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Ctrl Shift Face: A growing ‘deepfakes’ YouTube channel
- moftz 7y agoHow hard is it for news sites to include links to other websites other than their own? Like thanks for at least calling out the name of the channel but maybe make the name a hyperlink?
- mromanuk 7y agoAgreed that they should link to the channel explicitly, but if you click on one of those videos, they take you to the channel
- NullPrefix 7y agoCould we get the link changed to the actual YouTube channel? https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKpH0CKltc73e4wh0_pgL3g https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKpH0CKltc73e4wh0_pgL3g
- mromanuk 7y agoa few days ago, I was searching YouTube for a video on my TV and I found Bill Hader's impression of Arnold Schwarzenegger, which is impressive BTW, but I didn't realize what was going on with his face. At first I thought, wow, he's physiognomy is like Arnold, but something weird was going on. It took several trials until I realize that Arnold's face was superimposed on Bill's face. Spooky.
- anjc 7y agoSame here. Jim Carrey's face seems to morph into John Wayne's and James Dean's when he does impressions of them. I thought the same was happening with Bill. I'm aware of deepfakes but yet it took several watches with me going "what the heck is going on here" to notice the almost seamless transitions.
- tcmb 7y agoI had a similar experience with that same video. It was suggested to me in the YT recommendations (I had watched Bill Hader on Late Show with Stephen Colbert previously). I genuinely thought "wow, when he squints his eyes he really looks like Arnold". The transitions between Bill's own face and Arnold's were totally seemless to me. I finally realized what was going on when I saw the channel's name, and it spooked me that I had fallen for it.
- mromanuk 7y ago> I genuinely thought "wow, when he squints his eyes he really looks like Arnold". The transitions between Bill's own face and Arnold's were totally seemless to me. my experience, exactly
- MaupitiBlue 7y agoNot knocking it all, but much like CRT’s used to provide free anti-aliasing, it seems as though part of the blending is achieved by the compression artifacts.
- RappingBoomer 7y agoour benevolent media is worried about losing control of the propaganda machine..
- SketchySeaBeast 7y agoI really don't see a reason to celebrate our accelerating slide into solipsism.
- _red 7y agoI would imagine that in the future video encoders will start to automatically include a cryptographic signature every X frames, which then players will become aware of and show an indicator for "original / modified" content.
- kittiepryde 7y agoI'm thinking that we'd need an Originality Authority (like a CA), to act as the anchor. I assume anyone could just strip the cryptographic signature and then re-sign it with their own signature, and we'd need an authority to prevent that. Upload your content, request a key you can sign with, the OA checks against previously registered content in it's database for originality (I can only assume this would be as buggy as Youtube's algorithm is today).
- SkyBelow 7y agoIf everyday people are allowed to possess hardware that can sign images, it would only require someone feeding the fake images into the sensor that would be recording. Then, they would have a verified yet still fake image, which if anything would lead to more people falling for it. You could require that information about the recording also be included (gps, timestamp, etc.) but not only does that harm privacy, it means that when someone fakes it then people will trust the fake even more.
- cr0sh 7y agoI wonder if it'd be possible to "deepfake" the crypto sigs...?
- vokep 7y agoIt should be entirely unfeasible if its good crypto In order to deepfake it, a neural net would have to understand the crypto algo in such a way it could modify its deepfake input to collide with the original input's hash. Basically it would need to reverse the crypto to generate all frames that evaluate to a certain hash, and then find one that is mostly similar to the intended input. I don't think it will be realistic at all, if even theoretically possible.
- xwdv 7y agoI find that putting a deeply faked face of an enemy on a video where someone is brutally killed or executed to be strangely pleasing.
- knowuh 7y agoSomeone has to put a deepfake Zuckerberg video up on Facebook where he forecasts a terrible financial quarter. Maybe that would have some influence about how seriously they take takedown requests.
- mises 7y agoTo any one who reads this, don't actually do that. I wouldn't put it past Facebook to file a serious lawsuit against you. If it spread far enough, you could cause serious damage, and the SEC might even get involved.
