThreadRipper and Epyc, AMD uses LGA like Intel -- the pin count is too high not to.
- bitwize 7y agoYes. Typically you lift the lever on the side of the socket, drop the CPU in, and then lower the lever. The lever causes the holes in the socket to tighten, clamping down on the pins in the chip, holding it in place. ZIF sockets have been a part of PC builds and a feature of motherboards since at least the early-mid 90s.
- numpad0 7y agoCan’t recall a CPU socket that isn’t lever locked ZIF since Coppermine...
- VectorLock 7y agoDo the Ryzen CPUs actually have pins?
- dave7 7y agoYes.
- Koshkin 7y agoi5-9400F looks amazing though. Powerful and cheap.
- MrMember 7y agoI put a 2700X in my most recent desktop and a 2400G in my HTPC. For the price they can't be beat.
- sureste 7y agoAre you gaming with the 2700X by chance? How is it?
- iaml 7y agoNot GP, but gaming on 2700x+1070ti w/ 144hz 1440p monitor. It's suboptimal, but usually I can play games on high/ultra settings ~60fps or full 144 on low-medium. Not having any problems with VR either.
- WrtCdEvrydy 7y ago> 1070ti LOL, cries in RX580 at 60hz on 1080p.
- vkaku 7y agoI am doing that. I can play most games very well, including Battlefield, even though it isn't optimized for more than 6 overall threads. Never had a real issue so far.
- madlynormal 7y agoI game with a 2600x / 2080ti @ 1440p/165hz, on average I see 150 FPS in Apex Legends. Not an optimal setup, but not too shabby either. Planning on upgrading to the 3900x once it's released.
- noir_lord 7y agoI game with my 2700X/RTx2080 and it’s phenomenal, Battlefield 5 is gorgeous in 4K (though I have to drop to 1440 if I enable RT and ultra settings, that’s the GPU though not the cpu). It’s so good I’m probably going to defer my upgrade for Zen 2 til Zen 2+ or whatever it’s called.
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- nvahalik 7y agoI bought a Ryzen 7 1700X and have been running Ubuntu on it for over a month now. It's insanely fast. (32 GB Ram, 1 TB Samsung EVO 970 nvme, Radeon 580)... I've even been able to overclock it some (3.4Ghz base speed -> 3.77 Ghz). Although I added some additional cooling and I think I could reasonably get 4Ghz out of it. I miss several of my core daily-driving Mac apps (Querious, MailMate, and Messages) but for ~$1,300... it's hard to beat!
- WrtCdEvrydy 7y agoYou can run Mac under AMD (compatibility's not too bad now)
- Wowfunhappy 7y agoThis requires a custom kernel though. I wouldn’t reccomend that route for a Hackintosh system.
- shortformblog 7y agoYou could do it via KVM-based virtualization without a ton of trouble.
- HeWhoLurksLate 7y agoBeen there, done that, would recommend.
- thelittleone 7y agoThis is interesting. Any recommended project links so I can read more?
- Wowfunhappy 7y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20222492 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20222492
- CapricornNoble 7y agoI'm been thinking of building a low-end AMD APU system solely for Windows gaming (all of my computers except an old Panasonic CF-19 are running Kubuntu). Even the Ryzen 3 2200G can handle almost any game I'm likely to throw at it.
- Baeocystin 7y agoI picked up a Ryzen 5 laptop last month (great sale at Costco, needed a new cheap machine) and I'm shocked at how well it performs, in both compute and GPU. It's not my desktop's GTX1080, but it can play anything I've thrown at it without needing an additional discrete chip like my older Intel/Nvidia machine.
- craftyguy 7y agoMy next CPU will hopefully be RISC-V.
- dk1138 7y agoEven wider price gap when you account for taxes. Crazy.
- mikece 7y agoAny chance Apple will ever consider AMD chips for the MacBook Pro or any of their computers. I have to wonder how much of the $4k+ I just spent on my MacBook Pro went to pay for the Intel 8-core CPU...
- jayflux 7y agoIts unlikely and I wouldn't hold your breath. If Apple eventually move to their own CPUs (same as what they use for iPhone/iPad etc) then they'll spend time working on that instead. If it means sticking with Intel for another 2 years or whatever until its ready then its worth it for them. Switching to AMD wouldn't make sense if its only short-term and not in their endgame.
