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Id rather see someone become the Beyond Bread/Pasta with zero carbohydrates, that i believe would be a much bigger market.
by ThomPete 7y ago
Id rather see someone become the Beyond Bread/Pasta with zero carbohydrates, that i believe would be a much bigger market.
- fredsir 7y agoWhy zero carbohydrates?
- cpursley 7y agoCarbohydrates get quickly stored as fat if not used as energy. Carbs and sugar are the culprit behind the obesity epidemic, not meat.
- fwip 7y agoDoes anyone say that meat causes obesity?
- yourapostasy 7y agoI don't think meat per se is fingered as the cause from what I read in these and similar comment threads, but the fat that usually comes with most affordable cuts of meat, so meat gets tarred with the same brush.
- ThomPete 7y agoFat doesn't make you fat. If you only eat meat you will loose weight not gain it regardless of how much fat is in it.
- fwip 7y agoI think that's more the malnutrition causing weight loss, there.
- ThomPete 7y agoJordan Peterson and his daughter who basically only eat meat got rid of autoimmune issues. I lost the most weight when I eat only meat (including the fat) & green salads (or any non-carbohydrates) Not malnutrition at all. I
- fwip 7y agoYeah, Jordan Peterson is a fraud and a charlatan. I'm sorry you got snookered by him, but it's not too late. That all-meat diet sure isn't helping you. Your attention span didn't even last for your whole post before you got confused, hit send, and wandered off.
- chc 7y agoAFAIK anything with bioavailable calories is quickly stored as fat if not used as energy. Is that not the case?
- fredsir 7y agoAs I understand it, assuming we are talking about carbs, fats and proteins, as in their whole-food forms, not as in say a cookie, no, it's easier/quicker for your body to store say fat as fat than carbs as fat, which it will have to transform into fat first. Carbs are also loaded with water and fibers which makes digestion even slower to make this effect even better. > Carbs and sugar are the culprit behind the obesity epidemic, not meat Processed food as well as particularly overeating of delicacies like meat, cheese, eggs, fish, and oil and sugar prepared plant-foods, is the mayor culprit, I believe. Nobody got fat from eating plain potatoes, beans and apples. It's also very hard to overeat on those kinds of foods because of the high water and fiber content. People get fat by eating too much dairy, meat, eggs, and plants prepared in oils, or other highly processed plant-foods, which are easy to overeat on.
- mattnewport 7y ago> it's easier/quicker for your body to store say fat as fat than carbs as fat, which it will have to transform into fat first. It's not that simple. Dietary fat doesn't spike insulin levels and that is a primary signal to the body to store excess calories in fat cells. High carb foods tend to spike insulin but to what degree depends on the food.
- astura 7y agohttps://www.nature.com/articles/0802300 https://www.nature.com/articles/0802300 >CONCLUSIONS: Fish-eaters, vegetarians and especially vegans had lower BMI than meat-eaters. Differences in macronutrient intakes accounted for about half the difference in mean BMI between vegans and meat-eaters. High protein and low fibre intakes were the factors most strongly associated with increasing BMI.
- thrower123 7y agoCorrelation rather than causation, would be my first thought. A randoml vegan is vastly more likely to be getting regular exercise and be generally health-conscious than your randomly selected traditional diet person. This study tries to downplay non-dietary lifestyle factors, but can't help conceding that: > Vegans tended to report higher levels of physical activity; there were no clear patterns for education level across the diet groups; vegans were least likely and meat-eaters most likely to be married and almost the whole cohort reported ethnicity as white. Nulliparity was most common in the vegan women and least common in meat-eaters, with meat-eaters tending to have a greater number of children than the other diet groups. Some of these differences in lifestyle factors between the diet groups are likely to result from the disparity in median ages. So, more exercise, less marriage, fewer children, and younger age for the vegans...
- cageface 7y agoConverting carbs into fat is very ineffective, losing about 40% of the calories in the process. You can get fat just from carbs but it’s not easy. But start adding empty fat calories like oils to those carbs and you’ll store the fat directly and just burn the carbs for energy. It’s pretty hard to gain weight eating boiled potatoes but you’ll pack on pounds eating fries.
- chongli 7y agoIt’s pretty hard to gain weight eating boiled potatoes but you’ll pack on pounds eating fries. Probably has as much to do with taste as anything. Plain boiled potatoes are so bland that people would only eat them if they had no other choice.
- ThomPete 7y agoThats because you haven't had proper potatoes in their season then. In Denmark it's a national delicacy to have same day potatoes cooked or in salads. They are silky smooth, super easy to peel (you simply just rub the skin off) and are amazing with dill, creme fraîse and any meat you can think off.
- chongli 7y agoMaybe not. Maybe in Denmark you have tasty heirloom varieties. Here in North America, most of the potatoes you see in the store are white, waxy, starchy, and bland. If you're not going to fry them then you usually need copious amounts of butter and salt. Having said that, have you tried your potatoes completely plain (no fat or salt)?
