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When the boomers in HR bend over backwards to get more "women in X" and more "minorities in X", then "young white dudes" are going to take the hint and make the

When the boomers in HR bend over backwards to get more "women in X" and more "minorities in X", then "young white dudes" are going to take the hint and make their own arrangements. That, and these kids (regardless of race or gender) are getting f-ed in general. I see so many places paying them less than what I was making in their position 20 years ago, and life didn't get any less expensive since then.

bradleyankrom 7y ago
> When the boomers in HR bend over backwards to get more "women in X" and more "minorities in X", then "young white dudes" are going to take the hint and make their own arrangements. I, for one, am glad this isn't the 50s anymore. I have a feeling I wouldn't very much enjoy working with "young white dudes" who have contempt for diversity in the workplace.
- seanmcdirmid 7y ago
  Diversity is fine. What people are nervous about is if the meritocracy is destroyed to get it. Of course, it doesn’t have to be that way (we can have both diversity and a meritocracy), but bad apples could go about it the wrong way (sacrificing one or the other), and those orgs/companies/careers should probably be avoided as unsustainable.
- mieseratte 7y ago
  I've worked at places with surprising (for the South-East amounts of diversity). I liked it, and I've seen some of the jackass discrimination that goes on, things like trying to run out one of best engineers because she had a complicated pregnancy. I'm hardly going around smacking my female colleagues on the ass and telling 'em I like my coffee black. When I see a company that makes a point of flaunting how diverse they are, I assume that place is full of the social justice crowd and is probably being run on emotion instead of sound business practice. In my experience, those people and places suck to work with. At best I'm going to end up hearing a bunch of ideological bullshit on a day-to-day, which I don't at all care for at work, and now I have to worry that I'm going to experience discrimination because folks have come up with some weird notion that my pale skin and scrotum means my life is just all kinds of easy and that other folks should have access to programs or a "leg up" that I am not eligible for.
- salawat 7y ago
  Oh please. Spare the virtue signaling. There is nothing noble in pushing for equality of outcome. No problem of lack of diversity will be solved without dragging down or discriminating against some demographic of society without a full commitment to equality of opportunity. The myopia involved with being suckered into accepting discrimination against one group to the benefit of another being an acceptable approach demonstrates a lack of commitment to understanding the forces actually at work in the world. Diversity or lack thereof isn't the problem. Equivalent access to the foundational necessities that facilitate successful integration into, and the ability to further develop and meaningfully contribute to the ends of, society's perpetuation and advancement with minimal accidental systemic compulsion is the problem. Diversity is just the "bread and circuses" perversion that slows down any meaningful attempt at the former due to some mistaken impression that undoing an injustice must involve a new injustice being committed. Two wrongs a right does not make.
  - wuschb 7y ago
    Is it a means to an end though? I believe diversity should NOT be measured in the amount of a minority succeeding, but when the measure of the poor is equal across all groups. When Poor black population = poor white population. Diversity problem solved. Before then, work to change systemic problems that cause more poor blacks than whites.
colordrops 7y ago
I'm not that young of a brownish white male, but just got word through a side channel that I was rejected for a position because I'm a "white dude". Really fucking lame.
- turk73 7y ago
  At my current company, there are no white guys in middle management. Zero. Let that sink in.
  - codehalo 7y ago
    That's because the salaries are most likely not what a white guy is willing to accept.
jstewartmobile 7y ago
And for the downvoters: sorry, but discrimination is discrimination. Avocado toast boy never kept a woman under his thumb or made people use a different water fountain. Why should he be penalized for what someone else's grandparents did?
- Dylan16807 7y ago
  "Still has a higher chance of being hired, overall" is not being penalized.
  - jstewartmobile 7y ago
    Most state hiring boards (schools, colleges, administrators, etc) and federal contractors add points to minority, female, and veteran candidates--essentially a deduct from white male non-veterans. That they are still winning with a handicap doesn't change the fact that they are being penalized.
    - Dylan16807 7y ago
      The veteran one is the only one deliberately biasing things away from neutral. And shouldn't neutral total bias be the goal? Fighting bias with bias is not as good as fixing root causes, but it works in more places.
      - jstewartmobile 7y ago
        Why not just do "blind auditions" like some of the orchestras? Far less subjective compared to adding points when you have no idea what a person's back-story is.
        Dylan16807 7y ago
        Sure, go for it. Lots of subjective hiring practices are terrible.
      - zimablue 7y ago
joshthecynic 7y ago
Go back to /pol/, moron.