- BlueTemplar 7y agoToo late ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zCDvOsdL9Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zCDvOsdL9Q
- cr0sh 7y agoIf I were going to do this, and I thought it would cause such a storm, I'd take a raspi wardriving and find an open router somewhere, and then upload it via TOR to liveleak or imgur or something like that using an old netbook sourced from Craigslist. Then wipe the devices used and sell 'em back on Craigslist, or drop 'em off at Goodwill or some recycling company. Plausibly deniable and all that.
- mises 7y agoSome one's been watching too much Mr. Robot... for what it's worth, don't bother with imgur over tor; they block uploads from those ips. You can, however, use the lunapic upload to imgur feature. Public library also might be an option, though I might reccomend i2p. Whether it's really "more secure", I dont know, but it doesn't have the same mainstream knowledge (or use by journalists), so three-letter guys would be slower to break it.
- knowuh 7y agoIf they did chase such a lawsuit, it would expose them as having serious double standards as per the recent Pelosi news item: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/29/technology/facebook-pelosi-video.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/29/technology/facebook-pelos... "Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Wednesday strongly rebuked Facebook, saying the company’s refusal to take down altered videos of her demonstrated how the social network contributed to misinformation"
- ice_nine 7y agoArticles like these make me eager for advances made in the 'authenticity' market. I recently learned of a company called Truepic[0] that specializes in photo and video verification. From the New Yorker article I read: "Truepic, a startup in San Diego, aims at producing a new kind of photograph—a verifiable digital original. Photographs taken with its smartphone app are uploaded to its servers, where they enter a kind of cryptographic lockbox. “We make sure the image hasn’t been manipulated in transit,” Jeffrey McGregor, the company’s C.E.O., explained. “We look at geolocation data, at the nearby cell towers, at the barometric-pressure sensor on the phone, and verify that everything matches. We run the photo through a bunch of computer-vision tests.” If the image passes muster, it’s entered into the Bitcoin and Ethereum blockchain. From then on, it can be shared on a special Web page that verifies its authenticity. Today, Truepic’s biggest clients are insurance companies, which allow policyholders to take verified photographs of their flooded basements or broken windshields. The software has also been used by N.G.O.s to document human-rights violations, and by workers at a construction company in Kazakhstan, who take “verified selfies” as a means of clocking in and out. “Our goal is to expand into industries where there’s a ‘trust gap,’ ” McGregor said: property rentals, online dating. Eventually, he hopes to integrate his software into camera components, so that “verification can begin the moment photons enter the lens.” [1] [0] https://truepic.com/ https://truepic.com/ [1] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/11/12/in-the-age-of-ai-is-seeing-still-believing https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/11/12/in-the-age-of-...
- saagarjha 7y agoHow does Truepic work? What's stopping me from spoofing sensor data on my client?
- atonalfreerider 7y agoThe point is to have an immutable source to compare against. If you suspect a video is faked, you can find the verified original video that was used to make the fake and compare against it.
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- atonalfreerider 7y agoHow about training a neutral net on fake videos to make it able to detect faked videos.
- brootstrap 7y agoeasier said than done my friend.
- zarmin 7y agowhattya mean? you just train it. it's a neural network. /s
- buildzr 7y agoWhat about training an adversarial neural net to make faked videos pass that neural net? See the problem?
- gambler 7y agoThe scare over this is overblown. 1. If the image quality is good and if you pause the video, the artifacts are pretty obvious. 2. Making meme videos is not a problem. You have to think about serious scenarios and ask yourself whether they were impossible before. In a lot of cases they were possible before without using AI. People edited interviews and staged recorded events since forever.
- jerf 7y agoMemesters are at the end of the tech hierarchy. They're using stuff that's cheap or free. That doesn't mean everybody is.
- llamataboot 7y agoWhat are some of the libraries out there to do this stuff with?
- coolspot 7y agohttps://github.com/deepfakes/faceswap https://github.com/deepfakes/faceswap
- sdfjgoiwerj 7y agoI think where this will shine, creative people who want to make movies but not enough money to cast more than maybe a handful of people.