- MuffinFlavored 7y agoDo you think Apple was "dumb" to "fragment" their OS market even further? I know they are working on getting apps running on iOS + Mac OS by using the same APIs/libraries, but now iPad OS is a third instance of what I'm guessing is mostly the same kernel / libraries?
- jsgo 7y agoeh, I think it is fine, maybe even necessary. iOS was looking a bit odd with the release of iPhone X as you now started having splintering at least initially (I'm not sure when it happened, but my older iPad started getting iPhone X-esque swipe down gestures for command center and notifications which was a nice touch). iPadOS looks to be iOS with extra add in features and it was kind of needed if they're going for the PC replacement angle now. I'm glad that my new iPad is getting (has, via beta) mouse support. I don't see any value in my iPhone X having it though (unless there were some kind of meaningful reason for docking), so it'd seem to be bloat at that point.
- Wowfunhappy 7y agoI thought both iPhone and iPad had mouse support now? And, it’s tucked away in the accessibility menu, so clearly not intended for general use, at least for now.
- polskibus 7y agoHow come techquila is publishing benchmark results while noone else is? Is this a controlled leak or a publisher that broke the rules?
- colechristensen 7y agoAny independent verification here or runs of different test suites? There are many ways to put your finger on the scale for this kind of test (say, inadequate cooling on the intel part) Or could it be PCI-E 4.0 significantly increasing the performance?
- molticrystal 7y agoOut of curiosity, has anybody had anything in the AMD Ryzen instruction set missing that required you to purchase an Intel 9xxx instead? Any significant differences in regards to scientific applications or machine learning?
- mpfundstein 7y agoAlso interested in this
- bcaa7f3a8bbc 7y ago+1. I've heard some optimizations in scientific computing (e.g. Gaussian 16, from someone who does chemistry) is not available without AVX, but I'm not a practitioner of scientific computing, and know nothing about the current situation. Could anyone share your experience? Also, what is the performance figure of multimedia/encoding performance?
- wmf 7y agoThe rr debugger had problems with Ryzen. AMD doesn't have AVX512 but that's more of a performance difference; code shouldn't be written to require it.
- pella 7y agoin ZEN2: "The key highlight improvement for floating point performance is full AVX2 support. AMD has increased the execution unit width from 128-bit to 256-bit, allowing for single-cycle AVX2 calculations, rather than cracking the calculation into two instructions and two cycles. This is enhanced by giving 256-bit loads and stores, so the FMA units can be continuously fed. AMD states that due to its energy aware scheduling, there is no predefined frequency drop when using AVX2 instructions (however frequency may be reduced dependent on temperature and voltage requirements, but that’s automatic regardless of instructions used)" "In the floating point unit, the queues accept up to four micro-ops per cycle from the dispatch unit which feed into a 160-entry physical register file. This moves into four execution units, which can be fed with 256b data in the load and store mechanism. Other tweaks have been made to the FMA units than beyond doubling the size – AMD states that they have increased raw performance in memory allocations, for repetitive physics calculations, and certain audio processing techniques. Another key update is decreasing the FP multiplication latency from 4 cycles to 3 cycles. That is quite a significant improvement. AMD has stated that it is keeping a lot of the detail under wraps, as it wants to present it at Hot Chips is August. We’ll be running a full instruction analysis for our reviews on July 7th." https://www.anandtech.com/print/14525/amd-zen-2-microarchitecture-analysis-ryzen-3000-and-epyc-rome https://www.anandtech.com/print/14525/amd-zen-2-microarchite... > Any significant differences in regards to scientific applications or machine learning? The PCIe4.0 is good for Data Science ( NVMe Disk / GPU machine learning ) "Corsair MP600 SSDs will offer up to 4950 MB/s sequential read speed as well as up to 4250 MB/s sequential write speed when used with a PCIe 4.0 x4 interface, which is substantially faster when compared to modern PCIe 3.0 x4 drives." https://www.anandtech.com/show/14584/corsair-mp600-pcie-4-ssd-available-for-preorder-2tb https://www.anandtech.com/show/14584/corsair-mp600-pcie-4-ss...