- ThomPete 7y agoYes, you can even eat them raw when they are new. I live in the US now and you can easily get potatoes if you go upstate in New York where I live. The problem is that they are way too long to get to the dinner table :)
- jniedrauer 7y agoYou can already make low carb pasta dishes using zucchini and various flour replacements, and there are plenty of low carb tortilla brands.
- stronglikedan 7y agoBut none of those taste and feel like real pasta, whereas the impossible burger tastes and feels like a real burger.
- adpirz 7y agoI had some chickpea pasta from Whole Foods that at least to me, tasted as good if not better than real pasta.
- stronglikedan 7y agoThanks, I'll check it out.
- bblough 7y agoI haven't tried the chickpea pasta so I can't comment there, but my wife and I found some edamame (soy) based pasta at Costco that's not bad. It's 7 net carbs for a 2 oz serving and so far I think it's the closest thing to a regular noodle that we've had.
- projectramo 7y agoCauliflower bread. Not quite there, but its a great start to a healthier alternative.
- flick 7y agoAre you Famine [1]? 1: https://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Famine_(Good_Omens) https://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Famine_(Good_Omens)
- mattnewport 7y agoSince you can live without carbohydrates but not without protein and fat it seems like the opposite.
- fredsir 7y agoYour body will break down protein and fat into carbs if it isn't supplied with enough carbs. Your body has developed a mechanism to make carbs from other things because it needs carbs so badly. It would seem folly to think we should rely on this round-about disaster-mitigation mechanism instead of just supplying it with what it wants, which is partly carbs.
- mattnewport 7y agoThe premise of the keto diet is that the human body is adapted to function best when deriving most of its energy from fat (dietary or stored). This makes a certain amount of sense from an evolutionary perspective as regular meals with an abundance of easily digested refined carbs were not a feature of our ancestral evolutionary environment. The evidence that "fat-burning" is a healthier default is persuasive but not conclusive at this point I would say.
- bumby 7y agoI think there has been some dietary research that showed people, especially those of European ancestry, have been exposed to grains long enough to have adapted. And, like with lots of nutrition information, there's counter examples of ancestral diets comprised largely of carbohydrates. I think people need to realize there probably isn't a one-size-fits-all diet because humans are so varied genetically and well adapted to many different environments
- BOBOTWINSTON 7y agoSpaghetti Squash really surprised me. You need to figure out how to cook it right or else it gets a bit too "wet/oily", but it can really be quite amazing.
- Falling3 7y agoFor the sake of the planet and animals, I'm thrilled with the fact Beyond is focusing on animal product replacements.
- SketchySeaBeast 7y agoAs someone who enjoys meat, I'm excited to be able to finally get options that don't involve killing something to get there.
- the8472 7y agoPlants are living things. If you want to eat without killing then you'd need ab initio synthesized nutrients or subsist on detritus.
- Falling3 7y agoIf I were the parent I would've phrased that differently. But, as long as we're being pedantic, eating from plants is possible without killing the organism.
- pasta-driven 7y agoWhat is the problem with carbohydrates? If it is the refined grain part in pasta and bread, then there are already solutions: whole wheat products. Who do you thing would go for the beyond wheat products?
- i_cant_speel 7y agoThere are plenty of people who are on low/no carb diets. Keto being a notable example.
- noloblo 7y ago+1 beyond bread would be good addition to the beyond lineup
- cpursley 7y agoPeople who want to be healthy. I get fat if I even look a piece of bread or bowl of pasta. But I sure do miss the taste and would love a substitute.
- ThomPete 7y agoExactly, thats my problem especially after i stopped smoking. No carbs works really well for me and makes me loose weight.
- mattnewport 7y agoPeople who know that it is a myth that whole grains are healthy?
- evandev 7y agoAny sources to back that up?
- mattnewport 7y agoStart with unhealthy high-carb refined grains and add anti-nutrients like lectin and phytates, plus fiber that you would probably be better off getting from whole fruits and vegetables and you don't end up with something healthy. Pretty much any of the myriad resources on paleo / low-carb / grain-free diets will cover most of the reasons and point to research backing up why whole grains are not healthy. Nutrition science is a weirdly controversial topic however so for every study that points in one direction you'll find someone passionately committed to a different theory who will dig up conflicting evidence. Having read a lot on the subject over the years (and through personal experience) I'm persuaded by the evidence in favour of a low-carb, largely grain-free, high fat paleo style diet but I've largely given up trying to convince anyone who feels differently on the Internet as for whatever reason nutrition debates are as heated and futile as political ones.
- smileysteve 7y agoCauliflower! Coming to pizza, wings, pasta near you
- mcv 7y agoMy wife sneaks cauliflower into everything. Not just for less carbs; it's also a great way to sneak some extra vegetables into the kids.