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16-Inch MacBook Pro Said to Launch in September
- geophile 7y agoTo be at all interesting, this would have to have a good keyboard (as in the 2015 MBP), and an optional touchbar.
- 1_player 7y agoI'm perfectly fine with it having a touchbar, if only there was a physical ESC button.
- masklinn 7y agoI'd be perfectly fine having a touchbar if it were in addition to the f-keys.
- joosebox 7y agoSo not quite perfectly fine since no iteration of the Touch Bar has a physical ESC button?
- Someone1234 7y agoReal escape and full row of real F- keys. Just push the Touchbar above it, so we can power it down and ignore it (or run cute screensavers on it while plugged in). The whole concept makes no sense. "Don't look at the computer's screen when you work, look down at your keyboard instead!" It is like an anti-touch typing gimmick, the tagline should be "become a worse typelist today!"
- bitL 7y agoIf you want to stay sane with touch bar, buy one of those keyboard covers for non-touchbar models with ESC/Fn keys, pad the Fn keys with some pieces of rubber. Then you can have have some poor man's tactile feedback. The very latest keyboard is improvement both in sound and feel, latest CPUs are very fast, just the touchbar kills the overall impression.
- mschuster91 7y agoAgree. I'm holding out on my 2015 MBP, no way I'll upgrade to one of the crappy keyboard shitters.
- madoublet 7y agoWith the addition of iOS apps, would it be too much to ask for a touchscreen?
- a012 7y agoDo you ever consider ipad pro?
- cgriswald 7y agoEven as a (former) heavy iPad Pro user, I don't think the iPad Pro is a viable replacement for a MBP with touchscreen. My ideal MBP has a touch screen, no touch bar, the old smaller trackpad, and better keyboard, in a form factor something like a Surface Pro.
- madoublet 7y agoYes, definitely. Even with the improvements in the latest version, it still comes up way short of what you get from Windows/MacOS.
- mackey 7y agoFor what its worth, I just picked up the latest gen and the keyboard seems like a real improvement in both feel and noise. The Touch Bar still sucks, but I am happy with the keyboard.
- cs02rm0 7y agoI've got one of the latest ones too, I still think it sucks more than the 2015 ones. I used to keep them on my desk partly as screen estate, now keep the lid closed, leave it under the desk and use a bluetooth keyboard in the hope it'll survive.
- mackey 7y agoIt's definitely different than 2015 so if you require more key travel, it won't be for you. But I am pretty happy with it.
- IshKebab 7y agoI tried a recent one and it's definitely better, but still not nearly as good as the old ones.
- ratsimihah 7y agoAnd a battery that doesn't explode
- seanalltogether 7y agoI would like to have my "pro" ports back, standard usb3 alongside usbc, magnetic power plug, possibly an hdmi port. I've used the hdmi countless times over the years in unexpected situations but I guess carrying an adapter around would be ok.
- ses1984 7y agoThose features are never coming back, but you can dream.
- mciancia 7y ago> As would be expected, Lin claims the 16-inch MacBook Pro will feature a newer processor. No other details are known. Didn't they update macbook pro with latest intel CPUs like a month ago?
- dasil003 7y agoIf there’s no escape key and inverted-T arrow keys I’m cutting my losses and jumping to Linux after 30 years as a Mac owner.
- Waterluvian 7y agoI'm curious what losses there are to be cut? Isn't it as simple as just buying a different product and using that instead? It's not like my kitchen only fits Whirlpool or my garage only fits Honda.
- AbacusAvenger 7y agoPresumably the investment in MacOS applications. Switching from Mac to whatever else would require finding replacements for those.
- WoodenChair 7y agoLosses in accumulated platform knowledge, purchased software investments, and custom built tooling. No, it’s not like replacing a dishwasher!
- stephenwilliams 7y agoPossibly software and accessories that only work with macOS.
- masklinn 7y ago> I'm curious what losses there are to be cut? Isn't it as simple as just buying a different product and using that instead? Chances are they have software installed on their machine. OSX has a vibrant ecosystem of independent developer and thus a pretty large number of bespoke good-quality software which might / would have to be replaced. Especially as cross-platform software tends to integrate less than well with the platform. That goes double for older mac users, which have a higher tendency to use native software. And of course one needs the time to adapt to different paradigms, shortcuts, facilities, … once again especially for older users of the platform for whom this becomes second nature. Incidentally the points mix, the second one drives the first, I regularly notice cross-platform software which doesn't respond properly to Cocoa's text-movement shortcuts (even a simple C-a / C-e).
- spiderfarmer 7y agoIt will hopefully contain a lot of features people asked for like a better keyboard, Face ID, more connectivity, etc. And just like the Mac Pro the starting price will probably be enormous, I wouldn't be surprised if the base model is $2.5K or more. And I wouldn't have problem with that at all. My 2015 Macbook Pro has been worth every penny. I used it every day and it's still going strong. Before I bought this MBP I tried every Windows machine money can buy and I always had problems, both hardware and software. If Apple goes back to making products that are generally without problems, I'll upgrade to the newest model at launch day. The keyboard woes definitely held me back.
- spookybones 7y agoSame. I bought and returned a few PCs, including a couple of Surface Pros. I actually like the feel of the new Macbook Pro keyboard, but I'm running into too many friends with missing or stuck keys. I'm still using my 2012 retina, and it has lasted an amazingly long time. I want that kind of craftsmanship. I also, like most, really do not like the touch bar.