- tapirl 7y agoI just assembled a new computer: amd 2200g ($90) + MSI B450M MORTAR ($90) + Intel 512GB SSD M.2 ($68) + 4 x 16G 2666 memory (4 x $72). I installed the debian testing system. After the installation, X hung at starting up. But after installing amdgpu driver by following this tutorial: https://wiki.debian.org/How%20to%20install%20official%20AMDGPU%20linux%20driver%20with%20kernel%204.19.x%20on%20Stretch%20and%20Buster https://wiki.debian.org/How%20to%20install%20official%20AMDG... , it works like a charming now.
- 0x5002 7y agoDo you happen to know if cpu and case fan controls work on Debian on your machine? I have a server with a very similar setup, but cannot control the fans. ~ sensors No sensors found!
- keanebean86 7y agoI saw this a few days ago. I dont think it will fix your specific issue but if you're wanting to monitors temps there's this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/c2lgeg/linux_monitoring_software_for_amd_zen/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/c2lgeg/linux_monitorin... I've not tested with my 2200g yet.
- HansHamster 7y agoI had to install the out of tree version of it87 to get fan control working on my ASUS Prime X370-Pro. Unfortunately, the driver was abandoned last year, but copies of the code are still around on github.
- tapirl 7y agoThe sensors command returns the following info: $ sensors amdgpu-pci-3800 Adapter: PCI adapter vddgfx: N/A vddnb: N/A temp1: +36.0°C (crit = +80.0°C, hyst = +0.0°C) k10temp-pci-00c3 Adapter: PCI adapter Tdie: +36.5°C (high = +70.0°C) Tctl: +36.5°C I don't know how to detect fan temperatures.
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- fortran77 7y ago_almost_. We always pay dearly for that last few points of performance! (Intel is 4% better, comparing the multi-core number)
- zamadatix 7y agoIn September the stars should align when the 16 core part drops (4 more cores) for still less than half the price of the 9980XE.
- deforciant 7y agoMy ryzen 2700x was probably the best purchase I did last year :) it's just fantastic and I would really want to try out these new CPUs, just can't find an excuse to buy them :) Takes like a second to cross compile Go app for all architectures, many cores ftw!
- noir_lord 7y agoSame boat, bought 2700X as stop gap because couldn’t wait for Zen 2 and it’s so damn good I can’t find a reason to upgrade to a 3900X or 3950
- holy_city 7y agoTake with a grain of salt. Comparing a single benchmark against an aggregate isn't particularly meaningful (although getting within a stone's throw definitely is). You can go through and cherry pick benchmarks and find plenty that obliterate that measurement. Better article title would be, "3900x appears comparable to 9980XE in single threaded workloads."
- walshemj 7y agoBut single treaded was really the only area Intel used to have a lead in - which is interesting
- vbezhenar 7y agoThose nanometers are not just numbers. TSMC 7nm is ahead of Intel's 14nm. It's not really surprising. Even if AMD can't catch up with frequencies, they have more transistors, so they can increase many things. Better comparison would be with 10nm Intel, but Intel failed there, so I expect AMD to lead until Intel will release mainstream 7nm CPUs.
- arcticbull 7y agoThe 3900X already crushes in multi-threaded. That stone-throw multi-core result result is 12 AMD cores on vs 18 Intel cores. That's 50% more cores and 300% more cost for basically the same results. Single-threaded is the only thing Intel's been touting as they get steamrolled. This is particularly important because a big market for this class of CPU is desktop gamers and for better or worse games tend not to be particularly well multi-threaded so single-core performance is king in that market. Obviously this will change over time as engines continue to adapt. To your point though it's better to look at an overall trend of AMD vs Intel over the last couple of years, and that's equally devastating.
- holy_city 7y agoWhat I mean is that it's a sample size of 1. I can go through the 9980xe results and cherry pick a dozen iterations that crush this single sample. Even looking at the leaked 3600 benchmarks listed on Geekbench and there's some pretty gnarly variance. The benchmarks are extremely promising, and I'm likely going to be an AMD customer in a month, but these articles are not grounded in statistical significance. Wait until the embargo is lifted before posting stuff like this, imo.