bradleyankrom 7y ago

> When the boomers in HR bend over backwards to get more "women in X" and more "minorities in X", then "young white dudes" are going to take the hint and make their own arrangements. I, for one, am glad this isn't the 50s anymore. I have a feeling I wouldn't very much enjoy working with "young white dudes" who have contempt for diversity in the workplace.

seanmcdirmid 7y ago
Diversity is fine. What people are nervous about is if the meritocracy is destroyed to get it. Of course, it doesn’t have to be that way (we can have both diversity and a meritocracy), but bad apples could go about it the wrong way (sacrificing one or the other), and those orgs/companies/careers should probably be avoided as unsustainable.
mieseratte 7y ago
I've worked at places with surprising (for the South-East amounts of diversity). I liked it, and I've seen some of the jackass discrimination that goes on, things like trying to run out one of best engineers because she had a complicated pregnancy. I'm hardly going around smacking my female colleagues on the ass and telling 'em I like my coffee black. When I see a company that makes a point of flaunting how diverse they are, I assume that place is full of the social justice crowd and is probably being run on emotion instead of sound business practice. In my experience, those people and places suck to work with. At best I'm going to end up hearing a bunch of ideological bullshit on a day-to-day, which I don't at all care for at work, and now I have to worry that I'm going to experience discrimination because folks have come up with some weird notion that my pale skin and scrotum means my life is just all kinds of easy and that other folks should have access to programs or a "leg up" that I am not eligible for.
salawat 7y ago
Oh please. Spare the virtue signaling. There is nothing noble in pushing for equality of outcome. No problem of lack of diversity will be solved without dragging down or discriminating against some demographic of society without a full commitment to equality of opportunity. The myopia involved with being suckered into accepting discrimination against one group to the benefit of another being an acceptable approach demonstrates a lack of commitment to understanding the forces actually at work in the world. Diversity or lack thereof isn't the problem. Equivalent access to the foundational necessities that facilitate successful integration into, and the ability to further develop and meaningfully contribute to the ends of, society's perpetuation and advancement with minimal accidental systemic compulsion is the problem. Diversity is just the "bread and circuses" perversion that slows down any meaningful attempt at the former due to some mistaken impression that undoing an injustice must involve a new injustice being committed. Two wrongs a right does not make.
- wuschb 7y ago
  Is it a means to an end though? I believe diversity should NOT be measured in the amount of a minority succeeding, but when the measure of the poor is equal across all groups. When Poor black population = poor white population. Diversity problem solved. Before then, work to change systemic problems that cause more poor blacks than whites.

colordrops 7y ago

I'm not that young of a brownish white male, but just got word through a side channel that I was rejected for a position because I'm a "white dude". Really fucking lame.

turk73 7y ago
At my current company, there are no white guys in middle management. Zero. Let that sink in.
- codehalo 7y ago
  That's because the salaries are most likely not what a white guy is willing to accept.

jstewartmobile 7y ago

And for the downvoters: sorry, but discrimination is discrimination. Avocado toast boy never kept a woman under his thumb or made people use a different water fountain. Why should he be penalized for what someone else's grandparents did?

Dylan16807 7y ago
"Still has a higher chance of being hired, overall" is not being penalized.
- jstewartmobile 7y ago
  Most state hiring boards (schools, colleges, administrators, etc) and federal contractors add points to minority, female, and veteran candidates--essentially a deduct from white male non-veterans. That they are still winning with a handicap doesn't change the fact that they are being penalized.
  - Dylan16807 7y ago
    The veteran one is the only one deliberately biasing things away from neutral. And shouldn't neutral total bias be the goal? Fighting bias with bias is not as good as fixing root causes, but it works in more places.
    - jstewartmobile 7y ago
      Why not just do "blind auditions" like some of the orchestras? Far less subjective compared to adding points when you have no idea what a person's back-story is.
      - Dylan16807 7y ago
        Sure, go for it. Lots of subjective hiring practices are terrible.
    - zimablue 7y ago

joshthecynic 7y ago

Go back to /pol/, moron.