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There are a lot of sites that are totally unusable on Firefox regardless how much you use ff. I do all my mobile browsing on FF yet when I try to use some webs
by superasn 7y ago
There are a lot of sites that are totally unusable on Firefox regardless how much you use ff.
I do all my mobile browsing on FF yet when I try to use some websites I always get this Recaptcha failed error(1) while it works flawlessly on chrome though I never use it often. Try it, maybe it will happen for you too.
Same happens on most sites which show you that "checking your browser" page via cloudflare too.
The web is very unusable unless you're using chrome because of such antics.
(1) https://cdn3.imggmi.com/uploads/2019/6/27/0dd96b25707ce6e236b9bfbdf3f3c82e-full.jpg https://cdn3.imggmi.com/uploads/2019/6/27/0dd96b25707ce6e236...
- pergadad 7y agoI have the same experience, some pages don't work on FF but fine on Chrome. I like to apply Occam's Razor, but with so many users it seems to me as if that's either by design, or certainly there is little desire to fix the issue.
- superasn 7y agoWorst part is my chrome installation is 100% fresh with no browsing history and FF has cookies and history older than an year ago.. still google trusts Chrome more than FF?
- antsar 7y agoTo be fair, its not super-hard to follow the incentives there...
- SquareWheel 7y agoreCaptcha isn't able to read your non-Google cookies or history, so most of that isn't being considered.
- ceejayoz 7y agoI was under the impression sites using Google Analytics were included as a reCaptcha signal.
- SquareWheel 7y agoThe signals aren't documented (for obvious reasons), but I'd be surprised if Google Analytics were a signal. These things are usually kept separate, and Analytics is a lot less user-specific under GDPR as the anonymizeIP flag is now very common. That said, I've no evidence one way or the other! My understanding is that it comes down to information they can read about your browser (does this look like a bot environment?), and heuristically how the user has behaved since the JS has been loaded (mouse movements, time between actions, etc).
- megous 7y agohttps://codelabs.developers.google.com/codelabs/reCAPTCHA/index.html#3 https://codelabs.developers.google.com/codelabs/reCAPTCHA/in... Yeah, no. It certainly can read non-google cookies on the page (not httpOnly cookies, though).
- SquareWheel 7y agoI'm not sure what the link is meant to show, but "cookies on the page" is very different than the years worth of user history and cookies that GP mentioned.
- dmix 7y agoIf they looked for identifying information in cookies or browsing history people would be even more upset and spammers would just simulate it with browser bots... which is why I believe it takes a black box approach to each detection regardless of external state. Besides obviously the cookies set within the iframe of the recatcha. This of course doesn’t help explain why Firefox is so heavily targeted by what’s supposed to be a neutral utility like Google Analytics...
- kohtatsu 7y agoI've heard that being signed into your Google account can make the challenges simpler, presumably reducing things like the noise and the slow-fade load animations.
- dmix 7y agoThat too could be isolated to a single reCAPTCHA session, keeping within the scope of a single iframe or page load. The idea of tracking your history across multiple reCAPTCHA loads across multiple domains to build a user profile is what sounds like a giant privacy red flag, even though it's entirely possible given the current implementation. Additionally asking hosts to include JS directly onto their domain which sets 3rd party cookies/data across every page in addition to tracking referring domains is equally a bad idea. reCAPTCHA 2/3 does require loading 3rd party JS directly on page, which I'd imagine is necessary to create callbacks in the frontend upon verification (as iframe content messaging is very awkward): https://developers.google.com/recaptcha/docs/v3 https://developers.google.com/recaptcha/docs/v3 Ideally the JS simply loads an iframe of the captcha HTML and handles the callbacks from events in the iframe. That's it. It shouldn't be touching anything else on your website. I'd be curious to see a reverse engineering to see how much the JS really does...
- tracker1 7y agoI know if I was running a mechanical turk or bot farm, I'd be using a Chrome user agent via puppeteer. I'm not sure WTF they are doing other than being malicious against non-chrome.
- ulfw 7y agoIt's even worse when you're running a VPN (especially one of the major public ones). When I see reCAPTCHA I basically give up as sometimes I have to go through 6 or 7 full sets to be let into a site. It's the evil of the internet this.
- kemiller2002 7y agoThanks for verifying that for me. I thought it was just me being horrible at figuring out what they want.
- markholmes 7y agoNo, the same thing happens to me. I often run ProtonVPN + Firefox with uBlock Origin and a couple other privacy-related addons.