- inostia 7y agoGenerally the best way I've found to detect deep fake video is to listen to the audio. When we have deepfake video _and_ deepfake audio we'll be in trouble. At least for moving images.
- wavefunction 7y agohttps://arxiv.org/pdf/1802.06006.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1802.06006.pdf These authors worked/work at baidu. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3k7mgn/baidu-deep-voice-software-can-clone-anyones-voice-with-just-37-seconds-of-audio https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3k7mgn/baidu-deep-voice-s...
- gforst 7y agoThis is multi-layered problem with no simple answers but many comments here touch on solutions, note there will not be 1 solution. Here are a couple of concepts I know are being worked on - Secure Data at the Source - Public Created - I have seen some demo's of phone apps that put video and pictures from phone directly on the blockchain with gps, time stamps etc.. Also have heard of dongles being added to phones Professionally Created at Device - have read about hardware getting processors to secure data directly on the blockchain at the device. Created at Editing Software - This could be connected to the identity of the original on the blockchain and then the edited version has notes with it and added to the blockchain as an edited version of the first. Security cameras for Customs and Border Patrol are getting blockchain capabilities added per this quote - " Factom (blockchain) has integrated their technology into two brands of cameras used by CBP at border locations to ensure data collected from these cameras is tamper proof" - http://www.activecyber.net/dhs-st-lays-out-a-broad-yet-innovative-portfolio-of-cybersecurity-research-in-this-years-showcase/ http://www.activecyber.net/dhs-st-lays-out-a-broad-yet-innov... IoT Devices - This micro processor can be added to an IoT (raspberry pi and the like) device and secure data the source - https://iot-sas.tech/ https://iot-sas.tech/ Professionals (media) and citizens can then have proof of what and when they created the video and potential a certification can be added in manor and tool for others to check the video is in fact the original. -- Identify Fakes -- Two articles from universities working on it https://jsis.washington.edu/news/deep-fakes-fake-news-and-what-comes-next/ https://jsis.washington.edu/news/deep-fakes-fake-news-and-wh... https://medium.com/jsk-class-of-2019/six-lessons-from-my-deepfake-research-at-stanford-1666594a8e50 https://medium.com/jsk-class-of-2019/six-lessons-from-my-dee... None of the above completely solves the issue but with implementing these and having standards the public can start to trust what they are watching is authentic.
- redisman 7y agoOne thing I don't see talked about much is the Uncanny Valley. No other technology has made it past it and looking at these they definitely have not either. Is there any reason to think that "deepfakes" will leapfrog it somehow?
- vokep 7y agoYes, these may be still in it, but they're climbing out. They're not leapfrogging it, they're just getting slowly better, inching further until they get past the valley.
- robotzero 7y agoI can't say that though... had these videos been sent to me and it was mentioned "Arnold lost weight" or "Brad Pitt reshot the scene after shedding some pounds" I'd have probably been less of a sceptic and in a quick pass this "fake news" could have got a pass from me or others. It's an interesting time and if you're doing cursory browsing of news bites for the day this may fly right past...
- redisman 7y agoThe Fight Club one I couldn't tell was I looking at Edward Norton or Brad Pitt the whole time. Definitely in the valley for me but I guess I was looking for it.
- copperx 7y agoThe problem is that a big percentage of people will not have the gut reaction that screams "there's something really unsettling about that person's face" when looking at a deepfake. Just take a sample of your close friends or relatives. How many of them can tell 48fps video apart from 24fps? How many people leave Smooth Motion turned on on their TV's without even noticing it? Hell, I remember people telling me that they could not tell the difference between Blu-ray and DVD when Blu-ray came out. Even in this forum, a lot of people have claimed that there's little difference between a 1080p monitor and a 4k monitor scaled at 200% (Retina). It's 2019. 1080p screens are completely unsuitable for looking at text, and yet many people can barely notice the difference. That's what we have to worry about. The tech is good enough to weaponize right now. And I see no way out of it, except with education. Perhaps high schools should eventually include a visual and aural literacy course as part of the curriculum.