- Someone1234 7y agoThe Surface Pro was an impressive feat of engineering, but was never a comfortable typing experience regardless. I would say the Surface Book legitimately has a super nice keyboard though, reminds me of the pre-2015 Macbooks in good ways.
- spiderfarmer 7y agoAs for modern Windows machines, I bought a Surface Laptop for my wife and that machine holds up pretty good. But she does not use it every day like I do and only uses it for browsing, Office and remote desktopping to her work environment.
- LoudogUno 7y agoCurrently still on my maxed out late 2013 15" retina with 2.3 Ghz 16GB RAM 512GB SSD. The trackpad has ceased to work but it has come to rest on my desk with dedicated monitors, keyboard and mouse. Easily the most important enjoyable inanimate object in my life that. Oh, and still have my early 2010 15" MBP to troubleshoot, run Windows, and as a backup in case this one is out of commission for an extended period of time which has only happened once. Really appreciate the feeling that when I buy my next one I'll be able to rely on it for over half a decade. Still haven't warmed up to the keyboard and seemingly useless touchpad (although I'm sure I could find fun ways to use it)
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- projektfu 7y agoThat's an unusual screen resolution. Are there existing panels at that resolution?
- opencl 7y agoAll of Apple's laptops use unusual resolutions since they're basically the only company still doing 16:10 displays. They just order custom panels.
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- raxxorrax 7y agoIt is exactly the old 15" resolution scaled up to 16", which both are quite unusual.
- mgolawala 7y agoI am seriously hoping for a 4K panel so that you get a 2x resolution of 1920x1080 .. If they did that, they would instantly have my money.
- no1youknowz 7y ago> Korean website The Elec recently reported that Samsung was in talks with Apple about supplying OLED displays for the 16-inch MacBook Pro, but if the IHS Markit report is accurate, the notebook will have a LCD instead. Shame. I was hoping for a much better display. Of course, I won't complain too much until I see it for myself compared to my 2012 mbpr. If there isn't too much of a jump, my wallet will stay closed. Edit: I would have thought that Apple's recent push to 4K would have signalled a common push to all devices having a minimum resolution [0]. [0]: https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1557824207 https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=...
- binarymax 7y agoI'd be curious to know if Apple collects telemetry on touchbar usage. I don't use it. At all. I have it frozen to only show the equivalent physical keys that used to be there (esc and the fn keys). Does anyone use the touchbar effectively and like it? What are the chances of Apple ditching it on some models?
- jasonrhaas 7y agoI'm in the same boat. I have it frozen to use as regular keys. So basically I have the same functionality as a regular keyboard, with the caveat that sometimes the keys don't work, and there is no haptic feedback.
- argd678 7y agoI do the same thing and would also really love to know who thinks it’s in any way good. I hit it all the time by accident and suddenly in the middle of typing iTunes pops up, or an IntelleJ config window, vi sort of works but amazingly the escape touch key isn’t always sensitive enough and I have to double tap it.
- lelf 7y ago> really love to know who thinks it’s in any way good. I think it’s good. Install BetterTouchTool (or analog) and the touchbar becomes infinitely-customisable multi-touch fn-keys row. The only missing thing is any tactile feedback (although BetterTouchTool can “simulate” it using touchpad’s linear motor).
- mleo 7y agoI used to be the same. After 6 months of use and getting use to not accidentally hitting the touch bar I changed it back to the dynamic setting. That said, I still don't use it except for volume, which was part of the standard set of keys.
- epaga 7y agoI used to feel the same until I discovered BetterTouchTool which lets you completely customize it yourself, contextualized by app. This made me actually really like it. But the vanilla Touch Bar? Totally agree it’s pretty near useless or worse.
- Medicalidiot 7y agoBetter keyboard and no touch bar would cause the MBP to be the undisputed champion of laptops. I have a 2019 MBP and love absolutely everything about it minus the keyboard, thank god the 13" has an option without the touch bar.
- n1000 7y agoWill this be the first MacBook that will be thicker than its previous gen? I am hoping Apple has realised that they are at the limit of what the current MacBook Pro can do in terms of thermals. I want a laptop that doesn't have its fans spinning non-stop only because I use an external screen or Firefox instead of Safari.
- dep_b 7y agoIt would be nice if Apple would move to @3x for this Retina screen, making it a tad above 4K. Yes I would pay the Apple tax for that. Also interested in what they're going to do with the 13" one. If it gets a smaller bezel screen will it get more screen or will they shrink the machine a bit further? I'm not going to hope for changes in the keyboard or ports or the Touch Bar. So far I like the keyboard on the 2018 anyway, but connecting a camera was a bit of a hassle.
- mLuby 7y agoHere's a revolutionary idea in case Sir Jony is reading: Make it lighter and thicker. Seriously, until it's as light as a phone I don't mind if they keep shaving weight off. But there's very little to be gained by going thinner: 1. I doubt ergonomics get much better as it approaches typing on a sheet of paper 2. the risk of bending increases 3. if it's not as thin they can fit more stuff in there more cheaply: better heat management, longer lasting batteries, faster processors/more memory, stronger antennas, etc.
- LyndsySimon 7y agoThermal performance is my #1 issue with the MBP. I have a 2017 13", and it really struggles with even modest sustained loads. I often work outdoors from a hammock, and even in the shade it throttles very quickly when using Docker to spin up a local instance of an app or even tox to run its test suite. Even just web browsing quickly becomes a problem if the laptop is in direct sunlight.