- oil25 7y agoreCAPTCHA on VPN is difficult, but on the Tor network, they are downright impossible. I've never been able to get past it, even after a few dozen painful attempts. That means Google services are entirely off-limits over Tor, even Search, which is a disgrace.
- nullwasamistake 7y agoSometimes Google will flag you as robot and never allow you to pass no matter how many you get right. It's total horseshit
- ramraj07 7y agoI'm assuming you are not logged into a Google account during this? What happens if you create a throwaway Google account while on Tor? Or is that also impossible?
- innot 7y agoI remember that these days google requires a phone number. Finding a throwaway number is hard, especially in some countries.
- quickthrower2 7y agoThat image link is protected by cloudflare too! Irony intended?
- oil25 7y agoThe sad and depressing state of the Web in 2019: proprietary third-party JavaScript and cookies are required to view a simple, innocent JPG.
- jk2faster 7y agoAnd it'll only get worse. From the article: > "If you have a Google account it’s more likely you are human" So, in the future if we don't keep signed into our google account(and let google know every article we read and every website we browse), we'll be cut off from the half of the internet or even more. The amount of control a handful of companies have over the internet is suffocating to know!
- svnpenn 7y agoI have better luck if I log into Gmail :(
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- Fogest 7y agoFunny enough I had to wait on the 5 second Cloudflare check to access that image. However I am using Chrome. That check I have found to be rather annoying. I assumed it would do it once, but it seems I have to go through it daily on sites I use regardless of which browser or device I use.
- paulcarroty 7y agoAlso Google punishes Firefox users by forcing them to click on pictures 2-3 times more than Chrome.
- 1_player 7y agoSame with Brave: I'm logged in into a gmail account and a custom domain hosted on gmail, yet every time there's a reCAPTCHA widget on the site, I have to do it 2 or 3 times before I'm let in. One trick that seems to help fool that awful piece of tech: click slowly on the images, as if you were thinking a second or two before each click. Maybe click a wrong image and deselect it again. In other words, behave like a slow human, and it seems to work better than if I solve it as quickly as possible.
- ballenf 7y agoI also have the feeling that making mistakes — selecting an image that looks like a traffic light but isn’t — sometimes results in faster admittance than being surgically accurate. Again, being slower and more error prone seems to be rewarded.
- incompatible 7y agoI don't even know what the right answer is in a lot of cases. There's a bit of the traffic light casing at the edge of a square, does that count as a traffic light, or only the lamp itself?
- qtplatypus 7y agoThe right answer isn't what it is looking for. Its more looking for the way you try and work out the answer.
- washadjeffmad 7y agoWhich I intentionally and repeatedly fail anyway, because I'm not training Google's AI so they can sell it for use in drone strikes. If this reduces the world Google allows me to access, it doesn't diminish mine because of it.
- peterlk 7y agoI prefer to see the silver lining in this. If Google wants to break the web for Firefox, fine. I'll keep using (and evangelising) FF, and the sites that are broken won't get FF traffic. I believe that FF is doing the right thing far users, and Google, while in a powerful position is currently on the losing side of history with respect to privacy. Apple is taking that fight to them, and putting budget behind inte convincing average internet users that privacy is cool, and Google abuses your privacy. The walled garden approach worked for a while for Microsoft, and it's working for now for Google, but eventually, it stops working. Once people leave, walled gardens keep them away.
- nprateem 7y agoOnly the majority of the Internet isn't a walled garden is it? It's more like a minefield because you don't know whether a site is going to use recaptcha and block/hinder your access. You can't just opt out of using half the Internet because you value privacy, and nor should you have to. This requires legislation to stop.
- guntars 7y agoAs long as government sites don’t use it, it’s fine. You don’t need legislation for every single offense, perceived or otherwise. If you don’t like ReCaptcha, block it with an ad blocker and if a site requires it, don’t use it and let them know why. Also let all your friends and random strangers on the internet know why.
- iforgotpassword 7y agoThat's odd. I never had issues with it on Firefox. Most of the time I just check the box and it's happy, sometimes I have to do an image puzzle. And that's with ublock origin. Maybe it depends on country or isp? My work place has its own /16.
- mmanfrin 7y agoKickstarter's login has not worked for me with firefox for over a year. People just don't test with anything but chrome and it shows.
- tomc1985 7y agoOther than the occasional reCAPTCHA gaslighting (which does occasionally block some service if it gates logins behind it) that we're all familiar with, I have completely excised Chrome from my life and am able to go to most any website without issue. That's with uBO and Privacy Badger running
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