- esmi 7y agoThis is comparing an unreleased CPU to a two year old one. But more importantly, it gives no information on how the Intel CPU was configured and we have no idea what kind of memory it was paired with. It's just comparing two random user submissions. Here's another i9-9980XE where Intel scored 7700 in single core. https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/12111208 https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/12111208
- zamadatix 7y ago> This is comparing an unreleased CPU It comes out in 10 days, does it really matter? > to a two year old one. The 9980XE launched Q4 2018, did you mean 2 quarter old? This also seems to imply Intel has something else better is due for release in the next year, there is nothing on the roadmap. > It's just comparing two random user submissions. Here's another i9-9980XE where Intel scored 7700 in single core. Because that's an extreme OC bench at +800 MHz and this was a stock run. Check the .gb4
- craftyguy 7y ago> It comes out in 10 days, does it really matter? Yea it does, because no one in the public can reproduce the results to verify them.
- shereadsthenews 7y agoThe 9980XE is just a really large/fast Skylake CPU. Skylake is years old. If you wanted this level of performance from Intel you could have ordered the Xeon Gold 6154 way back in 2017. It seems fair to call this a 2-year-old part. A more comparable part would be the i9-9980HK.
- leetcrew 7y ago> A more comparable part would be the i9-9980HK not really, that's an eight core CPU (and also a mobile part). I'm very interested to see how the lower core count Ryzen 2s compare to their Intel counterparts in single-thread, but part of what's so impressive about the (early) 3900X/3950X results is that they offer this kind of performance with more cores and at a consumer-friendly price point. you're right that Skylake is an old design at this point, but intel invites this kind of comparison when they can't manage to ship an HCC version of their latest tech. entirely fair, imo.
- gdy 7y agoNever bought an Intel CPU after learning about their illegal anti-competetive deals with OEMs. It's been probably 15 years with AMD CPUs. Happy to see AMD on top once again.
- scotty79 7y agoNever bought Intel CPU for a desktop after Pentium 133MHz that powered my first PC. I always considered Intel for my builds but AMD always came out as best bang for buck in my price range in the end and I had no way of justifying use of Intel CPU.
- beatgammit 7y agoI bought one in my last laptop, by that was over 5 years ago. There just hasn't a good selection of decent AMD-based laptops out there, though that situation is finally getting better (excited about Lenovo offering AMD-based Thinkpad T-series, though I'll probably buy an A or E series for now). In fact, I think the only time I've purchased Intel has been for laptops (except renting through VPS providers). If you don't particularly care about power, they've dominated the low end for years, and now with Ryzen, they're dominating pretty much everything including power (provided you need something more than Intel graphics). I'm excited for real competition vs Intel on power from AMD, and I hope this little boost helps them continue to compete when Intel eventually catches up.
- acollins1331 7y agoYeah but I can't find a motherboard and RAM that won't hardware reserve half my memory without RMAing 4 iterations of each.
- mrb 7y agoThis was expected because the 3900X is optimized for fewer faster cores (12 at 3.8GHz) while the 9980XE is optimized for more slower cores (18 at 3.0GHz.) A better and far more impressive comparison would be the 3950X vs 9980XE which have comparable number of cores (16 vs 18). And in that instance AMD still beats Intel in both single-threaded and multi-threaded workloads! And by wide margins! And with AMD being 62% cheaper ($750 vs $1950)! And with AMD's TDP 36% lower (105 vs 165W)! And despite having 2 fewer cores! And despite the 3950X engineering sample below being clocked under final specs (3.29GHz vs 3.5GHz)! See this leaked 3950X engineering sample codenamed "Myrtle": https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/compare/13612629?baseline=13495867 https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/compare/13612629?baseli... Intel has never been so thoroughly defeated since the 1999 K7. Interesting times...
- pkaye 7y agoAlso doesn't Intel have a lot more known security flaws?
- IshKebab 7y agoOne more, assuming you mean meltdown. But that's the easy one to fix.
- old-gregg 7y agoNot true. Copy-pasting from my Ryzen terminal: $ spectre-meltdown-checker | grep "NOT VULNERABLE" | wc -l 12
- butteroverflow 7y agoSo? The same script reports 11 lines on my 4 year old Haswell. It should read as "mitigated or not vulnerable" instead of simply "not vulnerable". Edit: oh wait, it's actually 12 lines, the same as on your system. The reason it reported 11 on the first run is because KPTI has been disabled manually here.
- JaimeThompson 7y agoDoes anyone know which of the new Ryzen motherboards support PCIe bifurcation?
- Medicalidiot 7y agoRyzen is an incredible processor. I'm still happily running my 1700 like the champ it is.